Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Miliband rinsed him there, great to see. I thought Johnson was asleep at one point. He is such a petulant cunt. 

He was such a let down as leader, but I really like Ed Miliband. 

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

He was such a let down as leader, but I really like Ed Miliband. 

I'm not too keen on him myself but fuck me that was good stuff there. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm not too keen on him myself but fuck me that was good stuff there. 

He’s such a wet blanket but he is pretty smart and his heart is in the right place. No leader though. 

[lifetime fan]

1 hour ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

He was such a let down as leader, but I really like Ed Miliband. 

He’s an excellent politician but a terrible leader. 

[lifetime fan]

1 hour ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

He’s such a wet blanket but he is pretty smart and his heart is in the right place. No leader though. 

This. 
 

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[mattyq]

Red Ed rinsing fat cunt Johnson

?You love to see it

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

The fucking pricks won by 77 votes. Sounds like they all behaved pretty much. It's just like America and that cunt trump. 

[Mudface]

30 abstained and 2 voted against. It's a start, I suppose, but there just aren't enough Tory MPs with a backbone or decency left, Johnson's hollowed them out to a core of spivs.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Mudface said:

30 abstained and 2 voted against. It's a start, I suppose, but there just aren't enough Tory MPs with a backbone or decency left, Johnson's hollowed them out to a core of spivs.

Considering there's a 80 majority and they still get home with 77, that's pretty depressing. I'm assuming the DUP voted with the government. If something like this doesn't make the government wobble, what another 4.5 years we are in for. 

[Gnasher]

15 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

We did this exact same argument three pages back.

 

As before he was made to look silly. 

Go fuck yourself Skippy you insufferable little prick.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Considering there's a 80 majority and they still get home with 77, that's pretty depressing. I'm assuming the DUP voted with the government. If something like this doesn't make the government wobble, what another 4.5 years we are in for. 

Yeah I thought a vote on law breaking would be closer than that.

[Numero Veinticinco]

11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Considering there's a 80 majority and they still get home with 77, that's pretty depressing. I'm assuming the DUP voted with the government. If something like this doesn't make the government wobble, what another 4.5 years we are in for. 

It'll be a process of chipping away. Labour were at such a low point and Tories at such a high point, it can't be swung back in a few weeks. It's going to take years, and even then I think it will be more to do with the immediate issues at hand than anything else. Politics is generally a 30 second glance for many people. 

[Bruce Spanner]

12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Go fuck yourself Skippy you insufferable little prick.

I am not little!

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I am not little!

I bet you've said that line to a few girls in your time.

[Bruce Spanner]

16 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I bet you've said that line to a few girls in your time.

No, why would I?

 

Im 6’2 and well above averagely endowed.

 

I’d give that come back a 2/10, basic. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

No, why would I?

 

Im 6’2 and well above averagely endowed.

 

I’d give that come back a 2/10, basic. 

Hmmm, as I thought, you protest to much.

[Bruce Spanner]

I know Red Ed got all the credit, but what do people make of Reeves’ speech?

 

Kind of got buried, but I thought it was very incisive.

[sir roger]

51 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

It'll be a process of chipping away. Labour were at such a low point and Tories at such a high point, it can't be swung back in a few weeks. It's going to take years, and even then I think it will be more to do with the immediate issues at hand than anything else. Politics is generally a 30 second glance for many people. 

No new leader of a party is given 'years' to make their mark. With the open goals and opportunities Starmer has been given he should be ahead by now, and certainly not polling behind Labours performance in 2017 when led by the man who was the main reason people wouldn't vote Labour.

[Numero Veinticinco]

21 minutes ago, sir roger said:

No new leader of a party is given 'years' to make their mark. With the open goals and opportunities Starmer has been given he should be ahead by now, and certainly not polling behind Labours performance in 2017 when led by the man who was the main reason people wouldn't vote Labour.

Who said anything about years to make a mark? What!? 

 

I know you're a devout Corbynite, but this post is pretty wild. 2017... you do know that 3 years happened, right? The high point of the Corbyn utopia that you talk about was indeed one solitary point closer at the election (Tory 44, Labour 41), in comparison to now (40:38). However, when he took over from Saint Corbyn of Islington, hallowed be thy name, it was Tory 51%, Labour 29%. Not bad for a few months, considering he is trying to turn around years of failure. 

 

Give it Beckeh. 

 

Edit. Making a mark. 

 

[Gnasher]

32 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I know Red Ed got all the credit, but what do people make of Reeves’ speech?

 

Kind of got buried, but I thought it was very incisive.

If Rachel Reeves and co spent as much time over the past two years attacking Boris Johnson as they did undermining Jeremy Corbyn the country might have been saved from a Conservative majority.

[Bruce Spanner]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

If Rachel Reeves and co spent as much time over the past two years attacking Boris Johnson as they did undermining Jeremy Corbyn the country might have been saved from a Conservative majority.

Or, Corbyn could have untied the party, which is the job of the leader, found policies and platforms people could get behind and not ostracise members and toxify the party through his lack of leadership and inability to stop people exercising powers over the party and it’s policy that they should never have been allowed.

 

His handling of key issues, and the campaign as a whole, were fucking appalling and no amount of revisionist nonsense can argue that away.

 

A couple of good books were released this weekend about the subject, well worth a read, though you’d probably disregard these as shrills.

 

He lost the fucking election because enough people didn’t like him enough to vote for him. 

Fucking get over it, you’re starting to sound like a spurned lover.

[Gnasher]

34 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Or, Corbyn could have untied the party, which is the job of the leader, found policies and platforms people could get behind and not ostracise members and toxify the party through his lack of leadership and inability to stop people exercising powers over the party and it’s policy that they should never have been allowed.

 

His handling of key issues, and the campaign as a whole, were fucking appalling and no amount of revisionist nonsense can argue that away.

 

A couple of good books were released this weekend about the subject, well worth a read, though you’d probably disregard these as shrills.

 

He lost the fucking election because enough people didn’t like him enough to vote for him. 

Fucking get over it, you’re starting to sound like a spurned lover.

No I agree Corbyn had faults and made a lot of avoidable mistakes, he seemed to go into trench mode in the final year when it was obvious to all the battle was lost. As for the books are they just another tired hatchet job? My god we've seen enough, i think I'll give them a miss thanks 

 

As for Reeves and the rest of centrist parliamentary labour party our opinions will have to differ. I'd prefer if they were poured with petrol and set on fire. 

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

No I agree Corbyn had faults and made a lot of avoidable mistakes, he seemed to go into trench mode in the final year when it was obvious to all the battle was lost. As for the books are they just another tired hatchet job? My god we've seen enough, i think I'll give them a miss thanks 

 

As for Reeves and the rest of centrist parliamentary labour party our opinions will have to differ. I'd prefer if they were poured with petrol and set on fire. 

Might be something to keep you occupied, here’s a review of both...

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/13/left-out-the-inside-story-of-labour-under-corbyn-this-land-the-story-of-a-movement-review

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Might be something to keep you occupied, here’s a review of both...

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/13/left-out-the-inside-story-of-labour-under-corbyn-this-land-the-story-of-a-movement-review

Just glancing though the link, the first book the authors say "Corbyn was just not the politician for the brexit age" well who in the labour party was the politician for the brexit age?  It was an almost impossible position to be in, either/or you were trapped. I liked the Corbyn/Starmer pact on Brexit, I thought it was one of Corbyns best political strategies.

 

Edit, agree with authors on the Russian issue, disagree on the anti semitism issue and didnt even bother reading the review of an Owen Jones book nevermind the book itself.