The McCanns...

[Pureblood]

Again not arguing but find it unlikely that the UK government would intervene in a foreign police investigation into the murder of a child.Why? What is there to gain politically compared to the fury and scandal if exposed. Plus doubt the foreign coppers would simply give it up on the say so of political interference. Someone would blow the whistle. It’s a cute little girl.

Using amateur psychological profiling to explain reluctance to answer questions and extrapolating this to imply guilt is dodgy at best. She was interviewed as a suspect. It is perfectly reasonable to not want to participate in that charade considering it is regarding the murder of your own kid of which you were innocent and the investigation is being carried out by a force in which you have no confidence and are looking for a scapegoat.

 

Again interpretation of body language and perceived obstructiveness and diversionary actions is the realm of the proffesional investigator not the amateur psychologist who has no first hand knowledge or experience of either the person, situation or context in which it occurred.

 

I admit my thoughts are that a tragedy occurred that night of which we do not no the full facts but to determine guilt from a dog and weird character actions of the parents goes a long way short of many of the conclusions people seem happy to jump to.

 

 

As I say, I'm not here to change your mind - nothing I say will do that. 

[Anny Road]

As I say, I'm not here to change your mind - nothing I say will do that.

 

Evidence not opinion would. No problem with that.

[Pureblood]

Evidence not opinion would. No problem with that.

 

 

There's a whole stack of evidence in the Portuguese police files.  The video based on Amaral's book is enough to convince me personally that she's dead and the parents know what happened. 

[Anny Road]

There's a whole stack of evidence in the Portuguese police files.  The video based on Amaral's book is enough to convince me personally that she's dead and the parents know what happened.

 

I admit I am being lazy here but could you list A, Evidence she is dead B. Evidence the parents did it or were complicit.

I ask because it is up to accusers to present evidence of guilt to back up allegations.

[Pureblood]

I admit I am being lazy here but could you list A, Evidence she is dead B. Evidence the parents did it or were complicit.

I ask because it is up to accusers to present evidence of guilt to back up allegations.

 

 

No, because we're having a chat on the internet, not in a court of law.

 

If you really want to know, look it up on youtube.

 

I'm happy to take Goncalo Amaral for his word.  His view is that the child is dead and that the parents know what happened, I believe him.  So as a starting point watch The Truth of the Lie and take it from there.

 

I'm not going to the lengths of typing all my views here, it would take too long.

[Anny Road]

So your view is based on one guys opinion. Admittedly a senior investigator but one man who was selling a book and doing lots of tv and publicity work to promote it. His crime scene was a mess. His investigation flawed and the lack of professionalism shown by officers under his command probably led to who ever is guilty of this never facing justice.

 

I would suggest it would be in his interests to argue that the case was obvious and he did his job correctly. I would also argue that he is as guilty if not more so of the deflection of attention from his ineptitude that you are happy to accuse the mother of. Bearing in mind she is a mother who has lost a child and he a senior police officer I would find his action much more defensive and unexplainable than hers. If I was leading this investigation and made a complete arse of it from day one I would be more than keen to identify any small aspect of the case which may lay the blame and guilt at the feet of any suspect I could use.

 

We are having a chat on the internet and this is not a court of law but is that not the point. To assume someone’s guilt even on the internet needs to be based on indisputable facts. I see none.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Maybe things in life would be easier if people didn't leave babies and toddlers unattended. Seems a reasonable statement. Common sense really. What decent parents would do.

[Pureblood]

So your view is based on one guys opinion. Admittedly a senior investigator but one man who was selling a book and doing lots of tv and publicity work to promote it. His crime scene was a mess. His investigation flawed and the lack of professionalism shown by officers under his command probably led to who ever is guilty of this never facing justice.

 

I would suggest it would be in his interests to argue that the case was obviously and he did his job correctly. I would also argue that he is as guilty if not more so of the deflection of attention from his ineptitude that you are happy to accuse the mother of. Bearing in mind she is a mother who has lost a child and he a senior police officer I would find his action much more defensive and unexplainable than hers. If I was leading this investigation and made a complete arse of it from day one I would be more than keen to identify any small aspect of the case which may lay the blame and guilt at the feet of any suspect I could use.

 

We are having a chat on the internet and this is not a court of law but is that not the point. To assume someone’s guilt even on the internet needs to be based on indisputable facts. I see none.

 

 

No, not just his view although his alone is enough to convince me. 

 

I don't think he made a "complete arse" of the investigation.  I think he was on the right lines when he made the parents persons of interests, I think he was red hot when he got a no comment interview out of Kate McCann and believe he would have loved to have finished the job before the rug was pulled from under him.

 

If Amaral was happy to blame any suspect, as you say, why did they drop the case against Robert Murat and home in on the parents?

[Anny Road]

No, not just his view although his alone is enough to convince me.

 

I don't think he made a "complete arse" of the investigation. I think he was on the right lines when he made the parents persons of interests, I think he was red hot when he got a no comment interview out of Kate McCann and believe he would have loved to have finished the job before the rug was pulled from under him.

