The Partition of India

[SasaS]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think it is impossible to extricate Britain from any/all of India's modern history.

 

I was talking about a specific event.

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I was talking about a specific event.

 

I know - I don't think it is possible to extricate Britain's involvement from that one event either. Bengal was the blueprint used for "partitioning." imo.

 

@skend04 may have some insight on the Muslim angle.

 

[SasaS]

I think he has Sikh roots or something, not sure.

[Captain Turdseye]

India doesn’t get enough coverage on the GF. 

 

Batshit mental country. 

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, SasaS said:

I think he has Sikh roots or something, not sure.

 

Me too.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Captain Turdseye said:

India doesn’t get enough coverage on the GF. 

 

Batshit mental country. 

 

52 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think it is impossible to extricate Britain from any/all of India's modern history.

 

 

Yerp - hijinks aplenty. Gonna get heat soon enough.

[SasaS]

8 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

India doesn’t get enough coverage on the GF. 

 

Batshit mental country. 

 

Anubis did regular updates on Indian police during covid. That was quite impressive.

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Why is the partition of India seen as something British rule is responsible for? Was it not Muslim leadership that pushed for the creation of Pakistan? Genuine question.

 

I think you're forgetting Rule 1 of historical revisionism - nothing is ever the fault of Muslims.

[sir roger]

It's gone, get over it.

[polymerpunkah]

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/opinion/india-pakistan-partition-imperial-britain.html

 

 

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

17 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

I think you're forgetting Rule 1 of historical revisionism - nothing is ever ONLY the fault of Muslims.

 

[skend04]

21 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

I know - I don't think it is possible to extricate Britain's involvement from that one event either. Bengal was the blueprint used for "partitioning." imo.

 

@skend04 may have some insight on the Muslim angle.

 

 

20 hours ago, SasaS said:

I think he has Sikh roots or something, not sure.

 

Ah sorry chaps missed this. It all likely goes back to the mutiny of 1857 which resulted in the British government taking over from the East India Company and then the imposition of divide and rule based mainly on religion in order to maintain control over India. I mean it's what the Tories are still doing here, dividing people so they maintain power in Westminster.

 

Curzon splitting Bengal along religious divides likely was the blueprint for what we have today. It's just a pity Radcliffe and Mountbatten decided to chuck a line through the Punjab because it's still a sore point for a lot of Sikhs.

 

Isn't it amazing how the British Empire still affects the globe culturally and politically to this day and yet no government dares give us a warts and all history lesson about it.

 

 

[Einch]

3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

 

Ah sorry chaps missed this. It all likely goes back to the mutiny of 1857 which resulted in the British government taking over from the East India Company and then the imposition of divide and rule based mainly on religion in order to maintain control over India. I mean it's what the Tories are still doing here, dividing people so they maintain power in Westminster.

 

Curzon splitting Bengal along religious divides likely was the blueprint for what we have today. It's just a pity Radcliffe and Mountbatten decided to chuck a line through the Punjab because it's still a sore point for a lot of Sikhs.

 

Isn't it amazing how the British Empire still affects the globe culturally and politically to this day and yet no government dares give us a warts and all history lesson about it.

 

 

 So, to summarize, they are a gaggle of odious cunts to the last one.

[ZonkoVille77]

No surprise to see a racist, Islamaphobic comment from the forum's main genocide supporter.

 

Stop quoting the mentally disturbed sociopath: some of us have him on ignore. 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

 

 

Ah sorry chaps missed this. It all likely goes back to the mutiny of 1857 which resulted in the British government taking over from the East India Company and then the imposition of divide and rule based mainly on religion in order to maintain control over India. I mean it's what the Tories are still doing here, dividing people so they maintain power in Westminster.

 

Curzon splitting Bengal along religious divides likely was the blueprint for what we have today. It's just a pity Radcliffe and Mountbatten decided to chuck a line through the Punjab because it's still a sore point for a lot of Sikhs.

 

Isn't it amazing how the British Empire still affects the globe culturally and politically to this day and yet no government dares give us a warts and all history lesson about it.

 

 

 

OK, so the Pakistanis would rather the partition didn't happen and they still lived in India?

[skend04]

8 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

OK, so the Pakistanis would rather the partition didn't happen and they still lived in India?

 

We're more than several generations on, Pakistanis and Indians are now a very different people. You'd have to go back to pre-1857 to ask that question, it's not even relevant now. More relevant would be looking at the role of the British Raj in the situation we have now.

[Jose Jones]

1 hour ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

No surprise to see a racist, Islamaphobic comment from the forum's main genocide supporter.

 

Stop quoting the mentally disturbed sociopath: some of us have him on ignore. 

Or it was a bit of a joke?

[SasaS]

10 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

We're more than several generations on, Pakistanis and Indians are now a very different people. You'd have to go back to pre-1857 to ask that question, it's not even relevant now. More relevant would be looking at the role of the British Raj in the situation we have now.

 

Ah, get it, not relevant.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

Isn't it amazing how the British Empire still affects the globe culturally and politically to this day and yet no government dares give us a warts and all history lesson about it.

 

 

 

I think the problem is money as much as false pride. Admitting guilt means grounds for reparations. Once that door is opened to crimes of the British Empire it'd be carnage for whichever party's in power, so they keep kicking the can down the road in the hopes everyone forgets, much like the promise of 40 acres and a mule in the US.

 

We won't even give back the Parthenon sculptures for fear our museums would empty.

[SasaS]

20 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

 

I think the problem is money as much as false pride. Admitting guilt means grounds for reparations. Once that door is opened to crimes of the British Empire it'd be carnage for whichever party's in power, so they keep kicking the can down the road in the hopes everyone forgets, much like the promise of 40 acres and a mule in the US.

 

We won't even give back the Parthenon sculptures for fear our museums would empty.

 

Reparations ship has probably sailed a long time ago, how much would Britain have to pay? There are generations upon generations that benefited. And in general, you have to lose the war to be forced to pay anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Reparations ship has probably sailed a long time ago

 

This from 2 weeks ago here:

 

California state lawmakers introduced a slate of reparations bills on Wednesday, including a proposal to restore property taken by “race-based” cases of eminent domain and a potentially unconstitutional measure to provide state funding for “specific groups.”

The package marks a first-in-the-nation effort to give restitution to Black Americans who have been harmed by centuries of racist policies and practices. California’s legislative push is the culmination of years of research and debate, including 111-pages of recommendations issued last year by a task force.

[SasaS]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

This from 2 weeks ago here:

 

California state lawmakers introduced a slate of reparations bills on Wednesday, including a proposal to restore property taken by “race-based” cases of eminent domain and a potentially unconstitutional measure to provide state funding for “specific groups.”

The package marks a first-in-the-nation effort to give restitution to Black Americans who have been harmed by centuries of racist policies and practices. California’s legislative push is the culmination of years of research and debate, including 111-pages of recommendations issued last year by a task force.

 

This is within the US and will probably just open a can of worms.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

 

This is within the US and will probably just open a can of worms.

 

I think that is the whole idea behind reparations.

[SasaS]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

I think that is the whole idea behind reparations.

 

Usually, opening a can of worms isn't a good thing.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

14 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Usually, opening a can of worms isn't a good thing.

 

 

Neither is the very idea of reparations.

 

Fact is, any reparations by definition are an admission of guilt and a show of remorse neither of which the UK will be up for.

With the US it's pretty easy to throw a rope (no pun intended) around the issue - for the UK it is literally dozens of countries and hundreds of millions of people.