Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Didnt you broadly welcome Corbyns statement yesterday morning?

Not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but I called it a non-retraction retraction and that if he’d put that out instead of what he did - denials and deflections - it might have avoided this. I can only guess what’s actually going on as I’m not privy to the info. I’d wrongly assumed that this was agreed by all parties, but it clearly wasn’t. 

[Brownie]

25 minutes ago, Numero said:

Wait, what? Stuff leading to people dying is fine? 

MP’s who vote for illegal wars - fine, keep the whip.

 

MP’s who issue a questionably worded statement - down with this sort of thing, no whip for you. 
 

It’s just a very jarring comparison from a very basic standpoint.

[skend04]

Corbyn, rightly or wrongly is toxic. Corbyn knows or should know this having not won a single election in 4 years. Corbyn should step down as MP because he's nothing but a distraction from the party. It's not that difficult, yet he hangs on because he sees nothing wrong in what he has done or has failed to do.

 

Genuinely pathetic that people can't see this and they're pitching their left wing flags to a bloke rather than policies or the chance to govern and get policies enacted rather than piss and moan on social media for another decade.

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, Numero said:

Not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but I called it a non-retraction retraction and that if he’d put that out instead of what he did - denials and deflections - it might have avoided this. I can only guess what’s actually going on as I’m not privy to the info. I’d wrongly assumed that this was agreed by all parties, but it clearly wasn’t. 

Well judging by your reaction yesterday morning I assumed you thought the Corbyn statement would be the conclusion to the matter, as did most people.

 

I'm not sure who you mean by "agreed between parties ? Starmer? Hodge? The Nec? The Unions? I'm not sure they were allowed to interfere anyway because of the recommendations of the report.

 

I thought Starmer was unnecessarily over the top after the report and and I think his intervention today is unnecessary. The labour party is heading for a war which dosnt need to be fought.

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Corbyn, rightly or wrongly is toxic. Corbyn knows or should know this having not won a single election in 4 years. Corbyn should step down as MP because he's nothing but a distraction from the party. It's not that difficult, yet he hangs on because he sees nothing wrong in what he has done or has failed to do.

 

Genuinely pathetic that people can't see this and they're pitching their left wing flags to a bloke rather than policies or the chance to govern and get policies enacted rather than piss and moan on social media for another decade.

Shouldn't the constituents of islington have the final say on who should be their elected member of parliament? 

 

Edit. Especially as he won his seat by about 20.000 odd votes

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Shouldn't the constituents of islington have the final say on who should be their elected member of parliament? 

They will do at the by-election...

[skend04]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Shouldn't the constituents of islington have the final say on who should be their elected member of parliament? 

Yeah of course.

[Strontium]

This is what Starmer is up against, all he did was visit a synagogue but the comments... wow.

 

 

[Anubis]

Shithouse move from Starmer. No other way to describe it.

[Gnasher]

20 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

They will do at the by-election...

That'll look great on the Labour party that one. 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

But a split without a prior change to the voting system would just mean they'd hand most of their seats to the Tories.

 

It would be catastrophic if it happened without a PR system. We already have this problem in many seats with votes chopped up between Labour, Lib Dem and Green, allowing the Tories to win seats with 35%/40% of the vote.

 

My own constituency, which admittedly has a Tory majority anyway, has had a fairly even split between Labour and Lib Dem in second place, preventing any meaningful challenge to the incumbent Tory cunt. Imagine what would happen if Labour split in half. It would decimate the amount of seats they have.

 

We need a PR voting system, then they can split, and then coalitions can form once in government. And it would be far more democratic. You'd never have to vote for a party with Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin in it ever again. 

 

And the control over what are deemed the acceptable parameters of economic and political debate would be extended.

 

To be honest, if we had a PR system I'd probably just vote Green anyway.

 

For some stupid reason I'd forgot about that. It's insane to think that trying to get an alternative party going means Tories would almost definitely be in power for a good while to come, especially when you add in the factor of the media siding with the main parties and spewing out whatever propaganda they can to preserve the current system.

 

Maybe this country really is fucked for a good while to come because those idiots in parliament clearly aren't voting for PR any time soon.

[sir roger]

26 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

This is what Starmer is up against, all he did was visit a synagogue but the comments... wow.

 

 

Fuck sake, I hope he cleared that with the BoD and JVL and confirmed that he never spoke to any of the wrong type of jewish people while he was there.

[Gnasher]

 

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, Numero said:

I'm guessing (again) that Starmer was hoping they'd have booted him so he didn't have to take these measures. Thing is, I think the findings of that report are pretty damning and I suspect that it's as much about that as Corbyn's numerous fuck-ups in response to it. This is such a mess. Got some balls on him, though. Right or wrong, he hasn't hidden. 

Wasn't one of the main findings of the EHRC that political interference was a massive no-no or maybe they said it showed big balls can't remember now ? 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

45 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well judging by your reaction yesterday morning I assumed you thought the Corbyn statement would be the conclusion to the matter, as did most people.

 

I'm not sure who you mean by "agreed between parties ? Starmer? Hodge? The Nec? The Unions? I'm not sure they were allowed to interfere anyway because of the recommendations of the report.

 

I thought Starmer was unnecessarily over the top after the report and and I think his intervention today is unnecessary. The labour party is heading for a war which dosnt need to be fought.

I thought his reply after the report was about perfect. I’m surprised he chose to withdraw the whip, so that’s interesting but I guess we will see how it plays out. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Wasn't one of the main findings of the EHRC that political interference was a massive no-no or maybe they said it showed big balls can't remember now ? 

 

He didn’t politically interfere with the process. Not sure where that’s coming from. 

[Gnasher]

37 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

This is what Starmer is up against, all he did was visit a synagogue but the comments... wow.

 

 

 

This could be the unfortunate outcome. False allegations causing resentment against innocent people. The level of anti semitism in the labour party is no worse than any other political party, it's all transparent bullshit.

 

The likes of Hodge, Rilley, Jess Phillips are not the ones who have to deal with the fallout from the political games. 

 

Anyone for a musical interlude?

 

 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Numero said:

I thought his reply after the report was about perfect. I’m surprised he chose to withdraw the whip, so that’s interesting but I guess we will see how it plays out. 

His reply after the report was fine until he made it a condition that no one shall be allowed to pass comment on the amount of anti semitism in the labour party. It was a ridiculous caveat and the result is troublesome if not unsurprising.

[sir roger]

To be fair you are  correct he didn't interfere with the process , he just decided he disagreed with it and overrode it.

 

Looking on the bright side it could save the party a fortune, just get Sir Keir and Marie Van Der Zyl in a room once a month, bish bash bosh.

[Stickman]

 

[Gnasher]

So this also means the 34 thousand or so people who voted Labour in Nth London have temporarily no mp to represent them in Parliament? Or dont they matter? And for what?

 

This is an out and out shitshow.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Gnasher said:

So this also means the 34 thousand or so people who voted Labour in Nth London have temporarily no mp to represent them in Parliament? Or dont they matter? And for what?

 

This is an out and out shitshow.

They have an MP? It’s the same one they voted for. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Numero said:

They have an MP? It’s the same one they voted for. 

I thought Corbyn is no longer an mp and cannot vote or take part in parliament? 

[Creator Supreme]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I thought Corbyn is no longer an mp and cannot vote or take part in parliament? 

He's sitting as an Independent apparently.

[Bruce Spanner]

With the whip removed he becomes independant.