Inequality

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, skend04 said:

Everyone is getting a pay rise. There's nothing to worry about...

Yeah it'd make it better if they didn't.

[Bjornebye]

He gets away with his sound bites , the biased media lap it up. “Levelling up” “record unemployment” “tax cuts” blah blah blah. The mugs who fall for it over and over and over are as culpable as the tories themselves. 

[Moctezuma]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

He gets away with his sound bites , the biased media lap it up. “Levelling up” “record unemployment” “tax cuts” blah blah blah. The mugs who fall for it over and over and over are as culpable as the tories themselves. 

They have worked out that huge chunks of the English electorate want them in power and will defend their stances regardless and that here is a decent slab of people who don't really engage with politics in any meaningful way for whom lying propaganda and soundbites work really effectively. Also there terms start to become ingrained in the national psyche without actually having to do any of the difficult bits around delivery or even the pretense of delivery.

[Jordy Brouwer]

35 minutes ago, Moctezuma said:

They have worked out that huge chunks of the English electorate want them in power and will defend their stances regardless and that here is a decent slab of people who don't really engage with politics in any meaningful way for whom lying propaganda and soundbites work really effectively. Also there terms start to become ingrained in the national psyche without actually having to do any of the difficult bits around delivery or even the pretense of delivery.

 

That is the key point that is often missed, especially in left wing circles. A lot of people in this country don't want a left wing government for personal reasons. They aren't mugs, they aren't being gulled by a right wing press. They aren't believing a load of propaganda. A lot of them don't like the Tories. 

 

 They genuinely don't want a left wing tax and spend government in. They think it would be bad for business, bad  for the country and bad for themselves. 

 

Constantly blaming the right wing press will do nothing to reassure that group because the assumptions are wrong. 

[Rushies tash]

7 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

That is the key point that is often missed, especially in left wing circles. A lot of people in this country don't want a left wing government for personal reasons. They aren't mugs, they aren't being gulled by a right wing press. They aren't believing a load of propaganda. A lot of them don't like the Tories. 

 

 They genuinely don't want a left wing tax and spend government in. They think it would be bad for business, bad  for the country and bad for themselves. 

 

Constantly blaming the right wing press will do nothing to reassure that group because the assumptions are wrong. 

There have been plenty of recessions under both Labour and Conservative governments, but it's only Labour whose policies get blamed for causing them. The Tories will always cite factors beyond their control. And where are they allowed to spout this shite endlessly? In a weak or compliant press, who neither have the will or inclination to ever challenge them. I'd rather tax and spend under Labour, than borrow and spend (and leave the bill for a future Labour government to claw back) under the Tories.

 

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/06/24/the-tories-have-always-borrowed-more-than-labour-and-always-repaid-less-they-are-the-party-of-big-deficit-spending/

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

It's depressing how bad these tories are and worse how many people don't give a fuck.

[Bjornebye]

Horrible bitch 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/therese-coffey-claimed-200000-on-expenses-while-cutting-your-benefits-290397/

 

 

[TheDrowningMan]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Horrible bitch 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/therese-coffey-claimed-200000-on-expenses-while-cutting-your-benefits-290397/

 

 

She’s disgusting. Utterly vile, entirely evil and so is Sunak who is trumpeting it alongside her. Genuinely amongst the most despicable people in history.

[TheDrowningMan]

3 hours ago, Rushies tash said:

There have been plenty of recessions under both Labour and Conservative governments, but it's only Labour whose policies get blamed for causing them. The Tories will always cite factors beyond their control. And where are they allowed to spout this shite endlessly? In a weak or compliant press, who neither have the will or inclination to ever challenge them. I'd rather tax and spend under Labour, than borrow and spend (and leave the bill for a future Labour government to claw back) under the Tories.

 

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/06/24/the-tories-have-always-borrowed-more-than-labour-and-always-repaid-less-they-are-the-party-of-big-deficit-spending/

 

Right? You’d think if those people - apparently not at all brainwashed, just fine, salt of the earth folk who don’t want to be taxed - were so bright and upstanding they’d have noticed that and also that they get taxed in a fuck of a lot of underhanded ways by the Tories. The same people are left tutting as public services are eroded and their living environment becomes gradually less savoury, all while remaining unable to make the connection between such things and the government imposing them. Same folk will be tutting about the state of the NHS and slowly but surely talking about how further involvement from the private sector is the only way forward; conveniently in line with the wishes of certain billionaire press-magnates.
 

Same caring, sharing civic-minded people are also usually suckers for pointless benefit sanctions and people less well off than them being driven to suicide.

[Kepler-186]

Recommended it on

the TV thread but The Decade The Rich Won earlier this week was very stark.

 

The money the BoE was printing to put into the economy post 2008/9 helped the asset rich class disproportionately just as the coalition embarked on its austerity programme.

 

To quote one interviewee, they “made out like bandits”. Meanwhile average wages have remained stagnant as everything else including the obvious one of house prices have skyrocketed. 

 

Labour wanted to half the budget deficit over the 5 year term, the Tories and their coalition partners wanted it eradicated. 
 

Life expectancy falling in certain places, low literacy levels, insecure work, crime and anti social behaviour through the roof but not reported to over stretched police.

Depressing country. 

 

 

 

 

[Anubis]

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/cost-of-living-crisis-food-bank-donations-journey-one-can-beans-1428750?ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1643446174
 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 27/01/2022 at 16:23, Kepler-186 said:

Recommended it on

the TV thread but The Decade The Rich Won earlier this week was very stark.

