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I think the age of the kids is important here, no one would probably say anything about leaving them sleeping if they were 8 or 9 years old. But these kids were 3 years old and 18 months. There should have been someone responsible with them, whether that's a babysitter, friend, older cousin, parent - anyone really. But they should not have been left alone at that age.

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As far as I'm aware only one reporter has challenged them on the fact that they left her alone in the hotel was a German TV reporter and she nearly got burnt at the stake for doing so. No British reporters seem to have questioned what happened. I think the fact that they have never really said they were in the wrong and blamed the Portuguese police for everything has pissed a lot of people off.

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Is there anyone in the country who still actually feels any sympathy for these negligent snobby twats? I mean I'm sorry that their irresponsible, terrible parenting has resulted in the loss/possible murder of their little girl, but they have no-one to blame but themselves.

 

I'm sick of seeing them on television and in the newspapers. I'm sick of people campaigning for money so these rich negligent cunts can continue scouring Europe to ease their considerable guilt. I'm sick of that tart carrying around that fucking teddy bear everywhere she goes to try and garner sympathy when she should be in a jail cell.

 

It's about time the police charged these people with criminal negligence, and if the poor little lass is found dead are their grounds to charge them with her manslaughter? It's been said before that if two parents from a council estate in Kenny had gone to the pub for a pint and this had happened you just know that social services and the CPS would have come down on them like a shot. The elite protecting the elite and it makes me sick.

 

If she is alive, I would suspect she's being better looked after by more loving, attentive people than her birth parents anyway, so fuck 'em. The poor girl probably doesn't know any different anyway; she probably hardly knew her parents anyway.

 

You're a thick, ignorant cunt.

 

Just look at some of the words littered throughout your execrable post:

 

"tart", "snobby", "elite", "rich", "hardly knew her parents anyway"

 

You're clearly jealous of what you perceive to be their moneyed, elite lifestyle and you're massively insecure about education.

 

Fact is, they're hardly snobs, or elite. He's from fucking Glasgow and she's from Liverpool. Having a medical qualification doesn't mean they swan about in private jets with butlers and maids you hideous fucking numbskull.

 

They've lost a precious daughter, and I'm very sure that not a day goes by that they don't regret leaving her.

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You're a thick, ignorant cunt.

 

Just look at some of the words littered throughout your execrable post:

 

"tart", "snobby", "elite", "rich", "hardly knew her parents anyway"

 

You're clearly jealous of what you perceive to be their moneyed, elite lifestyle and you're massively insecure about education.

 

Fact is, they're hardly snobs, or elite. He's from fucking Glasgow and she's from Liverpool. Having a medical qualification doesn't mean they swan about in private jets with butlers and maids you hideous fucking numbskull.

 

They've lost a precious daughter, and I'm very sure that not a day goes by that they don't regret leaving her.

 

To be fair to Chris, he has aplogised since the opening post. He is correct about some things such as if it was a single mother from a housing estate doing it there would be uproar - especially the Mail & Express, it would be even worse if the single mother was an asylum seeker. Chris didn't put it over in a good manner, more of a rant really and he's been slaughtered.

 

I think a media campaign reaches a certain level then everyone either wants to forget about the subject or starts getting annoyed and picking holes in the campaign.

 

I am sorry for the parents as they will have to live with the guilt and shame of what they did forever if she is never found or someone finds her dead body. They seem to be clever at deflecting the attention away from themselves and onto the police and the German TV reporter was crucified for asking a valid question. The media frenzy is starting to grate on everyone now due to its' over exposure yet there have been other children missing before and since she was abducted.

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You're a thick, ignorant cunt.

 

Just look at some of the words littered throughout your execrable post:

 

"tart", "snobby", "elite", "rich", "hardly knew her parents anyway"

 

You're clearly jealous of what you perceive to be their moneyed, elite lifestyle and you're massively insecure about education.

 

Fact is, they're hardly snobs, or elite. He's from fucking Glasgow and she's from Liverpool. Having a medical qualification doesn't mean they swan about in private jets with butlers and maids you hideous fucking numbskull.

 

They've lost a precious daughter, and I'm very sure that not a day goes by that they don't regret leaving her.

 

Just because they regret it, their neglect should be overlooked? Give me a break. There are parents, who through no fault of their own, have had children snatched yet have received precisely none of the national outpouring of sympathy that the McCanns have. And why is that? Because of their social standing.

 

Yeah I'm clearly jealous and insecure about their education aren't I?

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You're a thick, ignorant cunt.

 

Just look at some of the words littered throughout your execrable post:

 

"tart", "snobby", "elite", "rich", "hardly knew her parents anyway"

 

You're clearly jealous of what you perceive to be their moneyed, elite lifestyle and you're massively insecure about education.

 

Fact is, they're hardly snobs, or elite. He's from fucking Glasgow and she's from Liverpool. Having a medical qualification doesn't mean they swan about in private jets with butlers and maids you hideous fucking numbskull.

 

They've lost a precious daughter, and I'm very sure that not a day goes by that they don't regret leaving her.

