Liverpool John Moores University...anyone know anything about it?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I had to change it as had written a typo, my mistake we do actually agree if you read it again.

 

Ah, sorry, I was a bit quick off the mark.

 

But, to answer this question:

 

But at the same time do you think the people who go to the top universities would be able to do the jobs that the people that go to JMU would?

 

Yeah, of course they could do the same job. Whether they want to or not is the important question.

[R Kid]

Ah, sorry, I was a bit quick off the mark.

 

But, to answer this question:

 

 

 

Yeah, of course they could do the same job. Whether they want to or not is the important question.

 

I don't think it's a simple case of being able to achieve the academic standards, it's more a case of having the personal atributes that enables these people to do the jobs. And by that I mean would they be accepted by society and vice versa?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I don't think it's a simple case of being able to achieve the academic standards, it's more a case of having the personal atributes that enables these people to do the jobs. And by that I mean would they be accepted by society and vice versa?

 

Not everybody that goes to a top uni is a spotty little geek, you know?

[R Kid]

An example would be, could someone doing somethng like sociology at cambridge who grew up in the stock broker belt Surrey, be able to work as a social worker in inner city Liverpool? Who would you thing would do the job better someone from Liverpool or someone from a sheltered back ground, it's a very vague example but it illustrates my point.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

An example would be, could someone doing somethng like sociology at cambridge who grew up in the stock broker belt Surrey, be able to work as a social worker in inner city Liverpool?

 

It just depends on the person.

 

Who would you thing would do the job better someone from Liverpool or someone from a sheltered back ground, it's a very vague example but it illustrates my point.

 

It's a weak point in my opinion. It depends on the person.

 

None of this has much to do with better Universities or better department, though.

[R Kid]

Not everybody that goes to a top uni is a spotty little geek, you know?

 

Well maybe then someone who can achieve high academic standards will be unhappy at doing one of the lower end jobs, but someone who still has a brain but couldn't achieve the high standards would be very happy doing that job so as a result they would do the job better.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Again, I'm missing your point. Just say what you're trying to say, mate.

[R Kid]

It just depends on the person.

 

 

 

It's a weak point in my opinion. It depends on the person.

 

None of this has much to do with better Universities or better department, though.

 

Well back to my original point, LJMU isn't trying to get academic high flyers that is the job of other uni's. LJMU is looking for people who it can help not for people who don't want to go there.

[R Kid]

Again, I'm missing your point. Just say what you're trying to say, mate.

 

Plain and simple then people who go to JMU are happy with their choice, people who would go to oxbridge or Liverpool Uni wouldnt be happy would they.

 

People who go to LJMU know they can't go to a better uni and they are fine with that so they get their degree from JMU get a job and are happy as a pig in shit.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Plain and simple then people who go to JMU are happy with their choice, people who would go to oxbridge or Liverpool Uni wouldnt be happy would they.

 

People who go to LJMU know they can't go to a better uni and they are fine with that so they get their degree from JMU get a job and are happy as a pig in shit.

 

It's fine if that's the best they can achieve. I'm not pretending those from top universities are better people or are worth more. They might well have a higher level of intellect and have learnt at a better establishment, but that doesn't mean they are worth more.

 

In fact, that education often leads to the opposing thought. I believe firmly in equality. It would benefit me not to, but it's a core belief.

[Salou]

Go to Uni of Liverpool...much better you all know it.

 

Must clarify that this was said without adding the provisos that yes as has been mentioned it does depends on the course/teaching etc (and that I was just being a bit of snobby twat in jest, I wasn't trying to belittle LJMU or those that study there at all...though there is that general attitude towards JMU from those who go to UoL)

 

In terms of the Law Degree at LJMU, I've just finished Law at UoL and have talked to quite a few doing the degree at JMU and must say the teaching and examinations do seem to differ quite a lot and though I say it myself I do think we were challenged much more from what was said at UoL and the teaching overall seemed to better judging from comments made about the tutors.

[Hair Police]

Must clarify that this was said without adding the provisos that yes as has been mentioned it does depends on the course/teaching etc (and that I was just being a bit of snobby twat in jest, I wasn't trying to belittle LJMU or those that study there at all...though there is that general attitude towards JMU from those who go to UoL)

 

In terms of the Law Degree at LJMU, I've just finished Law at UoL and have talked to quite a few doing the degree at JMU and must say the teaching and examinations do seem to differ quite a lot and though I say it myself I do think we were challenged much more from what was said at UoL and the teaching overall seemed to better judging from comments made about the tutors.

 

Hello. What you say is fair. Having discussed this with the opening poster, we are both somewhat agreed that the current LJMU standing for law-as per the Guardian statistics-is slightly misleading. I'm not suggesting that LJMU be held in a similar esteem to any university, to be honest. I do believe, though, that it is making progress as an institution in several areas. I am working with a vast array of information about the university. I was, until today, unaware of its low ranking. I have explained some of the comments I made earlier--as I am sure you are aware. Thank you.

[Unrighteous]

This thread has turned into a real fucking downnote. You lot seem to forget that most of the graduates haven't got a clue what to do when they get their job and learn on the go how to do it.

 

A JMU graduate could do an Oxford graduate's job, and probably just as well if they apply themselves to the same degree. Get over yourselves.

[Antynwa]

Some bullshit in this thread, full of pompus cunts but here we go.

 

I left High School in 2007, I could have went to KGV College, one of the best in the NW but they wanted me to take one more course than what I wanted, and I wouldn't be able to earn some money alongside it, due to the fact I'd have to travel to and from Southport every day, 9 to 5. I ended up going to Liverpool Community College done A BTEC National Diploma the equivalent of 3 A Levels in IT, and got the equivalent of 3 A's and got 360 UCAS Points. I didn't get EMA but earned the equivalent working a day a week.

