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Honestly, the manager wont come out and say we have 100mil to spend on players (not that we do). To me (the optimist in me at least), that sounds like someone keeping their cards close to their chest.

 

Yeah, possibly. Given that we've actually spent quite a lot of money, appear to have more players coming in and had very little come into the club in way of transfer fees (in fact, we've probably spent quite a lot paying off players contracts in order to get them to fuck off). Seems a little odd to say that.

 

However, if it's true, questions will be asked. Rightly so.

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So if we didn't have any money, where has the £25.5m come from? Where will the money come from for the two players coming in?

 

Brendan didnt say where the money £25.5m actually came from

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I get the feeling that people are still weary of Americans owners, scared by the precious regime.

 

Not only because we are still paying the price for the financial turmoil that was caused during regime of Tom Hicks and George Gillette financially but we are also still paying it emotionally.

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I just want to know what the "new" liverpool is?

 

The new Liverpool

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ffs media pleasing bullshit.

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Brendan didnt say where the money £25.5m actually came from

 

But I'm asking you, if "the reality is we didnt[sic] have the money this year", where did we get the £25.5m for Borini and Allen, and where are we getting the loan fee for Sahin and the money for the second player (thought to be €17m for Callejón) coming from? Have we sold players for big money?

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I just want to know what the "new" liverpool is?

 

 

 

ffs media pleasing bullshit.

 

It's like the old Liverpool, but the trophy will become our style of play, rather than pots in the cabinet.

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Where's this Callejon stuff coming from?

 

A rumour posted on Macca's rumours website. It's in that thread.

 

Tenuous as the day is long but while no-one is denying it, I am believing it.

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Well Jones is not 23! And does not have a demonstrable weakness like Caroll e.g. slow as fuck and not particularly flexible. Henderson won't leave because he isn't as poor as Caroll.

 

Spearing and Adam are not needed, so clearly surplus to requirements. And Caroll is worth £20m!

 

Anyhow, judging by Henry's comments the focus seems to have been on reducing the wage bill rather than bring money in per se.

 

No the difference is Jones plays fpr a club which although we don't like their manager has imposed to fans and media the culture of patience with players. Jones is actually quite short(180) for a central defender. Unless he becomes the new Cannavaro, he'll find it hard to compete at the very top. There is no reason why he wouldn't develop into the next Cannavaro though.

 

If De Gea, Nani or Jones had signed for Liverpool, fans and media would have ruined them after their first season.

 

Instead of this nonsense about Carroll and Jones. Why don't you admit that Liverpool fans haven't got the culture of patience with young players? That if a player is not a wonderkid like Owen or Gerrard and doesn't hit the ground running like Torres, won't be given enough time to prove himself before they start calling him names and ruin his confidence?

 

This was emphatically proved with Lucas. The guy was considered for at least 3 seasons not good enough, flop, slow, boring, headless chicken etc.... they even booed him. That's how patient fans are with players. Every single pundit I can remember, was calling him "not Liverpool material", not "Top 4 material" etc... After 3 seasons with the support of Rafa he developed into one of the finest midfielders in the league, he even captained his country's national team, certain Brazil.

 

Yet many fans would go to extreme lenghs to justify the owners' decisions. This is a pradox. They haven't got patience with Carroll or Henderson, but they're willing to overlook the owners failings.It's got to do something with what that Canadian guy mentioned the other day. Something about authority.

 

Finally something about Carroll. This summer Arsenal signed the French equivalent of Carroll, a tall strong, left footed, pure target man, Giroud. Age 25, two years older than Carroll. I bet Wenger has the know how to turn him into a world class player.

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No the difference is Jones plays fpr a club which although we don't like their manager has imposed to fans and media the culture of patience with players. Jones is actually quite short(180) for a central defender. Unless he becomes the new Cannavaro, he'll find it hard to compete at the very top. There is no reason why he wouldn't develop into the next Cannavaro though.

