Russia v Ukraine

[cochyn]

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I think Putin realises whatever he originally planned wasn't getting anywhere and that's why the focus could now move to Donbas mainly. And the sanctions will have had a big effect too even if I don't agree with how they'll also be affecting the population (more of a collective punishment thing that will turn a lot of Russians that had nothing to do with this against the west.)

 

No idea how it'll affect them in the long term either if this ends with some type of peace deal soon but it looks like this is more of a permanent dividing of Russia from NATO countries in some ways and they'll turn towards working with other countries instead.

Difficult to disagree with any of that. 

 

As for the bit in bold: I think there's a schism in Russia where the older people (35yo+) agree that he West is to blame. The younger generation can see that they've had their prospects of a good life irreperably diminished by Putin's actions and the subsequent sanctions. Gotta feel for them really. Fucking tragic it is.

[TheHowieLama]

10 hours ago, cochyn said:

This will only happen when Russia realises it's on to a loser: Even if it wins the peace with Ukraine and retains Crimea and a land bridge to Donbass and UKR's neutrality. It will have made an enemy of the majority of the old 'first' world - a world that is an the vanguard of technology and procedural dynamics. China may be strong, but it is in hock to precisely this dynamic that is dominated by the very countries blacklisting Russia right now.

 

This is unsustainable economically in the long term as the reality is this: All Russia has to offer the world is natural resources, which are determined by world markets. ergo, it has no control over the price of the goods it has to sell. Allied to this is the fact Russia has nothing of added value to offer the world. Nada. Anything it produces is so rudimentary it can be easily cloned by Indian, Pakistani and Chinese sweatshops at a fraction of the price, quicker and with less bullshit.  India wants spare parts for it's Russian tanks? Call China, they'll do it in half the time for a fifth of the price Russia can. Or, just get some lads in Lucknow to make it in their sheds. They can clone SA80 rifles with ease already...

 

So what is the end game? Russia needs to wind its neck in, cease its doomed ideas of imperialism and realise it's a secondary economy at best and simply cannot compete with the economies it is currently allied with. In short: India, China and Pakistan will simply out-compete and out-produce it in every market. Russia is so intrinsically inept it may ultimately find itself having to buy back it's own rudimentary technology from the aforementioned economies because it's cheaper and better than what they can produce domestically. Therefore: total internal domestic economic collapse over time.  

 

This war might not be won in the wheat fields of Ukraine, but in the sweatshops of the far east.

@Red Shift Interested as to why you would neg this.

[Captain Turdseye]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

@Red Shift Interested as to why you would neg this.

He’s so far down all the conspiracy rabbit holes that us folks over here at QAnon rejected him due to his extreme views. 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, cochyn said:

Difficult to disagree with any of that. 

 

As for the bit in bold: I think there's a schism in Russia where the older people (35yo+) agree that he West is to blame. The younger generation can see that they've had their prospects of a good life irreperably diminished by Putin's actions and the subsequent sanctions. Gotta feel for them really. Fucking tragic it is.

 

Yeah on top of all of the suffering, injury and death that Ukrainians are having to deal with which is clearly the worst thing about all of this, the sanctions affecting over 100mil Russians are also horrible then the way it spills over to other parts of the world too economically. I get that there's a huge sense of vengeance directed towards Putin and Russian troops but I'd still rather it was over soon with some type of agreement, one that could also save a lot of Ukrainian troops in Donbas still at risk of being surrounded.

[neko]

That Russian oil depot helicopter attack...wow.

 

What balls.

 

 

[neko]

Another view....

 

 

[Rico1304]

They are just m trying de-Nazify Russia. 

[Strontium]

They don't like it up 'em.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, cochyn said:

Difficult to disagree with any of that. 

 

As for the bit in bold: I think there's a schism in Russia where the older people (35yo+) agree that he West is to blame. The younger generation can see that they've had their prospects of a good life irreperably diminished by Putin's actions and the subsequent sanctions. Gotta feel for them really. Fucking tragic it is.

It’s insane that a 70 year old has to surrender their driving licence and prove they are medically fit to drive, yet a 70 year old can govern an entire fucking country.

[SasaS]

34 minutes ago, neko said:

That Russian oil depot helicopter attack...wow.

 

What balls.

