Keir Starmer

[Mudface]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

there was a great piece in the guardian the other week of just how much they all enable each other

I still believe the media play a huge part in this but the english have a natural defernce which has been there for generations.The bootlickers are quite happy for millionaire tories to pay as little tax as possible but whinge when hungry kids are given free school meals.

I honestly dont know how you go about challenging this.

 

There's an interesting account of a Chartist demonstration in the late 1840s in one of the Flashman books. It's fictionalised of course, but this part is documented- whereas there were revolutions and riots on the continent, and the government was shitting themselves about the same happening in Britain, the demo was a complete bust with only 20-30 thousand of the half million expected turning up and being outnumbered by the enlisted constables. At one point, an agitator got up and called out the crowd for being cowards. A butcher squared up to him, gave him a good kicking and was carried around by the crowd singing God Save the Queen. The deference to royalty, authority and people's 'betters' has been there for centuries, and the Tories play on this relentlessly by making out they're the natural party of government. If even the Covid and Brexit disasters and the outright corruption, lying and grift still gets ~30% voting for the cunts, then there really is little hope without massive alterations to the voting system and having a proper, written constitution. Sadly, even with his massive majority, Blair was too timid to do this, and I can't see Starmer's Labour doing anything either.

[Arniepie]

6 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

There's an interesting account of a Chartist demonstration in the late 1840s in one of the Flashman books. It's fictionalised of course, but this part is documented- whereas there were revolutions and riots on the continent, and the government was shitting themselves about the same happening in Britain, the demo was a complete bust with only 20-30 thousand of the half million expected turning up and being outnumbered by the enlisted constables. At one point, an agitator got up and called out the crowd for being cowards. A butcher squared up to him, gave him a good kicking and was carried around by the crowd singing God Save the Queen. The deference to royalty, authority and people's 'betters' has been there for centuries, and the Tories play on this relentlessly by making out they're the natural party of government. If even the Covid and Brexit disasters and the outright corruption, lying and grift still gets ~30% voting for the cunts, then there really is little hope without massive alterations to the voting system and having a proper, written constitution. Sadly, even with his massive majority, Blair was too timid to do this, and I can't see Starmer's Labour doing anything either.

I think its in our dna.The legacy of empire also plays a part (Has anyone asked these fuckwits what we "rule" exactly?)

Ive mentioned it before but there was a great post on twitter,where they said it starts with the royal family and trickles down. Once you accept 1 family are better than you,through an accident of birth,it follows you will vote in a class of people,on the basis that they went to Eton.

And this is all reinforced by an overwhelmingly right wing media.

Even a generation of working class people getting blown to pieces didnt shake the system. 

[Mudface]

13 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I think its in our dna.The legacy of empire also plays a part (Has anyone asked these fuckwits what we "rule" exactly?)

Ive mentioned it before but there was a great post on twitter,where they said it starts with the royal family and trickles down. Once you accept 1 family are better than you,through an accident of birth,it follows you will vote in a class of people,on the basis that they went to Eton.

And this is all reinforced by an overwhelmingly right wing media.

Even a generation of working class people getting blown to pieces didnt shake the system. 

 

Yeah, that class system and deference to people more privileged due to an accident of birth is deeply ingrained and ruthlessly reinforced. I saw bits and pieces of the coronation and just thought it looked tawdry and ridiculous, other people loved it and thought it was majestic and inspiring which is bizarre to me.

[Captain Turdseye]

On 29/01/2024 at 12:25, Gnasher said:

 

No sign of racism in Labour? Hmm here's the country's longest serving Black MP.  You saw the fate of another one yesterday. 

 

 

 

 

That’s pretty fucked up. Tory behaviour behind the scenes as well as in public.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It's a fair question.

[Megadrive Man]

They really are absolutely pathetic.

 

This was literally three months ago.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

They really are absolutely pathetic.

 

This was literally three months ago.

