Rise of the far right in Europe.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Poor white British boy abused by Police. That'll go on the same site the bollocks about the supposed march in Liverpool was on. Surely he was hamming it up for effect? If not what a fucking tart.

[skend04]

I'm not justifying it, i'm saying that's the reality. In fact in the Bengal famine they found there was enough rice to go around but due to inflation the richer Bengali's were keeping it all for themselves and the poorest ones starved. That's not me saying that. That's the commission set up to investigate the causes of the famine.

Yeah right, a commission appointed in colonial India finds Indians to blame for Churchill's Denial Policy.

 

I'm sure Hitler probably had some commission blaming the Jews for getting gassed too.

[Boss]

Yeah right, a commission appointed in colonial India finds Indians to blame for Churchill's Denial Policy.

 

I'm sure Hitler probably had some commission blaming the Jews for getting gassed too.

 

Well, that's conjecture. The commission was set up and run by a Bengali Indian. 

[SasaS]

The British Empire vs what we have now...hmm that's a difficult choice. What do we have now? 

 

Jaguar = Indian

Rolls Royce = German

Triumph = German

Bentley = German

Lotus = Chinese

Mini = German

Cabury's = American

Walkers Crisps = American

Lea & Perrins Worchester Sauce = American

Tetley's Tea - Indian

Lyle's golden Syrup= American

Jaffa Cakes - Turkish

Harvey Nicols = Hong Kong

Sarson's Vinegar = Japanese

Kit Kat = Swiss

Marmite = Dutch

Financial Times - Japanese

London Evening Standard = Russian

House of Fraser = Chinese

Hartleys Jam = American

Manchester United = American

Liverpool Football Club = American

Hamley's = Chinese

Waterstones = American

Beefeater Gin = French

Newcastle Brown Ale = Danish

Harrods = Qatari

Arriva Buses - German

Thames Water = China

EDF = French 

GDF = French

Npower - German

Scottish Power = Spanish government

Arbellio - Dutch government

Keolis UK = French governement

Arriva UK Trains = German government

MTR = Hong Kong government

 

You could go on and on all day about the water companies and the gas companies. Our country has been hollowed out by free market obsessed globalists. We've got zero industry left and nothing left to be proud of. You pay your bus fare and it goes to the German government. You pay a train ticket you're paying the Dutch government - even the tolls are foreign owned. They must be laughing their arses off at us.

 

Factories have closed and jobs have been shipped off to foreign shores. Our industries got shut down because they weren't "profitable'. Trump's put a tariff on foreign imported steel to regrow it's fleeting steel industry.... and it will regrow. That's how you handle it - not just shut everything down and take a backhander from the fire sale.

 

These globalists have annihilated this country, far worse than any rhetoric or ideology that's gone before. They are traitors to this country. Look at the way the Chinese invest in their own companies. Elon Musk had to give up on making Solar panels as a commodity because the Chinese government invested hundreds of billions to make renewable energy sources cheaper. China shows categorically what happens when you continue to invest in your own infrastructure.

 

We have invested nothing. We own virtually nothing... and the stuff we do own these ideologues are feverishly trying to sell off with glee. So much so that we need our EU slave masters to come and run the country for us because there's nothing left. What a sad state of affairs. British Empire versus this.... don't make me laugh.

 

You can probably make a similar list for most countries in the world. German energy sector is increasingly owned by the Russians and even Russian companies are globalizing, state owned Rosneft is now 50 percent foreign owned (with BP as one of the main shareholders). Most of the world is united in the belief that everything is owned by foreigners.

 

I don't think you would want to live under Chinese economic and political model.

[Section_31]

Stuff being owned by foreign companies doesn't bother me as such, what does is the government bemoaning the notion of industries being state run, when in actual fact many of ours are state run- just by other states.

[skend04]

Well, that's conjecture. The commission was set up and run by a Bengali Indian.

The commission also refused to look at the Denial policy.

[skend04]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/neo-nazi-terror-group-accused-of-plotting-to-murder-labour-mp/11/06/

 

So this is the point where we start to get worried about white people. Anything I should look out for guys?

[cloggypop]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/neo-nazi-terror-group-accused-of-plotting-to-murder-labour-mp/11/06/

 

So this is the point where we start to get worried about white people. Anything I should look out for guys?

