Rafa's contract and pay off terms

[Carra_is_legend]

RRT, if you are supporting the huge pay off (and "loyalty" payments) in football, come off it mate.

 

They are all rich bastards anyway and the whole thing fucking stinks. Be shit in your job, get sacked and get paid millions. Fuck off. If I'm shit at my job, I would expect a big FUCK ALL - not thousands or millions.

 

Same goes for loyalty payments. So what if a player stayed for 4 or 5 years? Its not as if he played for fucking free is it? Get paid £4m a year for 5 years and then loyalty payments on top? Fuck off.

 

The whole thing stinks but it is how it is now so I won't begrudge Rafa if he gets paid £15m or whatever it says on his contract. It was totally fucking wrong to give him that contract in the first place.

[redrosetints]

£100.

 

Why are you sure when you have absolutely no knowledge of the circumstances?

 

And I've just asked my manager and he said I'd get fuck all.

 

What Stevie G rumour is that then? Jesus, you're a sensitive soul aren't you?

 

The steive G rumour that Rafa rubbed his fingers to him. you know the absolute horeshit rumour that were supposed to ensure isnt encourgaged anymore ?

 

You'd get paid up to the level of your contract. If that says before 3 moths or 2 years you get nothing, then so be it.

 

in terms of what I know nothing about, i cant be sacked for performance issues, only made redundant. I could be sacked for gross misconduct though, where Id be entitled to nothing.

 

However, the saliant point is that performance related rfailure is not gross misconduct.

[Ted]

Apparently they can't. Regarding sacking, it all depends on what is written in the contract. That's why these guys have lawyers. Rafa's lawyers seem to have earned their money.

 

I'm actually very good at my job.

[Hermes]

How do you work that out? I thought the accounts showed a 31m profit on player trading in the last 2 years, no?

 

As I said, I don't think that would be relevant in a tribunal unless making a profit on players was an objective in the contract. But including signing Keane, there has been about £65m spent and about £60m recouped according to this (players bought/sold) since that day.

 

 

++ / LFChistory.net -- Past Present Future

[Ted]

The steive G rumour that Rafa rubbed his fingers to him. you know the absolute horeshit rumour that were supposed to ensure isnt encourgaged anymore ?

 

You'd get paid up to the level of your contract. If that says before 3 moths or 2 years you get nothing, then so be it.

 

in terms of what I know nothing about, i cant be sacked for performance issues, only made redundant. I could be sacked for gross misconduct though, where Id be entitled to nothing.

 

However, the saliant point is that performance related rfailure is not gross misconduct.

 

Rumour. *sniggers*

 

I didn't say it was gross misconduct did I? His performance has been shite, though and managers have been sacked for less than he's survived.

 

In terms of what you know nothing about, you DON'T know anything as, unless you happen to be the 4 foot woman with a bowl head who sacked me eight years ago; you're in no position to tell me what I did and didn't get.

[redrosetints]

RRT, if you are supporting the huge pay off (and "loyalty" payments) in football, come off it mate.

 

They are all rich bastards anyway and the whole thing fucking stinks. Be shit in your job, get sacked and get paid millions. Fuck off. If I'm shit at my job, I would expect a big FUCK ALL - not thousands or millions.

 

Same goes for loyalty payments. So what if a player stayed for 4 or 5 years? Its not as if he played for fucking free is it? Get paid £4m a year for 5 years and then loyalty payments on top? Fuck off.

 

The whole thing stinks but it is how it is now so I won't begrudge Rafa if he gets paid £15m or whatever it says on his contract. It was totally fucking wrong to give him that contract in the first place.

 

No your right, Im not really suporting them. Im simply saying its the way it works for every manager, good or bad and that the denial of the law against the worker, whatever they do, is something that any good socialist shoudnt support.

 

its how unions came about, and while Im sure the Martyrs from tollpuddle didnt envisage their struggle applyig to someone earnign 4m a year, the principle is the same.

