Klopp: This season is not a true reflection of who we are

[TheHowieLama]

Not sure what has happened there re quoting

 

 

The right parts? Like the players he has signed over the last three windows?

Are we are waiting for someone else (Gordon) to find the right parts?

[3 Stacks]

There needs to be a real Director of Football. Whatever this succession thing we did from Edwards to Ward didn't work. 

[an tha]

10 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Not sure what has happened there re quoting

 

 

The right parts? Like the players he has signed over the last three windows?

Are we are waiting for someone else (Gordon) to find the right parts?

I believe 100% that the root of all our problems is midfield....and it has caused huge knock on effects in attack and defence.

 

Take today they are great at keeping ball and you have to work really hard to get it off them and cover spaces they make when they have it - once our legs in middle packed up as they usually do early in 2nd half they just took the piss - moving us and ball around at will....they knew it would happen and they knew it would result in them playing through us...and they knew we had nothing on bench to change it to any sort of good effect.

 

Teams outrun us in midfield nearly every week and play through us and around us.

 

Playing without an effective midfield without legs, mobility, energy and physicality that can't tackle/win challenges and can't press for more than about a half also creates two other problems, it puts a lot of pressure on the defence and exposes it and leaves it outnumbered and it isolates the attack.

Hopefully we buy some midfielders in summer who have the legs to play for 90 mins properly, who have mobility, good engines, physicality, can win tackles/balls and break up play and can stay fit for more than 5 mins.

 

It will go a long, long way to fixing us and helping compliment our strengths more again and have our weaknesses less exposed and reconnecting the team.

 

For some weird reason we have neglected to buy those correct parts for midfield for too long and kept the broken/unreliable and fragile ones too long and run the old worn ones into the ground.

 

 

 

 

[stringvest]

It's more than physical - almost all of those players starting the game today are mentally weak.  

[3 Stacks]

The recruitment in attack hasn't made sense either, until proven otherwise. Not all of them individually, but collectively. We're awful at the back as well. There are no certainties anywhere unless the attack and defense fix themselves and we recruit correctly in midfield. We saw this back 4 be great and maybe we can see it again but we have no proof of concept for this attack.

[Preston Red]

1 hour ago, Freddo said:

And he also needs to be ruthless and cull a load, if that’s Virgil or Mo or Trent then so be it. If he and his staff think the players attitudes aren’t right they need to get tough and get rid. 

Fully agree with this. That's how Ferguson kept winning, by shipping out players past their best or disruptive influences were shown the door.

 

We need Jürgen to follow suit

[VladimirIlyich]

9 minutes ago, an tha said:

I believe 100% that the root of all our problems is midfield....and it has caused huge knock on effects in attack and defence.

 

Take today they are great at keeping ball and you have to work really hard to get it off them and cover spaces they make when they have it - once our legs in middle packed up as they usually do early in 2nd half they just took the piss - moving us and ball around at will....they knew it would happen and they knew it would result in them playing through us...and they knew we had nothing on bench to change it to any sort of good effect.

 

Teams outrun us in midfield nearly every week and play through us and around us.

 

Playing without an effective midfield without legs, mobility, energy and physicality that can't tackle/win challenges and can't press for more than about a half also creates two other problems, it puts a lot of pressure on the defence and exposes it and leaves it outnumbered and it isolates the attack.

Hopefully we buy some midfielders in summer who have the legs to play for 90 mins properly, who have mobility, good engines, physicality, can win tackles/balls and break up play and can stay fit for more than 5 mins.

 

It will go a long, long way to fixing us and helping compliment our strengths more again and have our weaknesses less exposed and reconnecting the team.

 

For some weird reason we have neglected to buy those correct parts for midfield for too long and kept the broken/unreliable and fragile ones too long and run the old worn ones into the ground.

 

 

 

 

The simple answer is money. FSG are only prepared to let Klopp do a bit at a time and he reckoned scoring goals was the priority. The midfielders he wanted were outside his budget so he wasnt allowed to buy them. He plays championship manager with a championship budget.

[manwiththestick]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

Nunez and Gakpo really were two monumentally stupid signings. 

 

Could well finish Klopp, and us off. 

Behave yourself.

 

They are probably two of maybe six players that should be part of whatever the next phase of Klopp's team build is.

[TheHowieLama]

13 minutes ago, an tha said:

I believe 100% that the root of all our problems is midfield....and it has caused huge knock on effects in attack and defence.

 

Take today they are great at keeping ball and you have to work really hard to get it off them and cover spaces they make when they have it - once our legs in middle packed up as they usually do early in 2nd half they just took the piss - moving us and ball around at will....they knew it would happen and they knew it would result in them playing through us...and they knew we had nothing on bench to change it to any sort of good effect.

 

Teams outrun us in midfield nearly every week and play through us and around us.

 

Playing without an effective midfield without legs, mobility, energy and physicality that can't tackle/win challenges and can't press for more than about a half also creates two other problems, it puts a lot of pressure on the defence and exposes it and leaves it outnumbered and it isolates the attack.

Hopefully we buy some midfielders in summer who have the legs to play for 90 mins properly, who have mobility, good engines, physicality, can win tackles/balls and break up play and can stay fit for more than 5 mins.