 

 

What about the helicopters flying into Mariupol and back? Separatists claim they have shot down 2 and have video of 2 out of 3 Ukrainian servicemen that survived. Apparently, there were 5 helicopters that flew out of Mariupol, and from what the POWs say, there have been other missions. Fly supplies in and wounded out.  There is very little info of it outside of pro-Russian accounts and Southfront.

If true, it means that UKR air force is  unbelievably brave. Or that a deal has been struck, to get the wounded out and somebody wasn't told, which sounds a bit too fanciful maybe.

[Mudface]

2 hours ago, neko said:

That Russian oil depot helicopter attack...wow.

 

What balls.

 

 

Even more so given that the Russians apparently destroyed the entire Ukraine air force several times over in the first week...

[TheHowieLama]

On 30/03/2022 at 10:17, Red Phoenix said:

 

The ICC one is what really got me, I think it's amazing. But yeah good point.

Where do we stand on the UNHRC?

 

Senators urge US to halt UN probe into alleged war crimes during Gaza bombing

Sixty-eight senators signed a letter sent to Biden administration saying UN investigation is part of 'continuing bias against Israel'

[SasaS]

If anyone is still interested, complete Russian front east and west of Kiev is apparently no more.

Now the battle for the Line of Contact, which will decide the war, can fully get underway.  

[Bjornebye]

22 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Where do we stand on the UNHRC?

 

Senators urge US to halt UN probe into alleged war crimes during Gaza bombing

Sixty-eight senators signed a letter sent to Biden administration saying UN investigation is part of 'continuing bias against Israel'

What?! Fucking joke of a planet 

[Strontium]

31 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Where do we stand on the UNHRC?

 

China, UAE, Mauritania, Russia, Pakistan, Cuba, Venezuela, Sudan, Eritrea, Qatar etc.... great bunch of lads each and every one.

[Red Shift]

5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

@Red Shift Interested as to why you would neg this.

It’s totally underestimated the close ties and economic power of BRICS and Russia’s contributions to SCIENCE - oh and a poorly functioning monetary policy of the West. 
I think what we’re witnessing is the first real challenge to the US dollar as the worlds reserve.

[SasaS]

LaRouche again, right?

[TheHowieLama]

25 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

It’s totally underestimated the close ties and economic power of BRICS and Russia’s contributions to SCIENCE - oh and a poorly functioning monetary policy of the West. 
I think what we’re witnessing is the first real challenge to the US dollar as the worlds reserve.

The dollar hasn't always been the worlds reserve.

BRICS has been trying to do it for a decade. Realistically it is a closed loop - they cannot really trade anymore amongst themselves than they already are and all of them still trade with the US in dollars.

If the West has a poorly functioning monetary policy wtf is Brazil up to - they were far better off 10 years ago than they are now. Imagine being the poor sap who has to look across the table at Bolsonaro and hope he doesn't shit the bed.

Heck, per capita China was probably better off 10 years ago. South Africa the same really - to the USD their currency is probably worth half what it was.

[SasaS]

On 31/03/2022 at 00:31, SasaS said:

This should be on the driving test.

 

 

That was Borodyanka. Now UKR army spoiling all the fun.

 

 

[dockers_strike]

Apologies if this has already been reported.

 

Radiation from the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear plant in Ukraine has reportedly killed one Russian soldier after his unit camped in a toxic area known as the Red Forest.

The soldier was part of a team that captured the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, 65 miles north of Kyiv, in the first days of the war.

They then occupied the 20-mile exclusion zone around the plant, where people are banned from living, dug trenches into radioactive mud and drove their trucks along dirt roads, kicking up radioactive dust.

Now ill and exhausted, they have retreated to Belarus.

"The Russian occupiers have left the Chernobyl nuclear power plant," said Ukraine's defence ministry. "Two key reasons: losses caused by the Ukrainian army and radiation exposure."

 

While the disaster of the nuclear power plant explosion at Chernobyl in 1986 is well documented in the West and was the subject of an award-winning BBC drama in 2019, it is relatively unknown in Russia.

It is unlikely that the Russian soldiers, mainly conscripts from the poorer fringes of Russia, would have known about the dark history of the abandoned power plant that they had been ordered to capture. 

They did not even know that they were going to war when they were told to invade Ukraine on February 24. Their officers had told them that they were still on a military exercise and they were not issued with any radiation protection suits.

