Manc's. Anfield Sunday 23rd 1:30pm

[neopulian]

Borini wasnt brought in as Carroll's replacement. The manager wanted and expected to bring in a striker (Dempsey or Sturridge) when Carroll was shipped out. Sturridge was prepared to come here on a permanent deal but the owners wouldnt sanction the £15m transfer. They wouldnt sanction the £6m - £7m fee for dempsey either. Are you suggestting these events didnt happen?

 

Sturridge was prepared nothing. Liverpool wanted him on loan, he (and/or Chelsea) demanded permanent transfer. The price quote (20 mils) was out of our reach. The end. I've talked about Dempsey, I couldn't care less if FSG thought 6-10 mils were too expensive for him. He would only block the progress of the likes of Sterling and Suso, once those external cost were factored in, he'd be a lot more expensive than that.

 

Why do you think Rodgers moved on Maxi, Bellamy, Kuyt etc? The story about bellers is he wanted to be near his family. Are we sure? He's now separated from his wife what with the Speed suicide so just how close to family does he mean?

 

And you're calling me naive? Moving aging pros on high wages make complete economic sense for a team in rebuilding phase. Bello was in a deep depression, it's completely plausible that he wanted to be close to his family to work it out -- but things don't always work out.

 

Like I said, incredible naivety but do carry on. If the owners enforce incredibly low transfer fees to players especially strikers, then yes, you will find 'prolific' ones nigh on impossible to find.

 

I think it's more naive to expect a big transfer budget every summer for a serious football club (as opposed to prosthetic dick for vain billionaires) in downtrodden. We made big investments last year, we blew it. I don't find it unacceptable to be prudent while the club is still figuring out what's what. I'd rather endure a little short-term pain for long-term gain than papering over the cracks with money that we don't have.

[dennis tooth]

So anyone know where the munny we got off standard chartered and for wearing that hideous warrior jarg kit went?

 

Wheres the arteta money you cocksuckingpedophile owners?

[neopulian]

So anyone know where the munny we got off standard chartered and for wearing that hideous warrior jarg kit went?

 

Wheres the arteta money you cocksuckingpedophile owners?

 

Shouldn't it be up to the accusers to prove that the owners siphoning money off the club?

 

I don't have the financial report, I can't answer your question. My guess is that money went to plug the hole of operating cost that CL money once filled.

[G Richards]

Just finished watching the game. I'm really proud of our boys after that one. We played very well. We had the better chances and had them on the back foot for the first 65-70 mins. For the last 20 minutes the extra man made the most difference and they got on top. Shame.

 

Shelvey did well. It was never a red, but unfortunately he did give the ref a chance to give him a red, so Halsey obliged. Evans came in two footed and with a lot of venom too. It was a meaty challenge, the sort that these type of occasions have. A talking to for both players to settle down, plus at the worst a yellow for Shelvey, and that would have been well handled by the ref. But he gave the red and that was the first decisive moment in the game that went against us. I don't know what happened between Shelvey and Ferguson. Was there any previous? Or did Ferguson say anything? Whatever the story is there, it was nice to see our young player wagging his finger and shouting at the bitter old codger. This is the sort of fight that will help this club to rise up again. I know it didn't go in our way today but there were signs to be hopeful.

 

The second decisive moment that went against us was the penalty. Valencia went down and it wasn't even a foul. It was a dive. I half thought he would get a yellow card and I couldn't believe it that the penalty was given. Nice to see Suso get some time out there. The pass was too short - Agger got injured and they went off on the break to win the penalty, but the young lad will learn from that. I felt sorry for Pepe Reina as he almost kept it out.

 

I haven't read the thread yet so I'm not sure if anyone said anything about Brendan Rodgers. I loved what he said in his interview on BBC Sport, 'I don't have to tell my supporters how to behave.' It was a nice way to stand up for Liverpool fans and also have a little pop at Ferguson. I know it hasn't started well yet for Rodgers, but he is working hard and he seems to have a bit about him. It will come.

 

Most of our players did very well today, so it's hard to pick them out. Kelly was excellent. I hope his knee is OK.

 

The final word goes to the fans and the occasion. Our fans behaved impeccably. Man Utd fans let themselves down chanting throughout the tribute, though since it was our club song I can half understand, except not on this occasion. It was a sensitive day. They had received a pep talk from their own manager. And they still let themselves down. The stuff after the final whistle, 'always the victims...' was simply appalling. I hope this gets decent media coverage and the condemnation it deserves.

 

Finally, JFT96. The truth is out. It's shameful it has taken so long, but hopefully justice will not be too long now.

[Bernard Diomede]

I loved the occasion- but hated the result. Having Kenny back was an emotional shot in the arm for one and all.

 

Kelly and Gerrard impressed. Rodgers made a big mistake with the psychological preparation for Jonjo- he was wound up waiting to explode, and he did. A man management mistake from which Rodgers will learn. It’s hard enough winning with eleven- going down to ten makes a tough job even tougher.Equally, he needs to tell Suarez to shut up, and let his goals do the talking. Luis is getting to the stage where he is looking for excuses and reasons not to score.

