Bearable Conservatives.

[Rico1304]

Righto.

 

 

My understanding is that three of the Gospels were written by the people who knew him.

 

As for "existed", again my understanding was not the question of whether he existed, but the question of whether he was the son of God. A man called Jesus of Nazareth caused a huge stir in the Roman Empire by performing [miracles/magic tricks], gaining a huge following and then [rising from the dead/having his body stolen], and the evidence of that is substantial.

Not really they were written a long time after. Plus there's no record of him anywhere until then. He probably existed. He didn't cause a big stir either.

[s(k)aturation]

Not really they were written a long time after. Plus there's no record of him anywhere until then. He probably existed. He didn't cause a big stir either.

 

 

Mate, he did cause a reasonably big stir because, on the back of some pesky but meek, peaceable and secretive shit-stirrers preaching in his name - who did nothing much else noteworthy other than get thrown to lions or executed in other whimsical ways - the Roman Empire (the entire Western and parts of the Eastern World) was Christian within 300 years of Jesus' "existence".  If they did make Jesus up, it was an influential fabrication.

Christianity, a piss-ant hippy cult, had much more impact on the world's politics and power of the day than Judaism, for instance, which was established and had existed and indeed co-existed with Rome for a lot lot longer to much less effect.

[Rico1304]

Mate, he did cause a reasonably big stir because, on the back of some pesky but meek, peaceable and secretive shit-stirrers preaching in his name - who did nothing much else noteworthy other than get thrown to lions or executed in other whimsical ways - the Roman Empire (the entire Western and parts of the Eastern World) was Christian within 300 years of Jesus' "existence". If they did make Jesus up, it was an influential fabrication.

Christianity, a piss-ant hippy cult, had much more impact on the world's politics and power of the day than Judaism, for instance, which was established and had existed and indeed co-existed with Rome for a lot lot longer to much less effect.

That's not what I said. He didn't make much of a stir, there were a few hundred followers for decades until a Roman Emperor (can't remember who now but I'll check) took up the cause and made it popular. So Christianity bacame big, but he wasn't.

[skend04]

Let's take the religious talk over to the religion thread. We're being taken off on a tangent here. Focus! Tories!

[s(k)aturation]

That's not what I said. He didn't make much of a stir, there were a few hundred followers for decades until a Roman Emperor (can't remember who now but I'll check) took up the cause and made it popular. So Christianity bacame big, but he wasn't.

 

 

Constantine didn't take up the cause.  He reacted to and exploited the strong catholic impact it was having across the empire, and saw it as a unifying and even authoritarian tool.

And the fewer the followers Christianity had (which I'd vouch was perhaps more than a few hundred) the more it underlines my point about the stir it/Christ created. His influence at the time (preaching peace) was of enough concern to a key, high ranking, brutal regional Roman military governor to have him killed for disturbing the Pax Romani. His "martyrdom" was a springboard for a huge political, not just religious movement. He was big enough at the time I would argue. To distinguish him from the bigness of Christianity is disingenuous I think, and akin to separating Mohammed from Islam.

Anyhow, 2000 years later, there'll be interpretative disputes won't there?

[s(k)aturation]

Let's take the religious talk over to the religion thread. We're being taken off on a tangent here. Focus! Tories!

 

Blame that convenient God-botherer Mogg.

[VladimirIlyich]

Blame that convenient God-botherer Mogg.

What despicable and loathsome policies being pushed through the house of commons has this cunt's outburst help distract from?

[s(k)aturation]

What despicable and loathsome policies being pushed through the house of commons has this cunt's outburst help distract from?

 

 

None, comrade.

I was referring to his religious beliefs which seem to have sparked a tangential religious conversation in the last few posts.

[cloggypop]

Reese Mogg should crucify himself to see if he gains influence and gets an immediate cult following with the possibility of future global success.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Let's take the religious talk over to the religion thread. We're being taken off on a tangent here. Focus! Tories!

It's even worse than that.  This is a thread for bearable Conservatives - why that odious slime Rees-Mogg ever got mentioned at all is a complete mystery.

[s(k)aturation]

It's even worse than that.  This is a thread for bearable Conservatives - why that odious slime Rees-Mogg ever got mentioned at all is a complete mystery.

 

 

The oxymoronic nature of the thread title was always going to make the conversations nebular.

[skend04]

It's even worse than that. This is a thread for bearable Conservatives - why that odious slime Rees-Mogg ever got mentioned at all is a complete mystery.

Think that was my fault...

[s(k)aturation]

Think that was my fault...

 

 

... which is why the Abrahamic atheists offered some divine distraction.

[Rico1304]

The oxymoronic nature of the thread title was always going to make the conversations nebular.

It's truly hilarious.

[Mook]

That's one good thing about tories, they're easily entertained.

 

Just have debate about how unbearable they are or show them a video of some poor people suffering & they'll be rolling about laughing.

[Rico1304]

That's one good thing about tories, they're easily entertained.

 

Just have debate about how unbearable they are or show them a video of some poor people suffering & they'll be rolling about laughing.

Nah, it's much funnier watching you circle jerking whilst desperately trying to out lefty each other

 

"I hate all Tories"

"Is that all, I'd hang them from a lamp post"

"Is that all? I won't even look at one. If i did I'd pluck out my own eyes and pour bleach in the holes"

[Mook]

Nah, it's much funnier watching you circle jerking whilst desperately trying to out lefty each other

 

"I hate all Tories"

"Is that all, I'd hang them from a lamp post"

"Is that all? I won't even look at one. If i did I'd pluck out my own eyes and pour bleach in the holes"

 

I love how you see everyone else on this forum as one entity & seem to take every comment at face value.

 

It's a Football forum, not an editorial in a national newspaper. For the record, one of my grannies was a staunch tory voter & I thought the World of her despite the political stuff.

[s(k)aturation]

It's a Football forum, not an editorial in a national newspaper. For the record, one of my grannies was a staunch tory voter & I thought the World of her despite the political stuff.

 

 

Yes, people tend not to purée their loved ones on political grounds.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Yes, people tend not to puree their loved ones on political grounds.

That would be harsh!

 

 

[Edit - it's probably to your credit that your autocorrect does not immediately recognise the word "purge".]

[Rico1304]

I love how you see everyone else on this forum as one entity & seem to take every comment at face value.

 

It's a Football forum, not an editorial in a national newspaper. For the record, one of my grannies was a staunch tory voter & I thought the World of her despite the political stuff.

This is a joke right?

[s(k)aturation]

That would be harsh!

 

 

[Edit - it's probably to your credit that your autocorrect does not immediately recognise the word "purge".]

 

 

In less sophisticated times, the most awkward autocorrect I used to contend with - as someone that writes for a living and used the word frequently once upon a time - was the word "scripts", for some reason on my mobile phone, coming up as "rapists".

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I can't help thinking that Hades might be prepared to puree some people on political grounds.

[s(k)aturation]

I can't help thinking that Hades might be prepared to puree some people on political grounds.

 

 

Puréeing would merely be his probationary punitive measure, for first or minor offenders.

[VladimirIlyich]

I love how you see everyone else on this forum as one entity & seem to take every comment at face value.

 

It's a Football forum, not an editorial in a national newspaper. For the record, one of my grannies was a staunch tory voter & I thought the World of her despite the political stuff.

Wow. My Nans were as staunch Socialists as you could ever get,but its funny how there are often two sides of a family with very opposing beliefs.

[Pureblood]

Tories are rights cunts.