The new safe confinement structure over the old sarcophagus covering the damaged fourth reactor at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant Credit: REUTERS/GLEB GARANICH

After capturing the nuclear power station, the Russian soldiers were ordered to camp in the wood, known locally as the Red Forest because of the colour it turned after soaking up radiation from the nuclear explosion.

Russian commanders may not have known about the wood's reputation as a radiation hotbed, or may not have cared.

Either way, it points yet again to poor planning and poor leadership within the Russian army. Its reputation for competence and as an effective modern fighting force has been ripped apart over the past five weeks of war in Ukraine, in which thousands of conscripts have been killed.

The Kremlin has tried to suppress news of the Russian army's casualties and military blunders. Many of the injured and dead soldiers from its failed assault on Kyiv are being treated in Gomel, a border town in Belarus, where doctors and nurses have previously told The Telegraph that they have been sworn to secrecy.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-chernobyl/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

 

[Remmie]

16 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Apologies if this has already been reported.

 

Radiation from the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear plant in Ukraine has reportedly killed one Russian soldier after his unit camped in a toxic area known as the Red Forest.

The soldier was part of a team that captured the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, 65 miles north of Kyiv, in the first days of the war.

They then occupied the 20-mile exclusion zone around the plant, where people are banned from living, dug trenches into radioactive mud and drove their trucks along dirt roads, kicking up radioactive dust.

Now ill and exhausted, they have retreated to Belarus.

"The Russian occupiers have left the Chernobyl nuclear power plant," said Ukraine's defence ministry. "Two key reasons: losses caused by the Ukrainian army and radiation exposure."

 

While the disaster of the nuclear power plant explosion at Chernobyl in 1986 is well documented in the West and was the subject of an award-winning BBC drama in 2019, it is relatively unknown in Russia.

It is unlikely that the Russian soldiers, mainly conscripts from the poorer fringes of Russia, would have known about the dark history of the abandoned power plant that they had been ordered to capture. 

They did not even know that they were going to war when they were told to invade Ukraine on February 24. Their officers had told them that they were still on a military exercise and they were not issued with any radiation protection suits.

The new safe confinement structure over the old sarcophagus covering the damaged fourth reactor at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant Credit: REUTERS/GLEB GARANICH

After capturing the nuclear power station, the Russian soldiers were ordered to camp in the wood, known locally as the Red Forest because of the colour it turned after soaking up radiation from the nuclear explosion.

Russian commanders may not have known about the wood's reputation as a radiation hotbed, or may not have cared.

Either way, it points yet again to poor planning and poor leadership within the Russian army. Its reputation for competence and as an effective modern fighting force has been ripped apart over the past five weeks of war in Ukraine, in which thousands of conscripts have been killed.

The Kremlin has tried to suppress news of the Russian army's casualties and military blunders. Many of the injured and dead soldiers from its failed assault on Kyiv are being treated in Gomel, a border town in Belarus, where doctors and nurses have previously told The Telegraph that they have been sworn to secrecy.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-chernobyl/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

 

Yeah that's a special kind of stupid

[Remmie]

I try and think of both sides of an argument but the absolute brass neck of the Kremlin saying the attack on the oil depot in Russian territory is not conducive to peace talks is quite incredible. 

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Where do we stand on the UNHRC?

 

Senators urge US to halt UN probe into alleged war crimes during Gaza bombing

Sixty-eight senators signed a letter sent to Biden administration saying UN investigation is part of 'continuing bias against Israel'

 

Insane. Booker and Klobuchar on the signature list too, fucking frauds. https://www.cardin.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Letter_to_Sec_Blinken_on_UNHRC_Commission_of_Inquiry_on_Israel_032822.pdf

[Pete]

34 minutes ago, Remmie said:

I try and think of both sides of an argument but the absolute brass neck of the Kremlin saying the attack on the oil depot in Russian territory is not conducive to peace talks is quite incredible. 

I thought that too.

Tell what’s not conducive to peace Vlad? Illegally invading another fucking you country you absolute muppet. 

[Arniepie]

4 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

China, UAE, Mauritania, Russia, Pakistan, Cuba, Venezuela, Sudan, Eritrea, Qatar etc.... great bunch of lads each and every one.

Aren't you normally the 1st person to call people out for indulging in whatabouttery?