 

Overall I didn’t think that we played that badly, but some familiar themes hang over the side with the persistence of Dalglish’s name echoing around the stadium. We do not have enough goalscorers in our team, Johnson is a brilliant attacking midfielder, but is not a specialist full back who always does get found out against the best, defensively, for all his attacking panache, and Agger can’t be relied upon to complete a season.

 

A 2-1 home defeat to Man U is no disgrace, and our next three games are the litmus test. I think we will all feel a little brighter then with much improved results. But the message to FSG, Ayre and Rodgers was clear today. Man u bought a 29 year old goal scorer- we didn’t, compare and contrast.

 

With all due respect mate some of that is spuds you have spoken there. Shelvey was sent off for a tackle in which he won the ball, and was the first meaningful tackle that he had contested in the game. How you make the leap to him being wound up and ready to explode is beyond me, and was certainly not what I saw. Like he said as well there was just no way he could pull out of it.

 

The Dalglish chants were clearly in reference to his monumental handling of the Hillsborough aftermath and were fitting given the occasion.

[dennis tooth]

What £80m for the stndy charty deal alone?

[KMD7]

With all due respect mate some of that is spuds you have spoken there. Shelvey was sent off for a tackle in which he won the ball, and was the first meaningful tackle that he had contested in the game. How you make the leap to him being wound up and ready to explode is beyond me, and was certainly not what I saw. Like he said as well there was just no way he could pull out of it.

 

The Dalglish chants were clearly in reference to his monumental handling of the Hillsborough aftermath and were fitting given the occasion.

 

Well said. Typical of Xerxes to misinterpret things

[neopulian]

What £80m for the stndy charty deal alone?

 

Over how many years? 4? 20 mils a year is just enough to pay the wages for 2 Joe Coles (after tax).

[Scouser Tommy]

One thing that is really driving me mad is the refereeing decisions against Suarez EVERY frickin week. The boy rides more bad tackles than anybody in the league yet has the reputation of being a diver. No TV channel spots the pattern. Referees have clearly made a collective decision to screw him over. He should have had at least 4 pens this year.

 

He doesn't help himself with his whinging but he has a lot to whine about.

[xerxes]

With all due respect mate some of that is spuds you have spoken there. Shelvey was sent off for a tackle in which he won the ball, and was the first meaningful tackle that he had contested in the game. How you make the leap to him being wound up and ready to explode is beyond me, and was certainly not what I saw. Like he said as well there was just no way he could pull out of it.

 

The Dalglish chants were clearly in reference to his monumental handling of the Hillsborough aftermath and were fitting given the occasion.

 

On your second para, that was never in doubt. On your first I disagree.

 

I was sitting in the lower Centenary, and Shelvey was like a man possessed.It made things easy for the ref,his behaviour after the card will seem to vindicate Halsey's decision too. Shelvey has done well in recent games for us, and England. But this sort of gameis a big step up for him- and Rodgers.It isn't enough at this level to play with passion and commitment, you have to play with your head too, and that means staying on the pitch.

 

I am not overly concerned, both player and manager are on a steep learning curve,they wil both learn.Progressing in the EL is far more important to us as a club at the moment than todays result -and that has been done.

[Nightcat]

The horrible owners need to go asap. The lying fruits left the newly appointed manager with two second strikers to the most balanced and toughest league in Europe.

 

Just tell me what would be the reactions if Moores-nevermind H&G- had sold Torres and Meirelis to our direct rivals or he had left Rafa with two second strikers to compete in the leagues.Yet Henry and the other joker get away with it.

2points and 18th in the league. Just sell you liars.

[gingerhulk]

Was downing injuried today?

 

Was a few occasions were Allen broke forward and looked really dangerous, can't wait to see him play further forward once Lucas is back.

 

Can't really add more to what has already been said. Fucked over by 3 game changing decisions, which all went in utds favour.

 

We desperately need to win a game ASAP, fucking obvious I know, but if we continue to play decent football and not pick up 3 points, we could see heads drop.

 

For me, last season showed how mentally weak we were and I'm hoping we don't fall back into that mindset, get a win at Norwich next week, a scrappy 1-0 win or a thumping 5-0, I'm not arsed, just want us to get that first 3 points.

 

Very proud of everyone associated with the club today, we knew it was going to be emotional and I think everyone can be proud of what they did today.

[WaltonRed]

Had we bought someone on deadline day we'd be higher up in the league i'm convinced of it

[Guest davelfc]

Had we bought someone on deadline day we'd be higher up in the league i'm convinced of it

 

Yep, me too. The only way they backed their man was into a corner.

[FanchesterCity]

Just watched the match...

 

Thought Liverpool looked by far the better team, especially first half, but even in the second half, Liverpool looked very good.

 

I thought the sending off was harsh. I can see why it was given, but I don't think it was done with any malice, looked like an over enthusiastic 50/50 challenge, yellow card and a serious talking to that it was close to a red. Probably a yellow for United too.