 

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I agree with a lot of what you are saying about our fans not giving players a chance but Phil Jones is utter shite and I can't see that changing anytime soon

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But I'm asking you, if "the reality is we didnt[sic] have the money this year", where did we get the £25.5m for Borini and Allen, and where are we getting the loan fee for Sahin and the money for the second player (thought to be €17m for Callejón) coming from? Have we sold players for big money?

 

Remains to be seen if we'll sign anyone else for reasonably big money. Personally, I can only see it happening if we sell Agger or Carroll.

 

The real change is in terms of the wage bill, as younger players do not command as much as senior pros.

 

For Sahin, is there a loan fee? What is it?

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No the difference is Jones plays fpr a club which although we don't like their manager has imposed to fans and media the culture of patience with players. Jones is actually quite short(180) for a central defender. Unless he becomes the new Cannavaro, he'll find it hard to compete at the very top. There is no reason why he wouldn't develop into the next Cannavaro though.

 

If De Gea, Nani or Jones had signed for Liverpool, fans and media would have ruined them after their first season.

 

Instead of this nonsense about Carroll and Jones. Why don't you admit that Liverpool fans haven't got the culture of patience with young players? That if a player is not a wonderkid like Owen or Gerrard and doesn't hit the ground running like Torres, won't be given enough time to prove himself before they start calling him names and ruin his confidence?

 

This was emphatically proved with Lucas. The guy was considered for at least 3 seasons not good enough, flop, slow, boring, headless chicken etc.... they even booed him. That's how patient fans are with players. Every single pundit I can remember, was calling him "not Liverpool material", not "Top 4 material" etc... After 3 seasons with the support of Rafa he developed into one of the finest midfielders in the league, he even captained his country's national team, certain Brazil.

 

Yet many fans would go to extreme lenghs to justify the owners' decisions. This is a pradox. They haven't got patience with Carroll or Henderson, but they're willing to overlook the owners failings.It's got to do something with what that Canadian guy mentioned the other day. Something about authority.

 

Finally something about Carroll. This summer Arsenal signed the French equivalent of Carroll, a tall strong, left footed, pure target man, Giroud. Age 25, two years older than Carroll. I bet Wenger has the know how to turn him into a world class player.

 

Well, since I never mentioned Lucas, also supported Henderson and simply stated Caroll is not going to make it I am not sure why you decided to have a mad rant like that!

 

Caroll is not good enough and should never have been bought, we all know this! Your talk about patience is fine, but there is the flip side to that which is don't spend £35m on a 22 year old on the back of a decent 6 months in the premiership! Have the patience to see if that is nothing more than a purple patch. Form is temporary class is permanent works is not just relevant to someone out of form.

 

Patience isn't always about giving the youth a chance to come good, it is simply about giving them the opportunity to prove how good they are. You shouldn't write off a young player on the back of a decent season, and equally you shouldn't praise them to the hilt on the back of a decent season.

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Instead of this nonsense about Carroll and Jones. Why don't you admit that Liverpool fans haven't got the culture of patience with young players? That if a player is not a wonderkid like Owen or Gerrard and doesn't hit the ground running like Torres, won't be given enough time to prove himself before they start calling him names and ruin his confidence?

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I suspect it's a lot easier to display patience with developing players when you are at the top of the league and competing in the CL.

 

The booing is frustration at results not necessarily aimed at the players. If you're frustrated you lash out at the easiest target.

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No the difference is Jones plays fpr a club which although we don't like their manager has imposed to fans and media the culture of patience with players. Jones is actually quite short(180) for a central defender. Unless he becomes the new Cannavaro, he'll find it hard to compete at the very top. There is no reason why he wouldn't develop into the next Cannavaro though.

 

If De Gea, Nani or Jones had signed for Liverpool, fans and media would have ruined them after their first season.

