Car bomb at the women’s hospital

[Jordy Brouwer]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

My point being that whilst people were of course speculating (completely normal with things like this) SD just wanted to be right and that's all he was arsed about. Personally I suggested maybe it might be an anti-abortion nutter but was really hoping it was a car malfunction. 

Understandable when he's getting stick for his speculation, no?

 

I don't get why speculating its "anti-vaxers" whatever that means is okay but speculating its Muslims isn't. In my view no speculations in those early pages were covering themselves in glory. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Happened at 10:59 according to that video. Nice to see that the people who said it happened at 11 o'clock were wrong. 

In fairness, that really doesn't disprove the theory that it was intended to go off at 11.00: I think one thing we can all agree on is that this attack didn't go to plan.

[Captain Turdseye]

Rubber dinghy rapids, bro. 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Understandable when he's getting stick for his speculation, no?

 

I don't get why speculating its "anti-vaxers" whatever that means is okay but speculating its Muslims isn't. In my view no speculations in those early pages were covering themselves in glory. 

Personally I didn't have a problem with his speculation. Let's face it, we probably all immediately thought 'Islamists' so I have no problem with that part whatsoever. It was the straight in snide point scoring and accusing someone of trolling for just suggesting anti-vaxxers. 

 

EDIT: I've been guilty of similar so I'm not saying it's exclusive to SD. 

[No2]

1 hour ago, Baresi said:

Has the hallmarks of a passenger that couldn't take listening to the driver a second longer.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

In fairness, that really doesn't disprove the theory that it was intended to go off at 11.00: I think one thing we can all agree on is that this attack didn't go to plan.

Thank fuck. 

[Jordy Brouwer]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

One person said he suspected it.

 

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Bjornebye

 

"A hospital who are doing vaccination clinics, not far from Sefton Park where anti-vaxxers have been demonstrating today being targeted.... I think wondering if it's anti-vaxxers going too far is a fair thing to ask?" 

 

 

 

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Nelly-Torres

 

Ooh, confirmed that 1 dead and 1 injured and that Counter Terrorism will handle investigation going forward. 

 

Bet it's the anti-vax loons. 

 

 

 

 

Can we not re-write history in real time please? 

[Jordy Brouwer]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Personally I didn't have a problem with his speculation. Let's face it, we probably all immediately thought 'Islamists' so I have no problem with that part whatsoever. It was the straight in snide point scoring and accusing someone of trolling for just suggesting anti-vaxxers. 

If you scold someone for thinking it might be Muslims you open yourself up to being told "I told you so" if it is Muslims. 

 

I bet if it had been "anti-vaxers" there would have been no point scoring. Right?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

In fairness, that really doesn't disprove the theory that it was intended to go off at 11.00: I think one thing we can all agree on is that this attack didn't go to plan.

I was being sarcastic. 

 

Either way, it didn't "go off" at 11. Whoever said it did is wrong. That'll do for me. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

 

 

 

Can we not re-write history in real time please? 

Yeah in context that was me explaining why Nelly might have suspected anti-vaxxers. let's not try and re-write history. I suggested anti-abortioners. 

[Arniepie]

It doesn't bear thinking about if he would have made it into that hospital. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Jordy Brouwer said:

If you scold someone for thinking it might be Muslims you open yourself up to being told "I told you so" if it is Muslims. 

 

I bet if it had been "anti-vaxers" there would have been no point scoring. Right?

Is that aimed at me? Pretty sure I haven't done that here. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

3 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

 

 

 

Can we not re-write history in real time please? 

A bet is a speculative selection without knowing the final outcome. 

[Dr Nowt]

So who do we think is winning in the daily cock-waving Olympics?

 

At the moment we have Stronts heroically being righter than everyone else, but everyone else being much more impressively moral citizens, by caring more about the real issue at hand than he does.

 

Its almost impossible to separate who’s windmilling is the more triumphant. As Jim Watt would say, it just depends on what you’re giving points for. A real pick ‘em fight.

[Jordy Brouwer]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Yeah in context that was me explaining why Nelly might have suspected anti-vaxxers. let's not try and re-write history. I suggested anti-abortioners. 

Yes that's much better. Anyway I'm done with this point but it amazes me how some kinds of identitarianism are seen as righteous and some not. 

 

For me speculating in the early stages that its your bogeymen is the same as the other guy speculating its his bogeymen. 

 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

It doesn't bear thinking about if he would have made it into that hospital. 

It’s happened in Iraq and Afghanistan previously.  Tactics making their way over here. 

[Strontium]

14 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Decent people wait for facts before jumping in to "round up the usual suspects".

 

It's not what I fucking wrote, is it? I said there were more obvious suspects than anti-vaxxers. Which there were. It's a simple application of probability. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Understandable when he's getting stick for his speculation, no?

 

I don't get why speculating its "anti-vaxers" whatever that means is okay but speculating its Muslims isn't. In my view no speculations in those early pages were covering themselves in glory. 

My main problem (apart from the obvious one that all baseless speculation is useless, at best) is that we live in a country that's lousy with racism: the "blame the Muzzies" knee-jerk is dangerous and leads to innocent people being attacked and abused in the real world. It's bad enough seeing that response where we most expect it - from racist propagandists in the right-wing media - but it's almost worse to see supposedly intelligent liberals dressing it up as something rational and correct.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Can we not re-write history in real time please? 

Hahaha.

 

OK. Two people. (Sorry, Stig, I forgot about you. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.)

[Arniepie]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

It’s happened in Iraq and Afghanistan previously.  Tactics making their way over here. 

Wasnt that the group of absolute looms who are even more extreme than the Taliban?

 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Yes that's much better. Anyway I'm done with this point but it amazes me how some kinds of identitarianism are seen as righteous and some not. 

 

For me speculating in the early stages that its your bogeymen is the same as the other guy speculating its his bogeymen. 

 

 

Like I've said, I've got no problem with his initial suspicion. It was this I didn't like:

 

In before an apologist for Islamist extremism tries to deflect away from the obvious suspects.

 

oh wait

[Rico1304]

Just now, Arniepie said:

Wasnt that the group of absolute looms who are even more extreme than the Taliban?

 

Not sure, but anyone willing to blowing up a hospital definitely qualifies as a loon.  

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

So who do we think is winning in the daily cock-waving Olympics?

 

At the moment we have Stronts heroically being righter than everyone else, but everyone else being much more impressively moral citizens, by caring more about the real issue at hand than he does.

 

Its almost impossible to separate who’s windmilling is the more triumphant. As Jim Watt would say, it just depends on what you’re giving points for. A real pick ‘em fight.

To be fair I congratulated him on his victory. 

[Harry Squatter]

9 minutes ago, No2 said:

Has the hallmarks of a passenger that couldn't take listening to the driver a second longer.

Or blew himself up because he couldn't take listening to that Radio station.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Not sure, but anyone willing to blowing up a hospital definitely qualifies as a loon.  

All over the world, Generals are wincing at this.