Lucas - more tackles than any OTHER PL player

[piscinin]

Kuyt isn't an intelligent footballer, not by a long shot. He does unquestionably do a lot of running but most of it is wasted energy. How many times has he had applause for chasing down the goalie when everyone knows the keeper is going to launch the ball long before he gets there. He does that all over the pitch, he makes token runs at people and it's more than often completely futile. Shit like that doesn't wow me to be quite honest.

 

You need to differentiate between running for the sake of pressure and tactical runs. I don't think you can see the difference TBH. As Ian mentioned his TEAM running to make space for the full back is as legendary as was his running to take defenders away from Torres or to run defenders into each other. Did you never wonder why Torres was always in space despite being the most dangerous striker in the league?

 

Any player who can play as a striker, second striker, left and right winger and left and right inside forward. And do it well, cannot, I'm sorry, be an unintelligent player.

[chauncey]

Lucas is playing really well for Brazil here. Charlie Adam's having a shocker.

[Code]

I was really impressed with Lucas myself, think Barca might be in for him though.

[Delmar]

Lucas had an excellent game, he is a perfect choice in this Brazil team, simple, beautiful football. However, they still lack a proper number 10 and a 9. On the other hand, they also have Luiz and Luisao on the bench for the defence, nice choice there.

 

Adam, well, he will wish to forget this, or learn from a lesson he just got taught.

[Einch]

I was really impressed with Lucas myself, think Barca might be in for him though.

 

Yeah the number 20 did ok when he came on. Good control at pace but they have better options than him for that. No that number 5 had a good game and showed Adam and Morrison, who some people think should replace him, how that role should be played.

[Code]

Yeah the number 20 did ok when he came on. Good control at pace but they have better options than him for that. No that number 5 had a good game and showed Adam and Morrison, who some people think should replace him, how that role should be played.

 

He`s only 18 though.

[Section_31]

You need to differentiate between running for the sake of pressure and tactical runs. I don't think you can see the difference TBH. As Ian mentioned his TEAM running to make space for the full back is as legendary as was his running to take defenders away from Torres or to run defenders into each other. Did you never wonder why Torres was always in space despite being the most dangerous striker in the league?

 

* sigh

 

Yes that's right, Kuyt's genius escapes me because I don't know football. The only thing legendary about Kuyt is his barnet.

 

Any player who can play as a striker, second striker, left and right winger and left and right inside forward. And do it well, cannot, I'm sorry, be an unintelligent player.

 

He doesn't do any of those things particularly well though does he? He's not a good striker nor is he a good winger, nor does he excel in any of the other positions you mention.

 

The constant lauding of players like Lucas and Kuyt for possessing qualities which are only apparent to a very select few of football aficionados upon close inspection of replays and opta stats is testimony to just how far we've fallen.

 

If a player is good, the fact he is good will be obvious to everyone, it won't have to be pointed out via the use of numbers and obscure anecdotal evidence from single matches.

 

Besides which, even if he is somehow gifted at creating space, isn't the fact you're highlighting it an indictment of his ability? If a manager told me he needed me on the pitch because I was good at drawing away players so the ones with real ability could do some damage, I'd be pretty fucking offended.

 

The fact I should have to justify why Kuyt is a poor player vexes me, I am terribly vexed.

[Captain]

You don't have to justify it Section, those of us who know our football need no justification.

 

*taps nose*

[Iantn]

Section, his main role is not to make space but it is a part of his game that makes him a valuable inclusion.

 

He wouldn't be starting week in, week out next season but he'll have a huge part to say because he is a good footballer.

[Delmar]

* sigh

 

Yes that's right, Kuyt's genius escapes me because I don't know football. The only thing legendary about Kuyt is his barnet.

 

 

 

He doesn't do any of those things particularly well though does he? He's not a good striker nor is he a good winger, nor does he excel in any of the other positions you mention.

 

The constant lauding of players like Lucas and Kuyt for possessing qualities which are only apparent to a very select few of football aficionados upon close inspection of replays and opta stats is testimony to just how far we've fallen.