Bad wool accents from the look of it. Probably clothed by Sports Direct. Seem to hate women, more than likely due to their lack of success with them. This also explains the large number of bad nonces in the far right.

[Section_31]

Completely understand the Italian attitude to migrants, it's not like they have any experience of moving somewhere for a better life themselves.

 

 

"Rome (CNN) - A ship carrying more than 600 rescued migrants, including 123 unaccompanied minors and seven pregnant women, remained stranded in the Mediterranean Sea on Monday after Italy's new populist government refused to allow it to dock the day before, in a move described by rescuers as unprecedented."

[Pidge]

This is funny. Nazi salutes to crying like a baby in minutes.

 

https://twitter.com/barfi_culture/status/1005852011726802944?s=21

 

I look forward to his book.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The concentration camps set up towards the end of the Boer War were due to the Boer Guerrillas carrying out surprise raids on British controlled areas and killing civilians as well as our forces. The Irish famine was caused by the Irish over reliance on the potato as a crop and although the British were culpable of apathy towards the Irish they didn't cause the famine. The Bengal Famine happened during WW2 and obviously the money had to go on the war effort because we were getting the shit knocked out of us.

So, the Irish were just fussy eaters?

 

The Irish Famine was caused by the economic system, imposed by the imperial power, which forced over-reliance on one crop.

 

The concentration camps in South Africa were a means of collective punishment of a civilian population. The military actions of the Boer resistance don't justify the killing of civilian families.

 

During the Bengal Famine, huge amounts of rice were diverted to Europe. This is only the "obvious" thing to do if you accept that European lives are more important than Indian lives.

[Boss]

So, the Irish were just fussy eaters?

 

The Irish Famine was caused by the economic system, imposed by the imperial power, which forced over-reliance on one crop.

 

The Irish had food shortages countless times before the Potato Famine. The unemployment in Ireland was at a crazy high level and families - even though they were unemployed and had no money - churned out kids left, right and centre because of the Catholic Church and their policies opposing safe sex. 

 

A potato blight swept Europe in the years proceeding the famine and the Irish were told repeatedly to diversify their crops otherwise there would be a disaster. They steadfastly refused and doubled down on the potato... which made up 60% of their food supply.  

 

When the blight hit intervention schemes were set up by the British government. The Prime minister spent £100,000 to ship maize and corn into the county from America... but due to bad weather on the high seas and the Irish mills not being able to grind the grain it took longer than expected. 

 

The famine often gets misrepresented as being about Ireland having no food. It's not true. Ireland had plenty of wheat, dairy and meat. The cause of the famine was that the vast majority of the people were unemployed and had no money with which to buy food. It wouldn't have made a difference what food was available because they couldn't afford it. The Irish landlords were also culpable because they callously kicked out their own countrymen as soon as they defaulted on their rent... leaving them to die on the street. 

 

It's multifaceted. It's not just Britain = bad, Ireland = good. You have to preface all this with the knowledge that the Irish were in active rebellion against us, in fact the Irish were known for two things throughout the 1700 and 1800's and that was Famine and rebellion against the British. 

[SasaS]

It's multifaceted. It's not just Britain = bad, Ireland = good. You have to preface all this with the knowledge that the Irish were in active rebellion against us, in fact the Irish were known for two things throughout the 1700 and 1800's and that was Famine and rebellion against the British. 

 

 

And for persistently stealing Trevelyan's porn.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The Irish had food shortages countless times before the Potato Famine. The unemployment in Ireland was at a crazy high level and families - even though they were unemployed and had no money - churned out kids left, right and centre because of the Catholic Church and their policies opposing safe sex. 

 

A potato blight swept Europe in the years proceeding the famine and the Irish were told repeatedly to diversify their crops otherwise there would be a disaster. They steadfastly refused and doubled down on the potato... which made up 60% of their food supply.  

 

When the blight hit intervention schemes were set up by the British government. The Prime minister spent £100,000 to ship maize and corn into the county from America... but due to bad weather on the high seas and the Irish mills not being able to grind the grain it took longer than expected. 

 

The famine often gets misrepresented as being about Ireland having no food. It's not true. Ireland had plenty of wheat, dairy and meat. The cause of the famine was that the vast majority of the people were unemployed and had no money with which to buy food. It wouldn't have made a difference what food was available because they couldn't afford it. The Irish landlords were also culpable because they callously kicked out their own countrymen as soon as they defaulted on their rent... leaving them to die on the street. 

