Homelessness

[Edward.]

34 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

that fact that homeless was stopped overnight during covid,sort of  suggests a flaw in the whole "choice" argument.

Homelessness isn’t just classed as street homeless though and not all street homeless people were housed.

[Megadrive Man]

22 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I think a A lot of people are opting out of conventional lifestyles of a partner, job, mortgage etc and thinking fuck it I’ll live in a tent and get off my nuts all day instead. Look at the rise in tent cities in places like LA, San Francisco etc occupied in part by a lot of opioid addicts. The ‘ problem’ is that we only look at these people through the prism of conventional life styles and try to shoehorn them back into a life of sobriety, working minimum wage,  paying the rent on a flat etc A lot of well meaning posts on here are about how to rehouse these people, which is code for get them back into the conventional box. Maybe we should just leave them alone. 

Opting out? They don't have a choice!

 

The massive majority of people that are homeless are either suffering from mental illness or have been through a major life trauma.

 

The rise in tent cities is being caused by the growing gap in wealth inequality. Living in a tent and getting off your nut all day is a symptom, not a cause. 

[Captain Willard]

7 hours ago, Fugitive said:

 

This is by far one of the most Tory things that has ever been posted on here.

There’s a big policy difference between making help available and forcing people into living conventional wage slave materialistic lifestyles. I’m obviously in favour of the former but some posters on here are talking about compulsion. People shouldn’t be forced into minimum wage jobs, flats etc. Not the most radical position really. 

[Captain Willard]

Interestingly Germany has a far bigger homeless population than the Uk, maybe as much as 10 x the number of rough sleepers. 

[Arniepie]

12 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

Interestingly Germany has a far bigger homeless population than the Uk, maybe as much as 10 x the number of rough sleepers. 

could you provide a source for that data?

[Captain Willard]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

could you provide a source for that data?

https://www.feantsa.org/download/germany-20174561023180755814062.pdf
 

The German rough sleepers number was 52,000 in 2016

 

The Uk estimate is about 4,000 in 2023 so not directly comparable but does show they historically have had much higher numbers. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rough-sleeping-snapshot-in-england-autumn-2023/rough-sleeping-snapshot-in-england-autumn-2023#:~:text=In 2023%2C there were 3%2C189,one person was under 18.

 

 

[Arniepie]

Estimation of the number of homeless people in Germany 1995- 2022. In 2022, there were an estimated 196,000 Germans who were homeless. There were significantly more non-Germans who were homeless, at 411,000.

 

they include refugess in their stats though

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

https://www.feantsa.org/download/germany-20174561023180755814062.pdf
 

The German rough sleepers number was 52,000 in 2016

 

The Uk estimate is about 4,000 in 2023 so not directly comparable but does show they historically have had much higher numbers. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rough-sleeping-snapshot-in-england-autumn-2023/rough-sleeping-snapshot-in-england-autumn-2023#:~:text=In 2023%2C there were 3%2C189,one person was under 18.

 

 

4000 in the UK????!!!!! Absolute bollocks mate. There must be 2000 in Merseyside alone 

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

4000 in the UK????!!!!! Absolute bollocks mate. There must be 2000 in Merseyside alone 

At least 309,000 people homeless in England today - Shelter England

 

just a little way off

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

At least 309,000 people homeless in England today - Shelter England

 

just a little way off

There we go. Facts tories don’t like to admit 

[Kepler-186]

Liverpool homeless café feeling squeeze of cost of living

By Marc Waddington

BBC News

2 April 2024

 

Michelle Langan said the homeless charity was feeling the impact of the cost of living crisis

A cafe set up to help homeless people in Liverpool is feeling the strain the cost of living crisis has put on people's ability to support it. 

 

The Paper Cup Project's cafe in Liverpool city centre runs a pay it forward scheme for customers to donate food and drink for rough sleepers.

 

But founder Michelle Langan said as customers had been feeling the pinch, donations had suffered.

She said the cafe's utility bills had risen 300% since it opened in 2022.

 

Demand, however, was increasing.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-68688259.amp

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, Arniepie said:

At least 309,000 people homeless in England today - Shelter England

 

just a little way off

 

That link supports Willard's comment about the number of rough sleepers though:

over 3,000 people are sleeping rough on any given night

 

[Edward.]

6 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

 

Remember during Covid when they actually did manage to solve homelessness. Then as soon as the virus levels started to drop down they sent them straight back to the streets again! 