 

The money the BoE was printing to put into the economy post 2008/9 helped the asset rich class disproportionately just as the coalition embarked on its austerity programme.

 

To quote one interviewee, they “made out like bandits”. Meanwhile average wages have remained stagnant as everything else including the obvious one of house prices have skyrocketed. 

 

Labour wanted to half the budget deficit over the 5 year term, the Tories and their coalition partners wanted it eradicated. 
 

Life expectancy falling in certain places, low literacy levels, insecure work, crime and anti social behaviour through the roof but not reported to over stretched police.

Depressing country. 

 

 

 

 

Interesting to hear the opinions of that working class lad who had become a trader, became horribly rich, but then couldn't do it any more because of the growing realisation that he was getting rich off other people's misery.  He reminded me of someone who had left ISIS or something. 

 

One part of the programme that did get me shouting at the telly was when someone said that by 2010 everybody agreed that some degree of austerity was necessary; in truth, there were loads of better ideas coming from the unions, the New Economics Foundation, etc, but none of the main political parties or the media were paying any attention.

[VladimirIlyich]

On 27/01/2022 at 12:46, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

That is the key point that is often missed, especially in left wing circles. A lot of people in this country don't want a left wing government for personal reasons. They aren't mugs, they aren't being gulled by a right wing press. They aren't believing a load of propaganda. A lot of them don't like the Tories. 

 

 They genuinely don't want a left wing tax and spend government in. They think it would be bad for business, bad  for the country and bad for themselves. 

 

Constantly blaming the right wing press will do nothing to reassure that group because the assumptions are wrong. 

There hasn't been close to a left wing government in the UK since 1945. Those fuckin idiots who pretend to believe that are just covering up their own selfish desires.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 27/01/2022 at 12:46, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

That is the key point that is often missed, especially in left wing circles. A lot of people in this country don't want a left wing government for personal reasons. They aren't mugs, they aren't being gulled by a right wing press. They aren't believing a load of propaganda. A lot of them don't like the Tories. 

 

 They genuinely don't want a left wing tax and spend government in. They think it would be bad for business, bad  for the country and bad for themselves. 

 

Constantly blaming the right wing press will do nothing to reassure that group because the assumptions are wrong. 

These people who think that progressive taxation and decent welfare spending "would be bad for business, bad for the country and bad for themselves" - where do you think they got an idea like that from?

[Arniepie]

So in the decade that services were cut to the bone,when a millionaire politician was telling people to work for nothing, rich people got even richer, the poor got poorer,yet somehow they got voted in again.

If there is an argument that we are ons of the thickest countries on the planet,I'd love to hear it.

[Bruce Spanner]

5 hours ago, Arniepie said:

So in the decade that services were cut to the bone,when a millionaire politician was telling people to work for nothing, rich people got even richer, the poor got poorer,yet somehow they got voted in again.

If there is an argument that we are ons of the thickest countries on the planet,I'd love to hear it.

By design, you can tell a nation from the stereotypes of its education system. 
 

We’ve gone, in only thirty years from Blunkets  ‘Crick Report’ which set out a vision for teaching democracy and government as central to the curriculum, through Gove’s abhorrent nationalism lite and ‘celebrating’ a nonexistent form of Britishness and removing the need to talk about the systems of government, to now having the Williamson version of education where teachers have to present ‘Black Lives Matter’ and ‘Extinction Rebellion’ as terrorist organisations or face the sack.

 

Those who control the present etc.

 

 

[Jordy Brouwer]

11 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

These people who think that progressive taxation and decent welfare spending "would be bad for business, bad for the country and bad for themselves" - where do you think they got an idea like that from?

They got it being true. They are middle class, often small business owners and wouldn't benefit. They would just pay higher taxes. 

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

They got it being true. They are middle class, often small business owners and wouldn't benefit. They would just pay higher taxes. 

Do they not use roads? Or the fire brigade? Or employ people? etc, etc.

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

They got it being true. They are middle class, often small business owners and wouldn't benefit. They would just pay higher taxes. 

How does a small business owner benefit from a government that stifles the people and the economy of money? Also aren't we one of  the highest taxed countries in Europe?

[Bjornebye]

Remember them Lib Dem’s who fell for the lie when Cameron and Clegg locked into a 69? You’d have thought they would have learnt a lesson. Fast forward 8 years and no. They didn’t. Why? Because they are right wing not liberal. 
 

I do like Ed though. The fact their popularity hasn’t soared under him speaks volumes. 

[Jordy Brouwer]

37 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Do they not use roads? Or the fire brigade? Or employ people? etc, etc.

To the first two questions yes but they would rather not have their taxes raised. On the third question I don't see your point. 

[Jordy Brouwer]

27 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

How does a small business owner benefit from a government that stifles the people and the economy of money? Also aren't we one of  the highest taxed countries in Europe?

Two of small businesses biggest concerns are taxes and regulations. 

[Chip Butty]

My left foot is slightly bigger than my right foot. I believe it effected my football career immeasurably. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

46 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

They got it being true. They are middle class, often small business owners and wouldn't benefit. They would just pay higher taxes. 

It isn't true, though. They clearly have no first-hand experience of a left-wing government in the UK. All they have to go on is theories and opinions. Where do you think they get them from?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Two of small businesses biggest concerns are taxes and regulations. 

Which is why Labour went into the last two elections promising fair tax and regulation regimes, which support small businesses (as opposed to the current regimes which favour global corporations). 

 

Unfortunately, for some utterly inexplicable reason, that message didn't get through.