 

If a player is good, the fact he is good will be obvious to everyone, it won't have to be pointed out via the use of numbers and obscure anecdotal evidence from single matches.

 

Besides which, even if he is somehow gifted at creating space, isn't the fact you're highlighting it an indictment of his ability? If a manager told me he needed me on the pitch because I was good at drawing away players so the ones with real ability could do some damage, I'd be pretty fucking offended.

 

The fact I should have to justify why Kuyt is a poor player vexes me, I am terribly vexed.

 

It looks to me, as you eloquently pointed out yourself, you do not know football (that was easy, you had it coming). Anyway, if something is not obvious to someone, the rest of the world is wrong? Of course. Keep on being terribly vexed and get used to it, as Kuyt is apparently about to get a new contract...

 

Football is a team sport, with different roles for different players, depending on the manager's needs for a specific match. Let's see what Dalglish does with Kuyt (play him, a new contract or not), I'll leave the real judgment to him.

[piscinin]

* sigh

 

Yes that's right, Kuyt's genius escapes me because I don't know football. The only thing legendary about Kuyt is his barnet.

 

 

So you've ignored all the footballing points and made a wisecrack about his haircut and you wonder why people react the way they. Do you not agree he makes those tactically astute runs? If so, say so, say why.

 

He doesn't do any of those things particularly well though does he? He's not a good striker nor is he a good winger, nor does he excel in any of the other positions you mention.

 

World cup well? Highlight reel well? Carrying a piano well? Well, within the constraints of his obvious technical weaknesses?

 

The constant lauding of players like Lucas and Kuyt for possessing qualities which are only apparent to a very select few of football aficionados upon close inspection of replays and opta stats is testimony to just how far we've fallen.

 

I think you'll find that Kuyt's qualities are obvious to more than just geeks. People with actual experience of football beyond rhetoric on forums that win things like European cups and league titles see those qualities too.

 

If a player is good, the fact he is good will be obvious to everyone, it won't have to be pointed out via the use of numbers and obscure anecdotal evidence from single matches.

 

For real?!?!?!?!?

 

And surely if he is bad it will be obvious to everyone.

 

Besides which, even if he is somehow gifted at creating space, isn't the fact you're highlighting it an indictment of his ability? If a manager told me he needed me on the pitch because I was good at drawing away players so the ones with real ability could do some damage, I'd be pretty fucking offended.

 

If you weren't as good as the other guy and he was the striker and you were a midfielder then you would do what is right for the TEAM. That's why Kuyt doesn't flounce around when asked to play left, right, midfield, etc. Unlike some others he puts the team first. He's not offended, he's a proper socialist like.

 

At the end of the day only one player can have the ball at a time. That means 10 players need to be doing "other shit". Kuyt excels at that "other shit". C'est la vie.

 

The fact I should have to justify why Kuyt is a poor player vexes me, I am terribly vexed.

 

Making the case that Kuyt is poor technically is not vexing. It's easy. Making the case that he is unintelligent will vex you until your dying days.

[Gym Beglin]

So Lucas played really well and Adam had a shocker.

 

Straw poll of all 20 Premiership managers tomorrow, how many would pick Lucas over Adam if they had the choice to have one or the other?

 

International football is slow and that suits Lucas right down to the ground.

[piscinin]

So Lucas played really well and Adam had a shocker.

 

Straw poll of all 20 Premiership managers tomorrow, how many would pick Lucas over Adam if they had the choice to have one or the other?

 

International football is slow and that suits Lucas right down to the ground.

 

And they have the types of players and use tactics that suit him too.

 

I suspect he will move on this summer for that reason (and the fact that the Brazil manager wants him to play more than just a defensive role).

[Il Fenomeno]

So Lucas played really well and Adam had a shocker.

 

Straw poll of all 20 Premiership managers tomorrow, how many would pick Lucas over Adam if they had the choice to have one or the other?

 

International football is slow and that suits Lucas right down to the ground.

 

He's no Barry Ferguson, that's for sure.

[Code]

And they have the types of players and use tactics that suit him too.

 

I suspect he will move on this summer for that reason (and the fact that the Brazil manager wants him to play more than just a defensive role).