 

 

That's even more over the fuckin top that the original post. There is no jealousy in the original post- although there is a lack of tact in the wording of it perhaps- what was said was fairly accurate.

 

When you have children you make a lifestyle choice- certain freedoms are to be given up in order to provide for those children.

 

Now- strip away all the peripheral of this case- the ineptness of the Portuguese police and authorities, the often cringe-making "European Tour" of the parents (the Pope, anyone?), publicity from the British press- and what you have is a quite obvious case of negligence, plain and simple.

 

Nobody on this forum doubts if the parents aren't going through hell at the moment- of course they are. And everybody on here and likewise everyone who has seen/heard of this case wishes and hopes that that poor little girl is found alive and unharmed.

 

But at the end of the day- her parents left her alone- in fact they left her alone with two younger brothers, in a foreign country. I don't care how many times they insis that their friends who they were having dinner with were taking turns to check on the children, or how many times they say that they could see the building that they left them in from their room- tha fact of the matter is that they left them alone. And to be honest they're damn lucky that the two brothers were left unharmed.

 

I am a rational human being and I truly wish that the girl is okay and re-united with her parents, but I echo the thoughts of those who believe that the status (for want of a better word) of these parents has given them protection from the media. A single parent, or a couple from a council estate would be treated in the same manner as that German reporter who questioned the McCann's decision to leave Madeleine alone- they would be crucified.

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I love the fact that anyone who isn't fully subscribed to ultimate sympathy and forgiveness for the McCann's and their plight is automatically "A Cunt"

 

We must have a lot of Daily Mail readers on here. Daily Mail readers with the mouth's of Daily Sport readers. Don't call me a cunt, you cunts.

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While I think leaving a kid alone in a Hotel room is wrong, what concerns me greatly this judgemental, holier-then-thou, proper parenting brigade (in want of a better word). This fear of 'Paedogeddon' seems to be becoming more of a stranglehold with parents less and less inclined to let their children play with their mates for fear of them being snatched. The chances are so remote that I think it it is a worse risk alienating childrens needs to socialise and play outdoors

 

That's a great point, that, Remm - and one that Mrs Paul and I wrestle with a lot. Ours are coming up to six and three, so it hasn't been too big an issue yet, but it is very hard to balance the need for children to gain independence and to learn through their own experiences with the hysterical media messages about the safety of children. As a parent, you are literally bombarded with this shit - much of the time from other parents, too.

 

I think I may have posted this on the other thread, but I read not long after Madeleine first disappeared that the statistics for child abductions in this country have remained almost exactly the same for over forty years: there are roughly nine abductions per year. Nine! And of those, two-thirds are by a family member (usually the husband in an acrimonious divorce who's been denied access to his kids).

 

Basically, we walk round in a climate of perpetual paranoid anxiety over something that roughly equates to being hit by lightening. Knowing that and being able to respond accordingly with your own kids are two different things, though. The social pressures on parents are immense: witness the strength of feeling about the actions of the McCanns on this very thread, for example.

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I've read this whole thread and I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the guilt of the person who illegally abducted poor Madeleine. Were it not for such a depraved individual we would never have heard of the McCann family.

 

Granted, the parents certainly made a mistake, and no one knows that more than they do. They live with it every moment of every day. Despite their over-confidence in assuming that the children would be OK, we must not lose sight of the fact that the biggest guilty party is the sick person who abducted Madeleine.

 

Are we content to overlook this and instead fire both barrels at the poor parents? Haven't they suffered enough?

 

The lack of compassion on here is appalling.

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I've read this whole thread and I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the guilt of the person who illegally abducted poor Madeleine. Were it not for such a depraved individual we would never have heard of the McCann family.

 

Granted, the parents certainly made a mistake, and no one knows that more than they do. They live with it every moment of every day. Despite their over-confidence in assuming that the children would be OK, we must not lose sight of the fact that the biggest guilty party is the sick person who abducted Madeleine.

 

Are we content to overlook this and instead fire both barrels at the poor parents? Haven't they suffered enough?

 

The lack of compassion on here is appalling.

 

The Boogeyman is always out there. It's the job of the parents to protect their children in every way possible. The poor McCann's failed. My compassion is with the child.

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The Boogeyman is always out there. It's the job of the parents to protect their children in every way possible. The poor McCann's failed. My compassion is with the child.

 

Is he though? See my post above.

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The media campaign will step up a gear next week when Gerry McCann releases a single to raise awareness. He is singing a cover version of Daniel Bedingfield's "Never gonna leave your side".

 

Yea, I'm a cunt too. But this whole campaign has gone too far. I'm with Chris on this. My sympathy is with the child, not the "parents".

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That's a great point, that, Remm - and one that Mrs Paul and I wrestle with a lot. Ours are coming up to six and three, so it hasn't been too big an issue yet, but it is very hard to balance the need for children to gain independence and to learn through their own experiences with the hysterical media messages about the safety of children. As a parent, you are literally bombarded with this shit - much of the time from other parents, too.

