"Justice for the 96"

[Wor Horse]

Shoot me down if you wish, call me stupid, but am I alone in thinking this should be incorporated into more matches then it is?

 

Obviously it's on banners and that but the song could get an airing during EVERY game, all year round, like after YNWA at the end or something?

 

They won't forget if we don't let them.

 

I'm not fucking the support off either, we're the best fans in the world, it's just an idea.

 

N.B: If i've somehow dropped a bollock with this and it's totally out of the question, just delete it.

 

YNWA // JFT96.

[ElSeano]

Im with you, we've built up loads of momentum and got more coverage then we've ever had. We need to keep it going...banners, chants the lot.

[mastybhoy]

forgive my ignorance, but at yesterdays service there was a song called "tragedy" i think,does that get played before games?

[Lucky Pierre]

That's the first time I've heard "Tragedy", it doesn't get played before games.

On the JFT 96 chants, it could get a few rounds at every game, but I think if we save it for certain games, it will be more effective, as it will be louder and more feeling could go into it. It definitely needs to be aired more than it is now, especially now that Brown knows we're angry at him.

[JohnnyH]

It certainly should be aired more, but I also think we should be careful not to make it "just another chant" that is heard 10 times at every game, and in the pub, etc. This chant has massive meaning and significance and should be used when appropriate to make the most impact. I.e. Big games against the Top 4 that will be prime viewing around the world, etc.

[Guest Ulysses Everett McGill]

That's the first time I've heard "Tragedy", it doesn't get played before games.

On the JFT 96 chants, it could get a few rounds at every game, but I think if we save it for certain games, it will be more effective, as it will be louder and more feeling could go into it. It definitely needs to be aired more than it is now, especially now that Brown knows we're angry at him.

 

 

It's been sang every year for the past few years by Lee Roy James

 

I actually think it's a bit crap, but there you go

 

Also thought it was a bit off that Neal McHale got shoved out by Gerry Marsden just because the cameras were there

 

Sorry if it's going against the majority and without wanting to offend anyone, but I was more than slightly dissapointed by the service yesterday.

 

I thought it was supposed to be a memorial, not a day out, sadly, it seems like I was in the minority.

 

We'll see how many turn up next year

 

I could go on, but I fear that it won't come across as I intend

[JohnnyH]

 

I could go on, but I fear that it won't come across as I intend

 

I know exactly what you're saying. I was there last year, but couldn't be there this year. Last year was the only time I've even been and was a respectful and eye opening event in the way a memorial should be. This year seemed to be a bit more of a "show". I didn't like how Marsden acted, nor the big cheering for the players and some other chants. I suppose it was always going to be like that because of the massive press coverage. So it's taking the good with the bad maybe. I would imagine next year it'll be back to a few thousand again. Certainly with no politicians.

 

I'm not from Liverpool and know no one who died, although I've met people who were there and know people who died, so maybe I'm completely missing the point. Just my opinion anyway and not meant to upset or offend anyone.

 

JFT96

[Wor Horse]

I know what you're saying about 'not turning it into just another chant'

 

Hence the idea of singing it after YNWA at the end, or someone could start at 3:06 during 3 o clock KO's.

[Tom R]

George has played Tragedy loads of times etc.

 

It's absolutely fucking awful, but the sentiment is there and that's the main thing.

[Chocoholic]

That Tragedy song does sound awful, to be honest.

 

It sounds forced and contrived to get the appropriate words in, but just doesn't hang together properly. No melody or harmony, or anything to entice anyone to sing it. The right intentions and emotions are there, as mentioned, though

[Newport]

I've seen "Tragedy" named as the "Hillsborough Anthem", but this must be unofficial right?

 

The idea of chanting "Justice for the 96" at 3.06 is the best suggestion so far imo. It has to be at the same time every time or else it will be "just another chant" like someone said earlier. Or maybe there should be a banner counting the days without justice at rolled out at every game? Getting the media (except for the unmentionable) on board for a real campaign would be crucial as well.

[Lucky Pierre]

I've seen "Tragedy" named as the "Hillsborough Anthem", but this must be unofficial right?

 

The idea of chanting "Justice for the 96" at 3.06 is the best suggestion so far imo. It has to be at the same time every time or else it will be "just another chant" like someone said earlier. Or maybe there should be a banner counting the days without justice at rolled out at every game? Getting the media (except for the unmentionable) on board for a real campaign would be crucial as well.

Liking that idea. It was either Hicks or the Mayor that said the number of days that had passed yesterday, and for a mere number, it sure hit me hard.

