Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

Is it true that Corbyn wants to scrap tax relief on drug research? That is absolutely deranged.

So is slaughtering children on a beach.

[Strontium]

So is slaughtering children on a beach.

 

Is Corbyn proposing that too? How chilling.

[King Emlyn]

Thing is, I don't think a lot of the stuff being put forward is especially left wing. I think most people would like the idea of a living wage or nationalised transport.

 

Labour's problem IMO is one of organisation, media management (any kind of media management, say what you want about the Tories but they have tremendous message discipline, they get the same points across again and again).

 

Their leaders are also poor. People come out with all sorts of reasons about why they lost the last election but I'd bet you anything if Cameron had been Labour leader and Ed Miliband had been Tory, Labour would have won.

 

Maybe, maybe not, I'm doubtful myself as Miliband was very, very shite but my point is that Labour need a very strong charismatic leader in order to overcome the massive starting disadvantage they have , all this changing the game fantasy whilst no doubt well intentioned is fiddling while Rome burns for my money, I've been listening to this changing the game shite since Foot was rocking a donkey jacket, I'm old, it's lost on me I'm afraid.

 

Edit: Sorry misread your post, yeah there's a good chance of that

[dennis tooth]

Is it true that Corbyn wants to scrap tax relief on drug research? That is absolutely deranged.

A tad simplistic. We need stop subsidising Pfizer and smithkliens of this world.

[Strontium]

A tad simplistic. We need stop subsidising Pfizer and smithkliens of this world.

 

We do? Did we run out of diseases that need curing or something?

[dennis tooth]

Then they better find someone and quickly, this electorate will not wear a perceived left wing government, all this changing the game yarbles is exactly that, Labour needs to build on the strength and remedy the weaknesses of the Blair years, the only alternative is Tory rule.

But that's like saying kill yeself to protect from murderers.

What's the point of being in charge of your doing the Tories work for them?

The problem when most labour mps are voting for austerity and disability allowance is clear and the battle is on to rid the party of these m16 agents blocking democracy enabling them or supporting them will only make it messy.

[ZonkoVille77]

2 sides to this argument. We need the drug companies to provide cures for illnesses. Of course we do. But we also need them to stop pushing shit that's really not needed in most circumstances. I know a guy who once worked as a rep for a big pharma, and he told me they spent a fortune on "entertainment" to nail down their clients into buying tons more drugs than were needed - valium, anti-depressants etc. So who's subsidising that....

[dennis tooth]

We do? Did we run out of diseases that need curing or something?

No we need to ramp that up by capitalizing on our own university research and development instead of handing it all to an inefficient private sector that readily admits it baulks and sits on a while load of stuff and lobbies with it's massive profits borne from our taxes thanks.

[cloggypop]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Q216O20150728

[King Emlyn]

A tad simplistic. We need stop subsidising Pfizer and smithkliens of this world.

Don't Pfizer make Viagra? You leave Pfizer alone you big bully.

[dennis tooth]

2 sides to this argument. We need the drug companies to provide cures for illnesses. Of course we do. But we also need them to stop pushing shit that's really not needed in most circumstances. I know a guy who once worked as a rep for a big pharma, and he told me they spent a fortune on "entertainment" to nail down their clients into buying tons more drugs than were needed - valium, anti-depressants etc. So who's subsidising that....

Drug companies just use university who are actually in the r and d and churning out scientists.

There's a basic logical conflict of interest in private pharmacutecal corporations in any free society we cannot afford to allow patent laws as they are when it comes to this matter.

[ZonkoVille77]

"Revenue fell 7 percent to $11.85 billion. Wall Street was looking for $11.42 billion."

 

Sums it up. Cunts.

[dennis tooth]

I thought you believe in the free market strings why you support taxpayers subsidising private profits?

[Section_31]

2 sides to this argument. We need the drug companies to provide cures for illnesses. Of course we do. But we also need them to stop pushing shit that's really not needed in most circumstances. I know a guy who once worked as a rep for a big pharma, and he told me they spent a fortune on "entertainment" to nail down their clients into buying tons more drugs than were needed - valium, anti-depressants etc. So who's subsidising that....

 

 I think drug research should have some degree of state involvement. The reason we're running out of antibiotics is because there's no money in it. 

[VladimirIlyich]

I think drug research should have some degree of state involvement. The reason we're running out of antibiotics is because there's no money in it.

And they busy churning out Viagra by the barrel load!

As usual the solution lies somewhere in between the two extremes.

[Section_31]

And they busy churning out Viagra by the barrel load!

As usual the solution lies somewhere in between the two extremes.

 

Jazzy cancer drugs are where the party's at I believe, apparently the big companies prefer to invest in ongoing treatments rather than cures, antibiotics are a 'cure' so they're not showbiz.  

[RoboRiise]

No we need to ramp that up by capitalizing on our own university research and development instead of handing it all to an inefficient private sector that readily admits it baulks and sits on a while load of stuff and lobbies with it's massive profits borne from our taxes thanks.

 

Unfortunately a lot of that is funded by the drug companies and a lot more was funded through the EU.  Shame they voted to spunk 200 billion away on WMDs last week really, some of that might have helped to pick up the slack.

[bonesman]

[dennis tooth]

Unfortunately a lot of that is funded by the drug companies and a lot more was funded through the EU. Shame they voted to spunk 200 billion away on WMDs last week really, some of that might have helped to pick up the slack.

When it's tax free it's us paying for it I can assure you.

And when Pfizer does release a new drug the profit is theirs

[Gnasher]

Corbyn wouldn't invade Poland, he'd just sit on his hands while others did.

 

Old Charlie Kennedy came out against the Iraq war. The Libs didn't seem to like Charlie, alcoholic, ginger haired and scottish. The launched a coup to get rid. If only they could find someone the opposite of ol Charlie, ie someone not Scottish, teetotal and with nicely combed hair, oh for someone like tong blair, then their dreams came true. Nick Clegg.

 

We all know how this little Shakespeareon play ends in disaster (except Stronts) but let's remind ourselves at the closing numbers.

 

 

Libs under Kennedy.. 62 seats.

 

Libs under nicey Clegg..8 seats.

[Gnasher]

Getting worse if you're a lady labour mp now, someone entered their office without knocking.

[Jairzinho]

[Barrington Womble]

Old Charlie Kennedy came out against the Iraq war. The Libs didn't seem to like Charlie, alcoholic, ginger haired and scottish. The launched a coup to get rid. If only they could find someone the opposite of ol Charlie, ie someone not Scottish, teetotal and with nicely combed hair, oh for someone like tong blair, then their dreams came true. Nick Clegg.

 

We all know how this little Shakespeareon play ends in disaster (except Stronts) but let's remind ourselves at the closing numbers.

 

 

Libs under Kennedy.. 62 seats.

 

Libs under nicey Clegg..8 seats.

Clegg got 57 in 2010 though and was basically punished for forming the coalition. I'm no fan of the libdems or clean, but you're basically bending facts to make a stupid argument.

 

[Jairzinho]

Clear for 57 in 2010 though and was basically punished for forming the coalition. I'm no fan of the libdems or clean, but you're basically bending facts to make a stupid argument.

 

To be fair it was the cuntery of Clegg that took them in to a coalition with the fucking Tory party. He absolutely ruined the Lib Dems. They were the party, especially in rural areas, that attracted some support because they just seemed less twattish than the Tories and Labour. Kennedy was simply a more likeable human than whoever was in charge of Labour and Tory.

[Jairzinho]

Getting worse if you're a lady labour mp now, someone entered their office without knocking.

 

Fucking hell, I thought you were joking.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36877185