 

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

Remember when we were moaning about Labour/Starmer not taking positions on anything?
 

Heady days. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

It’s sound, they will reverse it all as soon as they get into power. 
 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's a fair question.

What's the point in the opposition saying something, they can't do anything apparently, so it doesn't matter.

[ZonkoVille77]

1 hour ago, Megadrive Man said:

They really are absolutely pathetic.

 

This was literally three months ago.

 

 

 

Shameless. Par for the course from the political classes though. Disingenuous charlatans the lot of them. 

[Gnasher]

[Gnasher]

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/coinbase-rachel-reeves-davos-breakfast-crypto-firm-100m-money-laundering-failures-4485467

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/31/george-osborne-coinbase-cryptocurrency-us-court

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

 

[Section_31]

Par for the course. Labour has to audition to be allowed back in and prove it won't upset the apple cart. I suspect a S*n backs Ser Keir type headline isn't far away.

 

As I say though, hate the game not the player. 

[Gnasher]

They're not having a good time selling this. Is Sawar suggesting the cost of living crisis is over? Nice to know. At last he didn't go the full hog and credit the Tories for fixing it. 

 

 

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1752725689982206460?t=L0SzBHiwwqj6Slc8PhI4mg&s=19

 

 

 

 

 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

22 hours ago, Arniepie said:

I think its in our dna.The legacy of empire also plays a part (Has anyone asked these fuckwits what we "rule" exactly?)

Ive mentioned it before but there was a great post on twitter,where they said it starts with the royal family and trickles down. Once you accept 1 family are better than you,through an accident of birth,it follows you will vote in a class of people,on the basis that they went to Eton.

And this is all reinforced by an overwhelmingly right wing media.

Even a generation of working class people getting blown to pieces didnt shake the system. 

 

Yep, and the honours system props it up. Throw a few gongs to actors and the like, call them national treasures, pin a badge on the odd hospital cleaner ("Ooh, they've used the same mop for 50 years!") and then stack the Lords with donors and those who know where the bodies are buried. One lot get the headlines from a media that is at best in a stupor of banality, whilst the others sneak in like thieves in the night.

 

Loads of great figures I've admired have accepted honours, and it saddens me every time as they can't see how they're being used as human shields for a system of unmerited hierarchy and corruption.

 

It starts with the royals though. Cut the head off the snake.

[Gnasher]

Another good news day from Reeves and Labour. Well it is for those at the very top.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

The appeasement of the top 5% will continue unabashed and unashamedly. Reeves seems to be embracing Thatcherism. Murphy is right. She's a cretin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Section_31]

Yorkshire building society isn't goldman Sachs to be fair.

[Scooby Dudek]

The bar seems to be, we will not help you but we will not be as openly corrupt as the last lot. Truly inspirational times to get out and canvas and vote. 

No doubt when we have a very low voter turn out lots of focus groups will make lots of money figuring out why.

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Yorkshire building society isn't goldman Sachs to be fair.

 

They're probably the the most left wing advisor she's listening to. Seems she's had a wild time in Davos. 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Par for the course. Labour has to audition to be allowed back in and prove it won't upset the apple cart. I suspect a S*n backs Ser Keir type headline isn't far away.

 

As I say though, hate the game not the player. 

I understand your point mate I really do and I’ve long hoped the case is that they are playing the game perfectly. Unfortunately for me, I just don’t trust a certain few of them. Streeting, Reeves and Nandy are about as trustworthy as a Lib Dem politician in 2012. 
 

I can’t fully make my mind up on Starmer. Either he’s pulling the greatest political heist in Westminster this century or he’s as bad as the afore mentioned and his popularity is clouded by how poor the current lot are. 

[TheHowieLama]

22 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

This is not AI but is it real?

 

I mean -  Isreal - really.

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Yorkshire building society isn't goldman Sachs to be fair.

 

Imagine getting angry that Labour is being advised by a co-operative. Wild.