 

It will go a long, long way to fixing us and helping compliment our strengths more again and have our weaknesses less exposed and reconnecting the team.

 

For some weird reason we have neglected to buy those correct parts for midfield for too long and kept the broken/unreliable and fragile ones too long and run the old worn ones into the ground.

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary - we need to run around a little more in the middle to make the defense less shite and the forwards to start burying chances.

 

And Klopp will accomplish this by bringing in a few new fellas?

[3 Stacks]

4 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

The simple answer is money. FSG are only prepared to let Klopp do a bit at a time and he reckoned scoring goals was the priority. The midfielders he wanted were outside his budget so he wasnt allowed to buy them. He plays championship manager with a championship budget.

The midfielder he wanted signed for Real Madrid and the other is only maybe leaving this summer and is followed by all the big clubs. Money had likely little to do with the former and is only one variable in the race for the other.

[stringvest]

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

We are a team who currently doesn't believe in themselves.

 

they're not the only ones.  Whatever personal crises they're going through, they should remember how much they're being paid to be professionals.  I think they're falling short of that description right now.

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

he reckoned scoring goals was the priority. 

So he got the first step wrong.

[niallers]

1 minute ago, Preston Red said:

Fully agree with this. That's how Ferguson kept winning, by shipping out players past their best or disruptive influences were shown the door.

 

We need Jürgen to follow suit

Stam,veron,Keane,van nistleroy, beckham,djemba djemba,all let go in their prime or just past it, and ruthlessly so.

Shanks held onto his first team too long and they went 7 years without a trophy. Paisley knew when to get rid when it was best for the team.

Klopp is too loyal but hopefully this season is the kick up the arse he needs to make the big decisions needed, even if its the players he's closest to that need culling.

[VladimirIlyich]

4 minutes ago, manwiththestick said:

Behave yourself.

 

They are probably two of maybe six players that should be part of whatever the next phase of Klopp's team build is.

Yep. They are very good and would have slotted in seamlessly into a fully functioning team.

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, stringvest said:

 

 they should remember how much they're being paid to be professionals.

 

Any club in the world pays them as much.

[an tha]

2 minutes ago, stringvest said:

It's more than physical - almost all of those players starting the game today are mentally weak.  

They are mentally beaten up at present because of the issues - i believe that fix the issues - the mental health so to speak will get better too.

 

Things like more competition for places, more good rotation to rest and freshen when needed, more confidence once results pick up, more momentum as a result and so on.

 

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link - we have to clear out the unfit, unreliable, unavailable, unsuitable and the not good enough and bring in hunger, physically capable, more reliable and of course quality players to replace those lacking and to boost the whole dynamic of the squad and reinforce that chain.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

So he got the first step wrong.

No,he gambled. He might have bought midfielders and we stopped scoring goals. We needed both but simply cant do both at once. 

[an tha]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

So in summary - we need to run around a little more in the middle to make the defense less shite and the forwards to start burying chances.

 

And Klopp will accomplish this by bringing in a few new fellas?

If that is what you think i said then there is no point us continuing on with the discussion.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, VladimirIlyich said:

No,he gambled. He might have bought midfielders and we stopped scoring goals. We needed both but simply cant do both at once. 

 

Uh, disagree - we have stopped scoring golas and still suck in midifield.

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Uh, disagree - we have stopped scoring golas and still suck in midifield.

I meant financially. He wasnt allowed to buy big value strikers and midfielders. You've seen what he can do when allowed to.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, an tha said:

If that is what you think i said then there is no point us continuing on with the discussion.

 

 

That is exactly what you said - change a couple fellas in the midfield - get a few who put themselves around a bit and the defense and attack are suddenly transformed. 

 

What makes you think Klopp is the guy to rebuild a side that many feel is lacking in every area?

[Preston Red]

2 minutes ago, niallers said:

Stam,veron,Keane,van nistleroy, beckham,djemba djemba,all let go in their prime or just past it, and ruthlessly so.

Shanks held onto his first team too long and they went 7 years without a trophy. Paisley knew when to get rid when it was best for the team.

Klopp is too loyal but hopefully this season is the kick up the arse he needs to make the big decisions needed, even if its the players he's closest to that need culling.

The Stam one was massive and showed that he meant business. Like you say, the greats had a ruthless streak and now Jürgen has channel his inner Mamadou Sahko anger levels and ship out the deadwood. We already know there's two definitely gone, Bobby has fallen off the cliff over the last couple of years, Curtis won't make it (sadly), Carvalho should go on loan and Hendo needs to be either shipped out or have the captaincy stripped. 

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I meant financially. He wasnt allowed to buy big value strikers and midfielders. You've seen what he can do when allowed to.

 

You mean in the return of the 3 forwards?

[George Costanza]

A new midfield doesn't solve our problems. It completely fanciful to even think that.

 

Stringy's right - the players have stopped listening to Klopp.  Maybe they've just checked out for a season & will return to focus next season but maybe last season was the last dance for the team as a collective unit.  Mane left but maybe more should have been moved on to shake it up. 

 

Only time will tell, but it'll be a huge/interesting summer. 

[TheHowieLama]

I will ask the tough question in the Klopp thread - can a side be rebuilt around Salah that competes in the next couple of seasons?