 

The scoreline wasn't a fair reflection... I think 1-0 to Liverpool would have more accurately reflected the game, but you don't need me to tell you how Lady Luck favours the FA's uber darlings.

 

The remembrance aspects LOOKED to be impeccably observed, but sickening after match footage paints a very sorry picture for United fans. We aren't talking one or two, but a considerable majority (admittedly, the element that will attend Liverpool v United are more likely to be 'extreme').

 

Rumours of an ejected Liverpool fan making plane gestures appear to be true, but it was one moron - and every club has them. To try and justify that moron's plane gesture as a valid catalyst for United's response would be laughable (were it not so sad).

 

I'd ban the Liverpool fan for life.

I'd ban every identifiable United fan seen chanting for life too.

 

The best team lost today, but paradoxically, I think the performance should give much hope for optimism.

[Baltar]

Lawro backing the ref against us, surprise surprise. Stupid fucking turncoat, does my head in when other MOTD panellists "humorously" imply that Lawrenson is biased towards us. He's anything but, the silly fucking rat.

[TheHowieLama]

It's probably just me, but Nightcat strikes me as the kind of fella you wouldn't want to go to war with.

[zigackly]

Rumours of an ejected Liverpool fan making plane gestures appear to be true

 

Evidence or fuck off.

[FanchesterCity]

I dont normally blame the ref, but fuck me his decisions today were abysmal.

 

Hope his cancer comes back.

 

What an absolute cunt he was.

 

You've totally forfeited your right to complain about United fans with that.

There are people who lost loved ones at Hillsborough and seen the victims names tainted for 23 years - yet NEVER did they lose their dignity. NEVER did they make a statement as perverse as that.

 

I expect you actually just feel gutted and spout something 'dramatic' like that without having any grasp of the gravity of it.

If you're anything of a man at all, you'll feel totally ashamed of yourself.

 

It was a game of football. He had a crap game.

[The Chef]

Lawro backing the ref against us, surprise surprise. Stupid fucking turncoat, does my head in when other MOTD panellists "humorously" imply that Lawrenson is biased towards us. He's anything but, the silly fucking rat.

 

I hate that fucker, big time.

[Cij]

Astonished by Lawrenson's comments on MOTD2 - "Halsey spot on; 10/10". How he can completely gloss over the two-footed challenge by Evans and ignore the other obviously controversial decisions is staggering. Many United fans are prepared to grudgingly admit they undeservedly got the benefit of every major decision today. What an absolutely laughable "analysis". Gary Neville, incredibly, provided a more balanced account on Sky.

 

As a club we need to start systematically challenging officials when they make poor decisions as there doesn't appear to be any accountability whatsoever. Suarez is routinely being denied legitimate penalty claims and that will have a profound impact on our final points haul if it goes unchecked. Rodgers should be putting more pressure on officials in his pre-match press conferences in order to set the tone. Repeatedly highlighting the lack of protection that Suarez receives and the harsh cards he is picking up. Referees are human and will be influenced by that type of thing. We can't depend on the media to call out referees even when they make appalling decisions.

[KopOut]

Only just seen an actual replay of the tackle now (admittedly thought it was a red live) firstly if anybody has committed a straight red offence it's Evans and secondly I don't see anything in that tackle which would even make Evans have a reason to roll around?

 

TV cameras with slow motion replays. Gotta hate 'em.

[Baltar]

Astonished by Lawrenson's comments on MOTD2 - "Halsey spot on; 10/10". How he can completely gloss over the two-footed challenge by Evans and ignore the other obviously controversial decisions is staggering. Many United fans are prepared to grudgingly admit they undeservedly got the benefit of every major decision today. What an absolutely laughable "analysis". Gary Neville, incredibly, provided a more balanced account on Sky.

 

As a club we need to start systematically challenging officials when they make poor decisions as there doesn't appear to be any accountability whatsoever. Suarez is routinely being denied legitimate penalty claims and that will have a profound impact on our final points haul if it goes unchecked. Rodgers should be putting more pressure on officials in his pre-match press conferences in order to set the tone. Repeatedly highlighting the lack of protection that Suarez receives and the harsh cards he is picking up. Referees are human and will be influenced by that type of thing. We can't depend on the media to call out referees even when they make appalling decisions.

You know, I hate to say it but Neville is probably one of the better 'pundits' on TV. Certainly better than the shower of shite on MOTD/

The BBC's best analyst (Lee Dixon) has jumped ship leaving dinosaurs like Lawrenson to bore us all with their nonsense.

[KopOut]

I'm sick to death of reading post after post blaming referees decisons on another loss.

 

Liverpool's STATURE was built on results. Nothing else builds stature. We are the greatest club in the history of the game because we won everything, and we kept on winning, even in the face of adversity.

 

We start winning, for the sake of continuity, or we lose another manager.

[Coro]

It's probably just me, but Nightcat strikes me as the kind of fella you wouldn't want to go to war with.

 

Cos he's Italian?