 

It's multifaceted. It's not just Britain = bad, Ireland = good. You have to preface all this with the knowledge that the Irish were in active rebellion against us, in fact the Irish were known for two things throughout the 1700 and 1800's and that was Famine and rebellion against the British. 

The bottom line is, the economic system imposed by the imperial power caused the famine.  It was not a natural disaster.  It was foreseeable and preventable. The British ruling class (and the Anglo-Irish aristocracy) didn't give enough of a fuck to prevent it or mitigate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

 

 

Catholics, the bulk of whom lived in conditions of poverty and insecurity despite Catholic emancipation in 1829, made up 80% of the population. At the top of the "social pyramid" was the "ascendancy class", the English and Anglo-Irish families who owned most of the land, and held more or less unchecked power over their tenants. Some of their estates were vast; for example, the Earl of Lucan owned over 60,000 acres (240 km²). Many of these landlords lived in England and were known as absentee landlords. The rent revenue—collected from "impoverished tenants" who were paid minimal wages to raise crops and livestock for export^[12]—was mostly sent to England...

 

According to the historian Cecil Woodham-Smith, landlords regarded the land as simply a source of income, from which as much as possible was to be extracted. With the Irish "brooding over their discontent in sullen indignation" (in the words of the Earl of Clare), the countryside was largely viewed by landlords as a hostile place in which to live, and absentee ownership was common; some landlords visited their property only once or twice in a lifetime, if ever.^[16] The rents from Ireland were generally spent elsewhere; an estimated £6,000,000 was remitted out of Ireland in 1842...

 

In 1845, 24% of all Irish tenant farms were of 0.4–2 hectares (1–5 acres) in size, while 40% were of 2–6 hectares (5–15 acres). Holdings were so small that no crop other than potatoes would suffice to feed a family. Shortly before the famine the British government reported that poverty was so widespread that one-third of all Irish small holdings could not support their families after paying their rent, except by earnings of seasonal migrant labour in England and Scotland.^[18] Following the famine, reforms were implemented making it illegal to further divide land holdings.^[19]

The 1841 census showed a population of just over eight million. Two-thirds of those depended on agriculture for their survival, but they rarely received a working wage. They had to work for their landlords in return for the patch of land they needed to grow enough food for their own families. This was the system which forced Ireland and its peasantry into monoculture, since only the potato could be grown in sufficient quantity. The rights to a plot of land in Ireland could mean the difference between life and death in the early 19th century...

 

The expansion of tillage led to an inevitable expansion of the potato acreage and an expansion of peasant farmers. By 1841, there were over half a million peasant farmers, with 1.75 million dependants. The principal beneficiary of this system was the English consumer.^[22]

The Celtic grazing lands of ... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonised ... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home ... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of ... Ireland ... pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. Eventually, cows took over much of Ireland, leaving the native population virtually dependent on the potato for survival.

[24]

The potato was also used extensively as a fodder crop for livestock immediately prior to the famine. Approximately 33% of production, amounting to 5,000,000 short tons (4,500,000 t), was normally used in this way...

 

Historian F. S. L. Lyons characterised the initial response of the British government to the early, less severe phase of the famine as "prompt and relatively successful".^[62]Confronted by widespread crop failure in November 1845, Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel purchased £100,000 worth of maize and cornmeal secretly from America... 

 

The measures undertaken by Peel's successor, Russell, proved comparatively inadequate as the crisis deepened. The new Whig administration, influenced by the doctrine of laissez-faire,^[71] believed that the market would provide the food needed, and they refused to intervene against food exports to England, then halted the previous government's food and relief works, leaving many hundreds of thousands of people without any work, money, or food.^[72] Russell's ministry introduced a new programme of public works that by the end of December 1846 employed some half million Irish and proved impossible to administer.  Charles Trevelyan, who was in charge of the administration of government relief, limited the Government's food aid programme because of a firm belief in laissez-faire.^[74] He thought that "the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson". The Public Works were "strictly ordered" to be unproductive—that is, they would create no fund to repay their own expenses. Many hundreds of thousands of "feeble and starving men", according to Mitchel, were kept digging holes and breaking up roads, which was doing no service...