Putting people in empty hotel rooms isn’t solving homelessness. 

[Captain Willard]

17 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

That link supports Willard's comment about the number of rough sleepers though:

over 3,000 people are sleeping rough on any given night

 

Yes I clearly said rough sleepers as the comparison but who needs facts when you have opinions. 

[Strontium]

11 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

Yes I clearly said rough sleepers as the comparison but who needs facts when you have opinions. 

 

There's a lot of people who think "homeless" and "rough sleeping" are one and the same thing. I've had to correct that misconception multiple times on here before.

[Gnasher]

22 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

There's a lot of people who think "homeless" and "rough sleeping" are one and the same thing. I've had to correct that misconception multiple times on here before.

 

Stronts and Willard (to a certain accent) are speaking the truth. Those who are classified homeless and those you are sleeping on the streets are often a world away. 

 

Many are  experiencing homelessness and are facing a life as a rough sleeper if they do not get help. This imo is where the system is lacking. At the moment it's a straight choice for those without a permanent address and it's between a rock and a hard place, with little in-between. 

[VladimirIlyich]

When your sole economic policy is to reward your mates who got you there absolutely nothing will stand in the way. The easiest victims are mentally and physically disabled people as they cannot fight back. Homelessness is simply another symptom of giving almost everything in society to those who already have it in abundance.

[Kepler-186]

An estimated 3,898 people slept rough in 2023, an annual increase of 27% – the largest annual rise since 2015 and more than double (120%) the number of people recorded as sleeping rough in 2010, when records began. 

 

29 Feb 2024

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/29/number-of-people-sleeping-rough-in-england-rises-for-second-year-running#:~:text=An estimated 3%2C898 people slept,in 2010%2C when records began.

 

 

[Captain Willard]

23 minutes ago, Kepler-186 said:

An estimated 3,898 people slept rough in 2023, an annual increase of 27% – the largest annual rise since 2015 and more than double (120%) the number of people recorded as sleeping rough in 2010, when records began. 

 

29 Feb 2024

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/29/number-of-people-sleeping-rough-in-england-rises-for-second-year-running#:~:text=An estimated 3%2C898 people slept,in 2010%2C when records began.

 

 

To put this in context the Uk population grew by 5 million in the same period. So 5 million additional people were provided some form of housing in the Uk and maybe 1,500 ended up on the streets. Not quite the catastrophic outcome being suggested. 

[Kepler-186]

20 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

To put this in context the Uk population grew by 5 million in the same period. So 5 million additional people were provided some form of housing in the Uk and maybe 1,500 ended up on the streets. Not quite the catastrophic outcome being suggested. 

Yeah not catastrophic at all pal. 
 

“More than 26,000 no-fault bailiff evictions since government pledge to scrap Section 21

Posted 08 Feb 2024

Shelter warns Renters (Reform) Bill in current form not up to scratch

New government figures, released today, show 26,311 households in England have been removed from their homes by court bailiffs as a result of Section 21 since the government first promised to scrap no-fault evictions in 2019. “

https://england.shelter.org.uk/media/press_release/more_than_26000_no-fault_bailiff_evictions_since_government_pledge_to_scrap_section_21

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

Yes I clearly said rough sleepers as the comparison but who needs facts when you have opinions. 

Yep..and you crowbarring Germanys rouugh sleepers into a topic on British homeless,for some bizarre reason,was totally relevant 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Kepler-186 said:

Yeah not catastrophic at all pal. 
 

“More than 26,000 no-fault bailiff evictions since government pledge to scrap Section 21

Posted 08 Feb 2024

Shelter warns Renters (Reform) Bill in current form not up to scratch

New government figures, released today, show 26,311 households in England have been removed from their homes by court bailiffs as a result of Section 21 since the government first promised to scrap no-fault evictions in 2019. “

https://england.shelter.org.uk/media/press_release/more_than_26000_no-fault_bailiff_evictions_since_government_pledge_to_scrap_section_21

In fairness,they probably just don't want to be wage slaves.

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

There's a lot of people who think "homeless" and "rough sleeping" are one and the same thing. I've had to correct that misconception multiple times on here before.

Doesn't sound like you 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

Doesn't sound like you 

You're in an irritating mood aren't you? Fair play

[Arniepie]

23 minutes ago, A Red said:

You're in an irritating mood aren't you? Fair play

Always ratty when I haven't had a proper kip