 

I think I may have posted this on the other thread, but I read not long after Madeleine first disappeared that the statistics for child abductions in this country have remained almost exactly the same for over forty years: there are roughly nine abductions per year. Nine! And of those, two-thirds are by a family member (usually the husband in an acrimonious divorce who's been denied access to his kids).

 

Basically, we walk round in a climate of perpetual paranoid anxiety over something that roughly equates to being hit by lightening. Knowing that and being able to respond accordingly with your own kids are two different things, though. The social pressures on parents are immense: witness the strength of feeling about the actions of the McCanns on this very thread, for example.

 

This is a great point Paul. As far as our two children are concerned (they are only aged three and one) we have already made a deliberate choice to let them be exposed to a bit of risk or danger (in an age appropriate way of course). We see this as a fundamental part of growing up and learning all about the world around them. I see far too many parents panicking over all sorts of things and blowing the perceived danger out of all proportion.

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Is he though? See my post above.

 

Yeah dude, he is. Children get abducted daily. Just because the chances are small of your (not yours personally) child being taken, it doesn't mean you shouldn't properly legislate for that eventuality. After all, every child who is abducted is always somebody's child...

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Don't expect the Express or the Mail to leave the subject alone, after all they have been obsessed by a woman who died in a car crash 10 years ago on a daily basis.

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The Boogeyman is always out there. It's the job of the parents to protect their children in every way possible. The poor McCann's failed. My compassion is with the child.

 

I'm not saying the McCann's did not make a mistake, as clearly they did, but there is no way any parent can protect their child in every way possible.

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Yeah dude, he is. Children get abducted daily. Just because the chances are small of your (not yours personally) child being taken, it doesn't mean you shouldn't properly legislate for that eventuality. After all, every child who is abducted is always somebody's child...

 

I don't think anyone would disagree with what you're saying, mate (although there were nine abductions in this country last year - not 365). The problem is how to define the bit in bold without doing other damage to your kids.

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I'm not saying the McCann's did not make a mistake, as clearly they did, but there is no way any parent can protect their child in every way possible.

 

You can minimse the risk in most cases though.

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15,000 children have gone missing since the day Madeline McCann went missing ranging from 11 months to 15-16 years old.

 

Not all are abductions or proven abductions but I'd say the chances are it's a fair few more than 9 a year.

 

Would those defending the parents knowingly leave your car open over night or would the idea that some scumbag could take it be enough for you not to risk it?

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15,000 children have gone missing since the day Madeline McCann went missing ranging from 11 months to 15-16 years old.

 

Not all are abductions or proven abductions but I'd say the chances are it's a fair few more than 9 a year.

 

Would those defending the parents knowingly leave your car open over night or would the idea that some scumbag could take it be enough for you not to risk it?

I'm not defending the parents at all, the point I'm getting at is giving children some freedom. Perhaps worthy of another thread as I'm referring to children aged 9/10 over

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I don't think anyone would disagree with what you're saying, mate (although there were nine abductions in this country last year - not 365). The problem is how to define the bit in bold without doing other damage to your kids.

 

Well I think one of the bases that should immediately be covered is not to leave your children alone in unfamiliar envorinments. That's a starting point that isn't even up for discussion.

 

A lot must depend on environments. I mean from quite a young age I was left to my own devices to explore the countryside, as long as I was with mates and in before dark! But I grew up in a safe area where this kind of thing was utterly unheard of. Living in a city, it must be harder to decide what freedoms to give your children, without blighting their childhood experiences with overbearing overprotectiveness.

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You can minimse the risk in most cases though.

 

It's a tough one though. To what extent do you minimise risk? My kids are 10, 8 and 7 and we are constantly having to adjust what we allow them to do. Safest for them would be to keep them in the house with the door locked, but i have a feeling that might be bad for them. I think Chris is well off the mark with what he sees as an appalling decision. As I said on the last thread on this subject, I wouldn't have made the decision to leave them asleep in the room, but can understand why they did it. I can understand questioning the decision, but the vitriol directed at them is wrong.

I'll give you another example, every year loads of kids of 15 and 16 are killed on mopeds in Sweden. I would not buy my kid a moped/motorbike as i think they are too dangerous, but I certainly wouldn't direct any hatred towards parents of someone who died on one.

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It's a tough one though. To what extent do you minimise risk? My kids are 10, 8 and 7 and we are constantly having to adjust what we allow them to do. Safest for them would be to keep them in the house with the door locked, but i have a feeling that might be bad for them. I think Chris is well off the mark with what he sees as an appalling decision. As I said on the last thread on this subject, I wouldn't have made the decision to leave them asleep in the room, but can understand why they did it. I can understand questioning the decision, but the vitriol directed at them is wrong.

I'll give you another example, every year loads of kids of 15 and 16 are killed on mopeds in Sweden. I would not buy my kid a moped/motorbike as i think they are too dangerous, but I certainly wouldn't direct any hatred towards parents of someone who died on one.

Thats a good point Jim.

 

I think the emotions/ethics involved in this abduction are far more complex than some of the absolute opinions on this thread.

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