 

Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food. In the magazine History Ireland (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool, and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women, and children died of starvation and related diseases... The problem in Ireland was not lack of food, which was plentiful, but the price of it, which was beyond the reach of the poor. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It's multifaceted. It's not just Britain = bad, Ireland = good. You have to preface all this with the knowledge that the Irish were in active rebellion against us, in fact the Irish were known for two things throughout the 1700 and 1800's and that was Famine and rebellion against the British. 

Also, if you're talking about our ancestors from 170 years ago, I think most of the people on here would count the Irish as "us".

[cloggypop]

Exactly. If it wasn't for potato famine most of us would be bad wools.

[stringvest]

Also, if you're talking about our ancestors from 170 years ago, I think most of the people on here would count the Irish as "us".

To be sure

[TheHowieLama]

Also, if you're talking about our ancestors from 170 years ago, I think most of the people on here would count the Irish as "us".

 

Except for them -- they wouldn't.

[Boss]

The bottom line is, the economic system imposed by the imperial power caused the famine.  It was not a natural disaster.  It was foreseeable and preventable. The British ruling class (and the Anglo-Irish aristocracy) didn't give enough of a fuck to prevent it or mitigate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

 

 

Catholics, the bulk of whom lived in conditions of poverty and insecurity despite Catholic emancipation in 1829, made up 80% of the population. At the top of the "social pyramid" was the "ascendancy class", the English and Anglo-Irish families who owned most of the land, and held more or less unchecked power over their tenants. Some of their estates were vast; for example, the Earl of Lucan owned over 60,000 acres (240 km²). Many of these landlords lived in England and were known as absentee landlords. The rent revenue—collected from "impoverished tenants" who were paid minimal wages to raise crops and livestock for export^[12]—was mostly sent to England...

 

According to the historian Cecil Woodham-Smith, landlords regarded the land as simply a source of income, from which as much as possible was to be extracted. With the Irish "brooding over their discontent in sullen indignation" (in the words of the Earl of Clare), the countryside was largely viewed by landlords as a hostile place in which to live, and absentee ownership was common; some landlords visited their property only once or twice in a lifetime, if ever.^[16] The rents from Ireland were generally spent elsewhere; an estimated £6,000,000 was remitted out of Ireland in 1842...

 

In 1845, 24% of all Irish tenant farms were of 0.4–2 hectares (1–5 acres) in size, while 40% were of 2–6 hectares (5–15 acres). Holdings were so small that no crop other than potatoes would suffice to feed a family. Shortly before the famine the British government reported that poverty was so widespread that one-third of all Irish small holdings could not support their families after paying their rent, except by earnings of seasonal migrant labour in England and Scotland.^[18] Following the famine, reforms were implemented making it illegal to further divide land holdings.^[19]

The 1841 census showed a population of just over eight million. Two-thirds of those depended on agriculture for their survival, but they rarely received a working wage. They had to work for their landlords in return for the patch of land they needed to grow enough food for their own families. This was the system which forced Ireland and its peasantry into monoculture, since only the potato could be grown in sufficient quantity. The rights to a plot of land in Ireland could mean the difference between life and death in the early 19th century...

 

The expansion of tillage led to an inevitable expansion of the potato acreage and an expansion of peasant farmers. By 1841, there were over half a million peasant farmers, with 1.75 million dependants. The principal beneficiary of this system was the English consumer.^[22]

The potato was also used extensively as a fodder crop for livestock immediately prior to the famine. Approximately 33% of production, amounting to 5,000,000 short tons (4,500,000 t), was normally used in this way...

The Celtic grazing lands of ... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonised ... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home ... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of ... Ireland ... pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. Eventually, cows took over much of Ireland, leaving the native population virtually dependent on the potato for survival.^[24]

 

Historian F. S. L. Lyons characterised the initial response of the British government to the early, less severe phase of the famine as "prompt and relatively successful".^[62]Confronted by widespread crop failure in November 1845, Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel purchased £100,000 worth of maize and cornmeal secretly from America... 