 

Therefore Hermes OP is just another whinge of many, against Rafa, implying he's somehow cheating us, he's not, he's taking, if he goes, what he's owed.

[Ted]

Tom your just a Moron, but name calling aside, its the law, the law protects everyone. If you were kicked out of work and not bpaid any compensation, you'd be the biggest drama queen in the world about it, rightly.

 

When you take on a job, its relevant to your skills and experience, therefore while one may fail, thats doesnt mean they should nor be copensated. Wether that be an IT worker, who fails to deliver a project on time a saleman who doenst meet targets or a footie manager.

 

This protects the employee. You cant distinguish between the less well paid on those on higher earnings, as its the thin end of the wedge.

 

Look at the Vauxhall workers at Ellesmore port or teh Dockers in the 90's.

 

Wibbling about it in your tango stylee, doesnt change the law or it fairness. if Juve did come in theyd have to pay compo to get him out of it, it cuts both ways.

 

If McDonalds went in for a grill guy from Burger King would they pay them compo?

[redrosetints]

Rumour. *sniggers*

 

 

 

So Gerrard did get a 16yr old preggers then ? i heard he rubbed his fingers together and said, 'I cant afford to divorce Alex.' See Ted, that kind of horeshit.

 

I didn't say it was gross misconduct did I? His performance has been shite, though and managers have been sacked for less than he's survived..

 

I agree, managers have been sacked for far less, but that has nothig to do with their severence payments does it ?

 

In terms of what you know nothing about, you DON'T know anything as, unless you happen to be the 4 foot woman with a bowl head who sacked me eight years ago; you're in no position to tell me what I did and didn't get.

 

but i can tell you that Id guess you werent at the company 6 years though ?

[zigackly]

I doubt any manager would sign a contract with a performance clause in it.

[Hermes]

I doubt any manager would sign a contract with a performance clause in it.

 

Are you serious? I doubt if there are any that haven't.

[Carra_is_legend]

against Rafa, implying he's somehow cheating us, he's not, he's taking, if he goes, what he's owed.

 

Rafa used the situation to get what he wants - whether you call this as "cheating" or not, I don't know. But, he got what he wanted and I still cannot believe the two cunts offered him that.

 

Still, being a contractor myself, I wouldn't begrudge him. End of the day, you negotiate your contract and it is up to you on how well you do it.

 

But then, please don't compare football with normal day to day jobs, in terms of compensation. They are different by country miles. In fact, they are two worlds apart.

[Maldini]

May have been asked before but I don't remember seeing it. Were there no perfomance related objectives in this contract?

 

If there were, surely finishing 7th wasn't one of them. Is this pay off payable no matter how badly the team performs?

 

Nobody knows what is in the contract. Anybody who says they do is either speculatinr lying.

 

As I said, I don't think that would be relevant in a tribunal unless making a profit on players was an objective in the contract. But including signing Keane, there has been about £65m spent and about £60m recouped according to this (players bought/sold) since that day.

 

 

++ / LFChistory.net -- Past Present Future

 

Without wishing to denigrate the site the club's accounts are a more reliable source than lfchistory.net.

[Carra_is_legend]

but i can tell you that Id guess you werent at the company 6 years though ?

 

Honest question, if you are in the same job for 6 years, £150k/year, and if you failed in the 6th year and get sacked, what sort of compensation do you think you should get paid?

[Ted]

So Gerrard did get a 16yr old preggers then ? i heard he rubbed his fingers together and said, 'I cant afford to divorce Alex.' See Ted, that kind of horeshit.

 

Yeah, I see. Difference is; that's not true.

 

 

I agree, managers have been sacked for far less, but that has nothig to do with their severence payments does it ?

 

In terms of what you know nothing about, you DON'T know anything as, unless you happen to be the 4 foot woman with a bowl head who sacked me eight years ago; you're in no position to tell me what I did and didn't get.

 

but i can tell you that Id guess you werent at the company 6 years though ?