 

He did fuck all going forward for Brazil today from what I saw, in fact if he had not been our player you would hardly notice him at all.

[Iantn]

So Lucas played really well and Adam had a shocker.

 

Straw poll of all 20 Premiership managers tomorrow, how many would pick Lucas over Adam if they had the choice to have one or the other?

 

International football is slow and that suits Lucas right down to the ground.

 

One played well as the sitter in the side that had about 65% possesion. One didn't play well in a struggling side when asked to anchor the midfield.

 

I don't want us to get rid of Lucas and have defended the lad a lot over the years but today's performance, like most on-off games, needs to be taken with a degree of circumstance.

[Iantn]

He did fuck all going forward for Brazil today from what I saw, in fact if he had not been our player you would hardly notice him at all.

 

Team performance, Code. Not everyone has to do everything.

[usernameunknown]

He did fuck all going forward for Brazil today from what I saw, in fact if he had not been our player you would hardly notice him at all.

 

He got forward and put in a cross that Brazil should have had a penalty from for handball by Caldwell, put Alves in on goal in the second half but Alves miscontrolled the ball horribly and did some other bits and pieces. So, wrong again.

[stringvest]

Kuyt isn't an intelligent footballer, not by a long shot. He does unquestionably do a lot of running but most of it is wasted energy. How many times has he had applause for chasing down the goalie when everyone knows the keeper is going to launch the ball long before he gets there. He does that all over the pitch, he makes token runs at people and it's more than often completely futile. Shit like that doesn't wow me to be quite honest.

 

This is absolutely true. I've never known a more stupid footballer in terms of chasing causes which are palpably lost, and chasing down, but rarely putting under pressure, opposition defenders. Let not the odd occasion when he gets it right deflect from the overwhelming number of times he doesn't. If he used his energy more intelligently he's be a far more effective player.

 

Still wouldn't be good enough though ;)

[Coro]

Comedy gold.

[stringvest]

And they have the types of players and use tactics that suit him too.

 

I suspect he will move on this summer for that reason (and the fact that the Brazil manager wants him to play more than just a defensive role).

 

I'm sure he'll find huge success somewhere else with a team set up to accommodate him. I've heard he was a good player going forward for Gremio. He just isn't a great player for us, with our set up and our approach. I've got a lot of time for his attitude, and I have never heard him be anything but positive about his predicament and his club. I just don't think, that even when playing to his strengths, he has the quality we need. He's not quick thinking enough, for one thing.

[King Emlyn]

Kuyt and Lucas.... Always a difficult one because I love their attitude and we would be a far better side if most of the squad had even half of it. That said they're not really very good and I reckon Section, Stringy and Code have it about right unfortunately.

[stringvest]

Not see all the comments about Parker after the game at West Ham the other week?

 

If I did I can't remember them. Were people wanting to swap Lucas for Parker, or saying that Lucas is miles better than him?

[corro]

Kuyt and Lucas.... Always a difficult one because I love their attitude and we would be a far better side if most of the squad had even half of it. That said they're not really very good and I reckon Section, Stringy and Code have it about right unfortunately.

 

Agree with this as over the years both have frustrated the life out of me.

Watching Lucas today the thing that pisses me off is his lack of movement to create space for himself to take the ball off the back four ( something that Xabi is peerless at.) Even today with the piss poor opposition.

At kick off for the last few years i have said to myself " come on son show yourself today and shut these crying cunts up but only occasionally has it happened.

He's had a decent season but i wonder if he will move on as a slower game would suit him. Then again he could continue to improve and become a top player but i have my doubts.

Dirk was in burger king in town last week and asked the girl for 2 whoppers, she said you're a good looking cunt and your first touch is shit hot.

I love him though and will be a decent squad player for next season

[Iantn]

If I did I can't remember them. Were people wanting to swap Lucas for Parker, or saying that Lucas is miles better than him?

 

Parker > Lucas, was the gist of it. It was even mooted that if we'd have signed Parker in the summer and sold Lucas, we'd be challenging closer for the top 4 than we currently are.