 

Instead of this nonsense about Carroll and Jones. Why don't you admit that Liverpool fans haven't got the culture of patience with young players? That if a player is not a wonderkid like Owen or Gerrard and doesn't hit the ground running like Torres, won't be given enough time to prove himself before they start calling him names and ruin his confidence?

 

This was emphatically proved with Lucas. The guy was considered for at least 3 seasons not good enough, flop, slow, boring, headless chicken etc.... they even booed him. That's how patient fans are with players. Every single pundit I can remember, was calling him "not Liverpool material", not "Top 4 material" etc... After 3 seasons with the support of Rafa he developed into one of the finest midfielders in the league, he even captained his country's national team, certain Brazil.

 

Yet many fans would go to extreme lenghs to justify the owners' decisions. This is a pradox. They haven't got patience with Carroll or Henderson, but they're willing to overlook the owners failings.It's got to do something with what that Canadian guy mentioned the other day. Something about authority.

 

Finally something about Carroll. This summer Arsenal signed the French equivalent of Carroll, a tall strong, left footed, pure target man, Giroud. Age 25, two years older than Carroll. I bet Wenger has the know how to turn him into a world class player.

 

That's a good post that.

 

You have to realise, however, that lot are bedding in youngsters from a position of strength, whereas we need to find a balance in bringing in youth AND experience in order to stay competitive. We had that here years ago, but were asset stripped, and need to start all over again. If we gamble and give so many players time they need to perhaps come good, we will lose the few world class players we currently have.

 

There is also an expectation that when you pay 35mil for a player, that he will be world class. Carroll's shown very little that he can fall within that category, and to a lesser extent, so has Henderson.

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But I'm asking you, if "the reality is we didnt[sic] have the money this year", where did we get the £25.5m for Borini and Allen, and where are we getting the loan fee for Sahin and the money for the second player (thought to be €17m for Callejón) coming from? Have we sold players for big money?

 

I think it would be wise to wait until the end of the window and see how much our net spend actually is before we start talking about how much money we have. It seems clear that we are trying to sell Carroll which will cover most of our out goings so far.

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Well, since I never mentioned Lucas, also supported Henderson and simply stated Caroll is not going to make it I am not sure why you decided to have a mad rant like that!

 

Caroll is not good enough and should never have been bought, we all know this! Your talk about patience is fine, but there is the flip side to that which is don't spend £35m on a 22 year old on the back of a decent 6 months in the premiership! Have the patience to see if that is nothing more than a purple patch. Form is temporary class is permanent works is not just relevant to someone out of form.

 

Patience isn't always about giving the youth a chance to come good, it is simply about giving them the opportunity to prove how good they are. You shouldn't write off a young player on the back of a decent season, and equally you shouldn't praise them to the hilt on the back of a decent season.

We all know that? No we don't. Who says Carroll is not good enough?

I believe he is good enough and if he was nurtured by a manager like Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa or Wenger he could become a great forward. He is just too young and he is still learning.

 

I agree that Carroll was not a suitable replacement for our departing Number 9. But who decided to sell him to our direct rivals and then replace him with a 21 year old player full of potential but not ready yet? Who went in the press pretending the specialist and saying that Torres' price was determined by Carroll's and some other strange things about the Arsenal model and selling old to buy young etc...? Those people never get any criticism, it's always the player or the manager. At the end of the day, who brought Commolli to Liverpool?

 

If you ask my opinion I'd have kept Torres and added Suarez. But they decided it was time to sell our number nine because "he was getting old and he wanted to win and a 50m offer can't be turned down lighthearted" etc...

 

and why sell Agger this season? We've got the third best defence in the league. So practically our defence is Top 4 material. Why sell our best defender and risk ruining our best department, the only department which looked Top4 last season?

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If you ask my opinion I'd have kept Torres and added Suarez. But they decided it was time to sell our number nine because "he was getting old and he wanted to win and a 50m offer can't be turned down lighthearted" etc...

 

 

Who decided to sell Torres?

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