 

The measures undertaken by Peel's successor, Russell, proved comparatively inadequate as the crisis deepened. The new Whig administration, influenced by the doctrine of laissez-faire,^[71] believed that the market would provide the food needed, and they refused to intervene against food exports to England, then halted the previous government's food and relief works, leaving many hundreds of thousands of people without any work, money, or food.^[72] Russell's ministry introduced a new programme of public works that by the end of December 1846 employed some half million Irish and proved impossible to administer.  Charles Trevelyan, who was in charge of the administration of government relief, limited the Government's food aid programme because of a firm belief in laissez-faire.^[74] He thought that "the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson". The Public Works were "strictly ordered" to be unproductive—that is, they would create no fund to repay their own expenses. Many hundreds of thousands of "feeble and starving men", according to Mitchel, were kept digging holes and breaking up roads, which was doing no service...

 

Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food. In the magazine History Ireland (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool, and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women, and children died of starvation and related diseases... The problem in Ireland was not lack of food, which was plentiful, but the price of it, which was beyond the reach of the poor. 

 

You've used an article reiterating most of what I said. It was forseeable. The unemployment rate was very high. They were very poor. The initial response to the famine was good. The famine was not caused by a shortage of food it was caused by the inability of the poor to afford food because they had no jobs and no money. What have I said that contradicts any of that?

 

The British were callous in their policies from 1846 onwards but they did not cause the famine. Which was the whole point of this enforced famine rhetoric. It was not enforced. The British did not decide to poison the Irish crops. Their reaction was simply apathetic due to the political and social factors of the time. It was wrong what the British government did and Trevelyan was an arsehole. It was just a very very difficult thing to stop.

 

Millions of unemployed people without the means to buy any food. What do you do? If you divert all the aid to them you're not helping the fundamental problem which is their joblessness and poverty. They gave them menial jobs building roads and such but they were dying too quickly. Even the crops they brought in were making people ill and they were dying of dysentery. You say it was preventable. It was, if you factor in all the warning signs in the 100 years proceeding it, but preventable by 1845? very unlikely. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The point you're missing is that the underlying causes of the famine - the poverty, the unemployment, the distribution of land, the export of most of Ireland's food, the remittance to England of the money arising from those exports, the lack of investment, the over-reliance on a single crop - were all deliberate choices by the British. That's what we mean when we say the British caused it.

[s(k)aturation]

Also, if you're talking about our ancestors from 170 years ago, I think most of the people on here would count the Irish as "us".

 

 

And indeed some of "us" were "them"... especially "them" in charge.  

Like, for example, the bloke who defeated Napoleon.  And his brother who was Governor-General of India.  Them were both Irish.  So was Castlereagh.

By the time of the famine, the Ascendancy - through the plantations of the 16th-17th centuries - was over 200 years Irish-born.

"Them" Irish ascendant cunts were as cunty as the "us" English ones.

[Hades]

Yuval Noah Harari talks about this in his book Sapiens. You can't really be anti-imperialist because it's highly likely you're part of a genetic line that overthrew some other poor bastards a while ago.

[Rico1304]

If we are playing this game shouldn’t we be moaning about Germany?

[Boss]

The point you're missing is that the underlying causes of the famine - the poverty, the unemployment, the distribution of land, the export of most of Ireland's food, the remittance to England of the money arising from those exports, the lack of investment, the over-reliance on a single crop - were all deliberate choices by the British. That's what we mean when we say the British caused it.

 

I’m not missing it, I acknowledge it. And your right in what you say. I just question the malevolence of it. There’s no doubt Trevelyan’s decision to not intervene was disastrous and also his fundamental mistake in not stopping food exports from Ireland likewise, but everyone involved thought they were doing the right thing - even if they fucked it up.

 

Peel thought he was doing the right thing by sending emergency aid over immediately. It wasn’t his fault that the mills couldn’t process the grain or that it arrived late. Trevelyan genuinely believed that Peel giving cheap corn meal to the Irish was a mistake because it undercut market prices and had discouraged foreign importers from seeing the opportunity to make money by importing more food into Ireland.

 

The problem was the lack of money, not food. Even with the best will in the world, and the benefit of hindsight, hundreds of thousands would’ve died. The Catholic Church is as much responsible for the blight as anyone else. 

[PestiRed]

If we are playing this game shouldn’t we be moaning about Germany?

You mean like how they hold Oktoberfest in September so that by the time you’ve remembered it, you’ve missed it