Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[moof]

6 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

CBI saying Labour’s plan to renationalise would cost 200bn. Labour calling it incoherent scaremongering from a group wanting to look after their shareholders rather than create a fair economy. They didn’t say how it was incoherent.
 

Whichever way you look at it, It going to cost a fucking lot of money. I think it would only result in marginally better outcomes. That’s why I said it shouldn’t be a priority. It’s not that I wouldn’t want some of it back in public hands, it’s that the sheer cost and benefits make it something that’s not as important as many other things. 
 

What I would like to hear, from those who do think spending so much on the likes of Royal Mail is the priority for the next government, is how much benefit we will get from the spend, and why that money isn’t better spent elsewhere. Unless the plan is to spend on everything we need, at the same time, then the word priority suggests it’s more important that this money goes in that rather than, say, hospitals, schools, policing, scientific research, social welfare programs, business support, etc. 

Half the price it cost to bail out the banks, we would own the assets as opposed to tax dodging profiteers and shareholders, all profits go back into the economy etc. I think the benefits are quite clear and wide ranging 

 

CBI also added 30% premium to the value of assets, so the headline figure is probably a bit misleading anyway

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Jeremy Corbyn is the enemy of the Jews, the Hindus and the Muslims, if you listen to the right. 

 

Maajid Nawaz is not "the right".

 

Did you actually read Dr Ibrahim's thread or article? Do you have any comment on his conclusions?

[moof]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Maajid Nawaz is not "the right".

 

Did you actually read Dr Ibrahim's thread or article? Do you have any comment on his conclusions?

Lol

[Jairzinho]

Corbyn hates everyone. Fact.

[TheHowieLama]

He is the classic passive-aggressive. And divisive.

[aRdja]

15 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Corbyn hates everyone. Fact.

The progressive liberal anti-semitic fascist.

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

People will allotments mostly grow hate.

[Leyton388]

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

19 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

People will allotments mostly grow hate.

Didn't he turn up to a Jewish festival with a gift of homegrown beetroot?

 

Fucking beetroot!

 

That's a hate-crime if ever I saw one.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Leyton388 said:

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

Boris Johnson approves this message.

[Leyton388]

18 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Boris Johnson approves this message.

Fuck the Tories and the lib dems. They're all as bad as each other. 

[Creator Supreme]

20 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

Well said Hilary!

[moof]

33 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

What’s your alternative? 

[Anubis]

UKIP....

[Jairzinho]

50 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

Spot on, mate. UKIP for me.

[SilverSong]

50 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

Despite not being an entrenched hereditary Labour voter I have however only ever voted Labour and will likely continue to do so based on alignment with my core beliefs. Additionally I am neither a self serving cnut or driven by some perverse sense of I'm alright jack so fcuk everyone else.

[TheHowieLama]

You seem incapable when spelling expletives -- worrying.

[Megadrive Man]

2 hours ago, Leyton388 said:

I've voted labour all my life but wont be voting for them again as they are an utter joke. 

Interestingly for the first time in my life I feel very strongly about supporting/voting Labour.

 

Specifically what is about the current party that you don't agree with?

[Leyton388]

1 hour ago, MegadriveMan said:

Interestingly for the first time in my life I feel very strongly about supporting/voting Labour.

 

Specifically what is about the current party that you don't agree with?

There are a few things but most importantly the anti semitic issues that have dogged the party, the thought of Dianne Abbott being home secretary and their weird brexit stance where they will negotiate a deal with the EU then campaign against their own deal in the event of a second referendum.

 

Also Corbyn has done nothing but want an election the past 2 years and said once the ben bill was passed labour would vote for an election and when the bill passed he still voted against one. 

 

I've got a feeling labour are going to be decimated in the GE with leave labour voters voting UKIP or the brexit party just like in the EU elections.

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

9 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

There are a few things but most importantly the anti semitic issues that have dogged the party, the thought of Dianne Abbott being home secretary and their weird brexit stance where they will negotiate a deal with the EU then campaign against their own deal in the event of a second referendum.

 

Also Corbyn has done nothing but want an election the past 2 years and said once the ben bill was passed labour would vote for an election and when the bill passed he still voted against one. 

 

I've got a feeling labour are going to be decimated in the GE with leave labour voters voting UKIP or the brexit party just like in the EU elections.

 

 

 

Take a look at Rachel Riley here. 

[cloggypop]

 

Ben Bill. Probably in Corbyn's allotment of evil. 

[TheHowieLama]

The left handed fella looks uncomfortable.

[Strontium]

22 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

 

Ben Bill. Probably in Corbyn's allotment of evil. 

 

Yep, he's just out of shot, sitting on that fence in the background. 

 

(With apologies to AoT)

[AngryOfTuebrook]

31 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

There are a few things but most importantly the anti semitic issues that have dogged the party,

All the evidence is that anti-Semitism is much less prevalent in Labour than in other parties (and, of course, than in society in general).  As far as I can tell, Labour is the only party that has made a concerted effort to fight anti-Semitism.

 

the thought of Dianne Abbott being home secretary

You might have to explain what your specific objection is.

 

and their weird brexit stance where they will negotiate a deal with the EU then campaign against their own deal in the event of a second referendum.

This is not Labour's stance.  

 

Also Corbyn has done nothing but want an election the past 2 years and said once the ben bill was passed labour would vote for an election and when the bill passed he still voted against one.

He has stated clearly and repeatedly that the first priority is to prevent a No Deal Brexit; then we will kick the Tories out. 

 

I've got a feeling labour are going to be decimated in the GE

Where have I heard that before?  We were 25 points behind going into the 2017 election.  We also had sitting MPs, members of the NEC and much of the central party apparatus refusing to campaign for a Labour win.  Despite those handicaps, we destroyed the Tories' majority.

 

31 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

with leave labour voters voting UKIP or the brexit party just like in the EU elections.

EU elections have never been a good predictor of General Elections.  They are low-turnout affairs, often used as protest votes and run under a different electoral system. I don't believe for a minute that large numbers of Labour voters are going to vote for a Parliamentary candidate either from a party whose leader wants to privatise the NHS or for a party that has fizzled into Fascism since 2016.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Yep, he's just out of shot, sitting on that fence in the background. 

 

(With apologies to AoT)

OK.

 

I'll rep that one.