 

No, I wasn't. But I've been in this employment almost eight years and it won't make a shitbin of difference as I'll get zilch whether I'm sacked for not pulling my weight or killing ten people.

[reder]

I doubt any manager would sign a contract with a performance clause in it.

 

I think not. I presume you are thinking about the negative side of things there. Im sure every football managers contract contains performance related bonus clauses in the positive sense.

[Ted]

Jesus Christ, RRT. You really fucked that quote thing up.

[The Chef]

The contract was rejected 5 times before he signed it.

Rafa's lawyers certainly earned there money that day.....but make no mistakes, Rafa called the shots, on the terms and conditions.

 

'To be payed 16m within 24 hrs of being sacked'.C'ant believed those concerned agreed to that......CLULESS CUNTS.

 

This term alone makes him UNSACKABLE

[reder]

Honest question, if you are in the same job for 6 years, £150k/year, and if you failed in the 6th year and get sacked, what sort of compensation do you think you should get paid?

 

Football management is a completely different kettle of fish, failure as a manager is the norm. In the real world, you could destroy your career as that failure will hang over you wherever you go, esp. if the position was senior or public.

[Carra_is_legend]

'To be payed 16m within 24 hrs of being sacked'.C'ant believed those concerned agreed to that......CLULESS CUNTS.

 

That is totally un fucking believable. Many on here argued Rafa is only asking for a similar contract to Wenger/Ferguson (control, pay) but I bet they don't have a similar clause.

[Frankenhooker]

There is a huge difference between being 'sacked' and being made redundant. When you're sacked it's usually because your performance hasn't been up to scratch or something similar. When you're made redundant, it's the position that's being let go as it's not financially viable to employ someone to do your job.

 

Rafa can't be made redundant as there would still be a position that would need filling.

 

I'm shocked that it seems Benitez's contract didn't include some sort of performance clause. If it did have one the club would of been within their rights to let him go with some sort of nominal, pre-determined severance package.

[Carra_is_legend]

Football management is a completely different kettle of fish, failure as a manager is the norm. In the real world, you could destroy your career as that failure will hang over you wherever you go, esp. if the position was senior or public.

 

Agreed. As I said above, football is worlds apart from normal day to day jobs.

 

I just want to know RRT's view on it as he seems to think getting a compensation for getting sacked is normal for everyone.

[Carra_is_legend]

Rafa can't be made redundant as there would still be a position that would need filling.

 

Can we not call the new position as "Football Consultant"?

 

Like Iain Dowie.

[Ted]

That is totally un fucking believable. Many on here argued Rafa is only asking for a similar contract to Wenger/Ferguson (control, pay) but I bet they don't have a similar clause.

 

Apparently its a ploy to bleed the Yanks dry.

[redrosetints]

As I said, I don't think that would be relevant in a tribunal unless making a profit on players was an objective in the contract. But including signing Keane, there has been about £65m spent and about £60m recouped according to this (players bought/sold) since that day.

 

 

++ / LFChistory.net -- Past Present Future

 

Althought the Club accounts say we've made a 20m surplus in player trading, whilst Tony Barret and Oliver Kay at the times suggest weve made a million.

 

What we dont know is the structure of the purchases, how much is paid upfront. For all we know, Madrid gave us 30m for Alonso and Bob up front, with 5m on incentives, whilst we paid down 5m to Roma and nothing to Pompie due to them owing us 10m on Crouch and Pennants loan.

 

So we'd be 25m up in that year, money pocketed by the owners if only to pay off the debt.

 

We'd still be due the other monies, but over th course of the contracts.

[Sangria]

The contract was rejected 5 times before he signed it.

Rafa's lawyers certainly earned there money that day.....but make no mistakes, Rafa called the shots, on the terms and conditions.

 

'To be payed 16m within 24 hrs of being sacked'.C'ant believed those concerned agreed to that......CLULESS CUNTS.

 

This term alone makes him UNSACKABLE

 

Shocking no doubt about it.

 

Not only should Rafa go as it has reached the end of the road but the ones involved in that contract should be gone with him.