 

If Amaral was happy to blame any suspect, as you say, why did they drop the case against Robert Murat and home in on the parents?

Amaral was himself an arguido in relation to his investigation of another case, the disappearance of Joana Cipriano. One day after Madeleine's disappearance, Amaral was made arguido, and a month later he was charged with making a false statement. Four other officers were charged with assault. Eight-year-old Joana had vanished in 2004 from Figueira, seven miles (11 km) from Praia da Luz. Her body was never found, and no murder weapon was identified. Her mother and the mother's brother were convicted of her murder after confessing, but the mother retracted her confession, saying she had been beaten by police. Amaral was not present when the beating is alleged to have taken place, but he was accused of having covered up for others. The other detectives were acquitted. Amaral was convicted of perjury in May 2009 and received an 18-month suspended sentence.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

 

 

Sounds the reliable type to believe. Rather than two Doctors with no previous or direct evidence against them.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Who leave babies unattended. In an apartment in a foreign country, on more than one occasion. Flawless parenting.

 

No Doctor has ever done wrong in the history of the world.

 

All indisputable facts. Apart from the Doctor bit.

[Anny Road]

Different leaving a kid a few hundred yards away which is no doubt negligent than being complicit in its death.

Negligence in one does not make the other more likely.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Different leaving a kid a few hundred yards away which is no doubt negligent than being complicit in its death.

Negligence in one does not make the other more likely.[/quote

 

Proof positive that they were negligent on more than one occasion, they admitted it. Complicit, who knows. Awful parenting, beyond question.

[Pureblood]

Amaral was himself an arguido in relation to his investigation of another case, the disappearance of Joana Cipriano. One day after Madeleine's disappearance, Amaral was made arguido, and a month later he was charged with making a false statement. Four other officers were charged with assault. Eight-year-old Joana had vanished in 2004 from Figueira, seven miles (11 km) from Praia da Luz. Her body was never found, and no murder weapon was identified. Her mother and the mother's brother were convicted of her murder after confessing, but the mother retracted her confession, saying she had been beaten by police. Amaral was not present when the beating is alleged to have taken place, but he was accused of having covered up for others. The other detectives were acquitted. Amaral was convicted of perjury in May 2009 and received an 18-month suspended sentence.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

 

 

Sounds the reliable type to believe. Rather than two Doctors with no previous or direct evidence against them.

 

 

As I say, I'm not here to change your mind and nothing I write will convince you upon even the smallest of points, so all of this futile.  In short, I'm bored already.

[Anny Road]

Yeah I agree pretty bad parenting. What about the other couples at the tapas bar? Where were their kids?

[Anny Road]

As I say, I'm not here to change your mind and nothing I write will convince you upon even the smallest of points, so all of this futile.  In short, I'm bored already.

That’s a kop out.

The crux of your argument is that you believe the word of a convicted liar and you have no evidence.

Nothing made up or simple speculation will change my mind you are right. Not because of you personally but because there is no reason to. Sorry if that bores you but accusations of this type are easy to make but a little bit more difficult to back up.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Yeah I agree pretty bad parenting. What about the other couples at the tapas bar? Where were their kids?

You know as well as I do. They were lucky? Not complicit ? Awful parents again, without doubt.

[Anny Road]

Strikes me as an example of this place being hypocritical.

We, me included, are the first to shout and scream at the rags. The scum, the mail etc for the poor standard of journalism. Stereotyping. Right wing xenophobic nonsense, anti single mums etc. All based on no credible knowledge or evidence and simply following the hoards in demonisation of one particular group or individual after another.

 

On here we have a mother and father deemed guilty, without much doubt, on the basis of dodgy evidence, a corrupt ex cops opinion and the fact that they come across and a pair of unpleasant, privileged middle class child neglecting publicity seeking twats.

 

Applause...........Applause...........

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

They were negligent though. They didn't " come across as it "

[Anny Road]

No one is saying otherwise. Does that make them responsible for her death?

[Pureblood]

That’s a kop out.

The crux of your argument is that you believe the word of a convicted liar and you have no evidence.

Nothing made up or simple speculation will change my mind you are right. Not because of you personally but because there is no reason to. Sorry if that bores you but accusations of this type are easy to make but a little bit more difficult to back up.

 

 

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[Anny Road]

No more questions your honour.

[Pureblood]

Thank fuck for that.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

No one is saying otherwise. Does that make them responsible for her death?

I don't remember saying they were mate. Just because they're Doctors means nothing either really, we all make mistakes and are human.

People seem to either condemn or defend them, we may never know what happened, but that baby is gone whatever else.

[Anny Road]

Then charge them with wilful neglect. Of which,on the basis of the evidence, they appear guilty.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Then charge them with wilful neglect. Of which,on the basis of the evidence, they appear guilty.

Why haven't they been. And the cycle continues. It may all come out one day, I suggest we don't hold our breath buddy.