 

I could have went to many Universities across the country, including the best IT one in Sussex I think. But my own personal circumstances and the fact I didn't want to be saddled with debt meant that the easiest choice for me was to go to LJMU, it's local, I can live at home rent free, and have some wheels to get me from A to B. I have just finished my first year and got an average of 71% which is borderline 2:1 and 1st.

 

Personally I think the facilities are spot on at LJMU and despite one part of the city campus being modern, and the other being stuck in a time warp, I've been lucky that 6/7 lecturers where actually half decent.

 

I intend to do a PGCE(SP) in teaching IT and do a masters alongside it at Edge Hill.

 

People who go to LJMU know they can't go to a better uni and they are fine with that so they get their degree from JMU get a job and are happy as a pig in shit.

 

In short, go fuck yourself. The Uni isn't the best, and no there isn't people in there taking Uni as seriously as me. But don't go taring people with the same brush.

[R Kid]

 

 

In short, go fuck yourself. The Uni isn't the best, and no there isn't people in there taking Uni as seriously as me. But don't go taring people with the same brush

 

Erm wait there a minute I am not slagging JMU off, I was defending the university and and was also speaking from the personal experience of people I know who have gone there.

 

Who was the first person in this thread to stop all the JMU slagging, it was me, I do appologise if you got the wrong end of the stick but I wasn't bashing JMU.

 

In my experience the peopel I know who have gone to JMU wouldn't have got in UoL or if they would they wouldn't have enjoyed it because of the students that go there. I wouldn't mind so much but you haven'teven said anything to anyone that has slated the uni.

 

So in short you go fuck yourself!!!!!!!

[Antynwa]

You said that people from LJMU go to LJMU because they know they can't get to a better Uni?

 

Am I supposed to agree with you or some shit?

[R Kid]

You said that people from LJMU go to LJMU because they know they can't get to a better Uni?

 

Am I supposed to agree with you or some shit?

 

 

What I weas talking about but the point I was making got lost because iwas trying to explain myself and I have probably done a bad job of it.

 

If you read all my posts on this thread then you will see that I said that people get up themselves over higher eduacation. People go to LJMU because it is the best uni and the right uni for them.

 

People are bandning stats around and I pointed out that the stats are not worth a wank cause like I stated the uni is the correct uni for them for what ever reason, so the stats are a waste of space.

 

The people I know who have gone there would not be able to go to Oxford or Cambridge but they got what they wanted out of JMU.

 

Now I do apologise and I do see the error of what I said in generalising people, but like I said I was being pushed into anexplanation and in turn I gave a bad example.

[Antynwa]

Fair enough dude

[Section_31]

I went to both Liverpool Uni and John Moores and can honestly say JMU was better IMO. A lot of universities just live off their rep, but as I said earlier on the thread, there were a lot of people on my course at Liverpool who'd come through clearing, mostly posh but who were just looking to socialise with the working class and had shit for brains. Lot of snobbery and disdain from the staff too, you'd turn up for a seminar and it'd be cancelled because they'd fucked off to a conference and nobody had seen fit to warn you.

 

People who slag off universisties they have no experience of to try and make themselves feel better have got some insecurity issues IMO.

[Johnni]

I think Uni's are based so much on rep rather than experience and its hard for a uni to change that rep. In this case LJM being a former poly will always have that over its head but uni's improve while some get worse.

More importantly its the department standards you should look at rather than the uni as a whole as some good unis have shit departments yet people apply to them cos the uni as a whole is seen as a top uni but you will go there and wish you did'nt.

I reckon employers wont really take notice what uni you went to apart from certain career areas that are more competitive and if you went to Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial. If i got a 1st at LJM and someone else got a 2:1 at Liverpool the employer wont see them as the same level i feel.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Lot of snobbery and disdain from the staff too

 

Snobbery from those at Liverpool Uni? What have they got to be snobbish about?

 

People who slag off universisties they have no experience of to try and make themselves feel better have got some insecurity issues IMO.

 

Who is slagging of any uni here? Surely it's only right to judge them, when you have no first hand knowledge, from the rankings?

[Section_31]

Snobbery from those at Liverpool Uni? What have they got to be snobbish about?

 

 

 

Who is slagging of any uni here? Surely it's only right to judge them, when you have no first hand knowledge, from the rankings?

 

It wasn't aimed at anyone, I haven't read most of the thread, but there's a lot of it out there. If you get into a top uni with good grades - good for you - why pass comment on anyone else's path or life?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

It wasn't aimed at anyone, I haven't read most of the thread, but there's a lot of it out there. If you get into a top uni with good grades - good for you - why pass comment on anyone else's path or life?

 

Any degree is worth a pat on the back as far as I'm concerned. However, when people as you what a Uni is like, I wouldn't describe and honest answer as passing comment on other people. It's just the Uni. We all know some are better than others. Whether that reflects upon the person is up to those doing the judging. I certainly wouldn't employ a complete cunt over a LJMU grad simply because he went to Oxford or Cambridge. Some of the most ignorant, self-absorbed people I've ever met went to Oxford or Cambridge.

 

Everybody is equal until they prove otherwise

[Antynwa]

Rankings meant fuck all to me, i just wanted to stay home because it was cheaper.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Rankings meant fuck all to me, i just wanted to stay home because it was cheaper.

 

That's great an' all, but they do mean quite a bit to some people. Some people want not to go to the closest, but to the best.