[Acid]

Yea it was around 7000, and if you got the set out numbers already cut out and maybe backed with velcro, it would be very easy to make a decent banner thats easily changed for each match.

[Wor Horse]

7301 it is now

[Lucky Pierre]

7301 it is now

+ 5 leap years = 7306

[kopitegaz]

That Tragedy song does sound awful' date=' to be honest.

 

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I seem to remember he wrote it himself and is neither a red or (to the best of my knowledge) a football fan. Just someone who was moved by it all, to do something. As you and Tom have said, the sentiment is there and thats the main thing.

[Fugitive]

It's been sang every year for the past few years by Lee Roy James

 

I actually think it's a bit crap, but there you go

 

Also thought it was a bit off that Neal McHale got shoved out by Gerry Marsden just because the cameras were there

 

Sorry if it's going against the majority and without wanting to offend anyone, but I was more than slightly dissapointed by the service yesterday.

 

I thought it was supposed to be a memorial, not a day out, sadly, it seems like I was in the minority.

 

We'll see how many turn up next year

 

I could go on, but I fear that it won't come across as I intend

 

I know where you're coming from. It was a really charged atmosphere and it was always going to be different to previous years due to it being televised on all the news channels.

 

I hope there are similar numbers at next years memorial as we should be remembering the 96 every year with same numbers that were present yesterday.

 

I fully agree with you when you say it is supposed to be a memorial and yesterday had a different feeling about it.

 

Some parts of yesterdays service was top notch and a lovely way of remembering those we have lost but there was parts that I was not comfortable with.

[lfc123]

YouTube - "Justice for the 96" - Culture Secretary Andy Burnham booed

[Section_31]

The more you shout these things, the less people listen. Best to keep it for when it's likely to count.

[Christianlfc]

Personally i believe that Liverpool should have the number 96 stictched onto all shirts, for the rest of time. Just some form of gesture maybe on the sleeve in a slightly different colour of red saying 96.

 

If the club openly show some form of rememberance its impossible for people to forget and new fans not to ask the question what the number 96 means.

[23_Carra_Gold]

Personally i believe that Liverpool should have the number 96 stictched onto all shirts, for the rest of time. Just some form of gesture maybe on the sleeve in a slightly different colour of red saying 96.

 

If the club openly show some form of rememberance its impossible for people to forget and new fans not to ask the question what the number 96 means.

 

The flame on the crest is an open form of remembrance.

 

Also in relation to chants yesterday, I can only remember the crowd singing "We Love You Liverpool We Do" after Trevor Hicks said they did us proud against Chelsea. I for one thought it was a show of appreciation for the players for the night before to applaud so rapturously and when you have 12,000 football fans attempting to convey emotion to their team the best way to that is through song. I was moved by the show of unity at that time.

[ratcatcher]

Why do some people have to find fault or negative with everything we do?

 

Honestly, take the moment for what it was. The Memorial was to celebrate the lives however short they may have been for the 96 and also remember them and the tragic event of that day. It was also a day to show the powers that be that we havent forgotten, will never forget and still want justice.

 

Let's not consume ourselves with minutia of which parts we liked, which parts we didnt. Sieze the moment to speak with one voice on one subject that matters, the 96.

[NickConklin]

It's been sang every year for the past few years by Lee Roy James

 

I actually think it's a bit crap, but there you go

 

Also thought it was a bit off that Neal McHale got shoved out by Gerry Marsden just because the cameras were there

 

Sorry if it's going against the majority and without wanting to offend anyone, but I was more than slightly dissapointed by the service yesterday.

 

I thought it was supposed to be a memorial, not a day out, sadly, it seems like I was in the minority.

 

We'll see how many turn up next year

 

I could go on, but I fear that it won't come across as I intend

 

I had felt this but didnt if im honest have the stones to post it. My feeling was there were people there who thought they were on a day out, i felt uneasy when peoples names were being sung, not that I disagree with people singing Kennys name I just didnt feel yesterday was the right time to do so.

Edited April 16, 2009 by NickConklin
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[Lucky Pierre]

I had felt this but didnt if im honest have the stones to post it. My feeling was there were people there who thought they were on a day out, i felt uneasy when peoples names were being sung, not that I disagree with people singing Kennys name I just didnt feel yesterday was the right time to do so.

It wasn't just sung as an ex-player or manager though. It was sung as the great man who did everything in his power to help the families and survivors.

[Fink]

Personally, I think for gravitas it should only be used when a point needs making more firmly than usual. It could become diluted by overuse and also start off tit for tat which no-one wants.