Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[deiseach]

This is right before they opened the Ark of the Covenant #CPC2018 pic.twitter.com/cexhWEazjy

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[Champ]

And more shame on BBC online today for its virtual news blackout on the Tory Party Conference. It’s absolutely crooked

[moof]

The brexit means brexit conference taking place just down the road from the real conference looks a barrel of laughs 

 

 

[moof]

The actual conference, amazingly, is even more dead than Thatcher

[Gnasher]

22 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

This. Again.

 

40 years of UK Governments twatting the working class and getting their Fleet Street dogs to pin the blame on Johnny Foreigner - and Gnash is gullible enough to swallow the shit that the cunts have been feeding him.

 

Negged for associating someone as intelligent and principled as The Specials with your incoherent guff.

Um sorry to have to break it to you but the labour manifesto of 84 and 88, Foot and Smith if I'm correct had us pulling out of the EU in the first working parliament.

 

Ps don't pin the silly 'Jonny Foreigner' tag on me or people who want to get rid of the neo con EU, its a ridiculous slur, a silly lazy slur Margret Hodge would be proud of.

[Anny Road]

Anti EU is not anti immigration.

It is self governance.

i would not expect my next door neighbor to organise my household bills just because we are close and it is convenient and we may get a discount.

[Section_31]

Jeremy cunt comparing the EU to a soviet prison.

 

Wibble 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

Jeremy cunt comparing the EU to a soviet prison.

 

Wibble 

The reaction of the Latvians has been excellent. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Um sorry to have to break it to you but the labour manifesto of 84 and 88, Foot and Smith if I'm correct had us pulling out of the EU in the first working parliament.

 

Ps don't pin the silly 'Jonny Foreigner' tag on me or people who want to get rid of the neo con EU, its a ridiculous slur, a silly lazy slur Margret Hodge would be proud of.

A couple of things you may have missed:

1. Labour lost the elections in 83 and 87. (There were no General Elections in 84 or 88.) They were not in Government. 

 

2.  I pinned the "Johnny Foreigner" tag on successive UK Governments and their media cheerleaders. I  didn't accuse you of dishing up the bullshit: I said you swallowed it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

47 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

Anti EU is not anti immigration.

It is self governance.

i would not expect my next door neighbor to organise my household bills just because we are close and it is convenient and we may get a discount.

The EU does not organise the UK economy.  We have our own Governments  - freely choosing to privatise everything in sight; to allow unscrupulous employers to circumvent local union agreements; to refuse to support British industries; to refuse to clamp down on tax dodging; etc. - to take care of that.

[deiseach]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Um sorry to have to break it to you but the labour manifesto of 84 and 88, Foot and Smith if I'm correct had us pulling out of the EU in the first working parliament.

Who is 'Smith'?

[skend04]

25 minutes ago, deiseach said:

Who is 'Smith'?

I think he meant Foot and Smith, great comic duo.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, deiseach said:

Who is 'Smith'?

The Labour leader who directly followed Foot in Gnashworld (while that evil unelected neoliberal bastard Kinnock was spending all his evil unelected neoliberal career over in Brussels).

[deiseach]

11 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The Labour leader who directly followed Foot in Gnashworld (while that evil unelected neoliberal bastard Kinnock was spending all his evil unelected neoliberal career over in Brussels).

That must be the Labour leader in Gnashworld who ran on a platform of leaving the EU. Meanwhile in our world, where the EU would not become the EU until 1993, that Labour leader was such a Europhile that John Major, the Europhile's Europhile, felt able to taunt him as "Monsieur Oui, the poodle of Brussels".

[JohnnyH]

[Gnasher]

16 hours ago, deiseach said:

Who is 'Smith'?

Jon Smith labour leader who proposed leaving the EU in 87 election 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Jon Smith labour leader who proposed leaving the EU in 91 (? election. 

 

[skend04]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Jon Smith labour leader who proposed leaving the EU in 87 election 

Did he have a crystal ball? I mean, the EU wasn't formed until 1993 with the Maastricht Treaty signing.

 

Or are you just chatting shite as per?

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, deiseach said:

That must be the Labour leader in Gnashworld who ran on a platform of leaving the EU. Meanwhile in our world, where the EU would not become the EU until 1993, that Labour leader was such a Europhile that John Major, the Europhile's Europhile, felt able to taunt him as "Monsieur Oui, the poodle of Brussels".

Kinnock cunt  the poddle of Brussels. Smith and Foot were more realistic in their assessment of the EU machine.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

You never did explain how leaving the EU was going to free us from the unelected House of Lords.

 

Here's an easier couple of questions:

1. Do you accept the Government's analysis that every potential Brexit scenario will make the country poorer?

 

2. What do you think we will gain that will make the reduction in GDP worthwhile?

[deiseach]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Kinnock cunt  the poddle of Brussels. Smith and Foot were more realistic in their assessment of the EU machine.

It was John Smith who Major called the poodle of Brussels, not Kinnock, the same John Smith you have pegged as a proto-Brexiteer - "John Smith had a deep commitment to the European Union, rebelling against the party in the 1970s".

 

At this stage I think you're a Remainer trolling as a Leaver because literally everything you say is wrong (Eu, Jon Smith, 84 election, 88 election, 91 election, poddle). 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You never did explain how leaving the EU was going to free us from the unelected House of Lords.

 

Here's an easier couple of questions:

1. Do you accept the Government's analysis that every potential Brexit scenario will make the country poorer?

 

2. What do you think we will gain that will make the reduction in GDP worthwhile?

The Lord's should be abolished, in or out of the EU is irrelevant.

 

Short term will probably see turbulence in the economy as does even the slightest of change. 

 

The gain of leaving the EU is the gain of leaving an organization falling apart at the seams. Deep rooted problems in Spain, Italy, plus the rise of thef far right

 Better to get our now imo.

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, deiseach said:

It was John Smith who Major called the poodle of Brussels, not Kinnock, the same John Smith you have pegged as a proto-Brexiteer - "John Smith had a deep commitment to the European Union, rebelling against the party in the 1970s".

 

At this stage I think you're a Remainer trolling as a Leaver because literally everything you say is wrong (Eu, Jon Smith, 84 election, 88 election, 91 election, poddle). 

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

 

 

There you go, whilst the Blair's and Kinnocks bang the EU drum not everybody in the labour party should be put in the corporate box.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

33 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The Lord's should be abolished, in or out of the EU is irrelevant.

 

Short term will probably see turbulence in the economy as does even the slightest of change. 

 

The gain of leaving the EU is the gain of leaving an organization falling apart at the seams. Deep rooted problems in Spain, Italy, plus the rise of thef far right

 Better to get our now imo.

So, even the Government department whose job it is to make a success of Brexit say that there will be a long-term reduction in the national income; but you say it will be fine, based on... what? Hopes and dreams? Magic beans? Sunshine and lollipops? What?

 

Your second point is that you believe that the EU is being torn apart by racists and Fascists and your response is to walk away and assume that the UK will be immune from the fallout.

 

No way are you a left-winger of any description. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

 

 

There you go, whilst the Blair's and Kinnocks bang the EU drum not everybody in the labour party should be put in the corporate box.

That's Michael Foot.

 

Just admit you got it wrong about John Smith and we can all move on.