*Shakes head* Everton again.

[johnsusername]

2 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

We aren't as heavily reliant on the TV money as they are.

How much ££ does being the last game on Match of the Day every week get these days I wonder. 

[No2]

7 hours ago, Crazy Dave said:

The Coutinho fee is spread across this and the next 3 years in different installment amounts. No club in the world just lobs a massive transfer fee into another clubs account in one go. That’s not how football finance works. The purchasing fee is 99% of the time always paid in installments over a number of years. But hey, fuck the actual facts right? 

 

So yes, the next accounting period won’t look too bad either ta. 

Was this one not different due to the fact PSG paid up front for Neymar and we demanded full payment for Phil? 

[Remmie]

A question for those cool cats that hang out on the grand old team forum: do they have a general forum and if so what is their take on beans on a breakfast? Presumably they are anti beaners what with them being red? 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

4 minutes ago, Remmie said:

A question for those cool cats that hang out on the grand old team forum: do they have a general forum and if so what is there take on beans on a breakfast? Presumably they are anti beaners what with them being red? 

They’re not very popular, surprising as they’re hasbeens

[Babb'sBurstNad]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

Was this one not different due to the fact PSG paid up front for Neymar and we demanded full payment for Phil? 

I think most of the Neymar cash went on Dembele. I expect we got a fair chunk up front though.

[Captain Turdseye]

39 minutes ago, Remmie said:

A question for those cool cats that hang out on the grand old team forum: do they have a general forum and if so what is their take on beans on a breakfast? Presumably they are anti beaners what with them being red? 

 

Never ventured over to their GF. There’s only so much time in a day, Zeb. The essential threads to keep up with are the new stadium one, the Moshiri one and the Usmanov one. They’re all on a public forum. Then there’s the Redshite threads on the World Football forum which you need to sign up to read. 

[Remmie]

6 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Never ventured over to their GF. There’s only so much time in a day, Zeb. 

With that kind of attitude we'll never get our own Haka. My head is falling off

[The Guest]

13 hours ago, Crazy Dave said:

The Coutinho fee is spread across this and the next 3 years in different installment amounts. No club in the world just lobs a massive transfer fee into another clubs account in one go. That’s not how football finance works. The purchasing fee is 99% of the time always paid in installments over a number of years. But hey, fuck the actual facts right? 

 

So yes, the next accounting period won’t look too bad either ta. 

You’re confusing cash and profit.  The guaranteed amount that the club agreed with Barca for Coutinho will have gone in the accounts for that year as a profit on disposal regardless of when the cash is actually transferred.  Some of the addons or at least part of them will have likely been accrued in as well as he gets partway through completing them.  The fees we then spent on all our other transfers will be spread over their contract term which is another reason our profit will be so high.

[TheHowieLama]

Partway through winning the Balon D'Or??

 

How far is he now?

[liverpoolsno9]

23 hours ago, Anubis said:

Gave in and signed up to GOT as I thought Steve0 would be all over that ‘biggest profit ever’ story. But nothing from him, the fucking slacker.

 

Steveo has spoken. Basically, worryingly, it’s not looking good for us. On and off the pitch

 

 

 

Steve0

Player Valuation: £40m

9 minutes ago

New #13,821

HongKongToffee said:

Is their wage bill to turnover as precarious as our 77% which is the highest in the top 5 leagues with Roma 2nd with 71%.

It seems their wages are going up in line with their turnover which for all business is a good sign of stable financial progress, so a £50 million increase isn't that negligible when a turnover has gone up to nearly £450-£500 million range from the £360 million range in the last turnover results.

EDIT

I just looked it up on Swiss Ramble and their wages to turnover last season was at 57%, in their next results factoring in CL revenues they are going to be adding a extra 100 million easily expected in the coming turnover results range so they will still be below 60% and that is factoring in a a £50 million wages increase that @Steve0 alluded to.

I cannot see any financial predicament for them loking at the swiis ramble piece on Twitter, they also have a huge kit deal that was in the papers last week expected to be the biggest in the PL with Nike and Adidas in a bidding war that will boost their coffers more.

I think it helps for them for financial stability that they have former wall street hedge funders owning them i have to say.

Wages going up with turnover is ok if the turnover is predictable, with the greatest will in the world not even many kopites are predicting another CL final or another £150m sale.

Liverpool's predictable income is about the £360m they got in 2017, it really won't have risen much more than that. Wages of £210m in that year, that has risen drastically since then. 

Let's say to £260-£275m? 275/360 takes it up to a precarious 76%. Our wage bill will have come down since that year as a lot of it was expensive signing-on fees. So good news my blue friend, their wage/turnover ratio is going to be a lot worse than ours once exceptional items are taken into consideration.

Also our commercials deals, as percentage, are rising higher than Liverpools. New kit deal due next year. The £5m for the training ground. The sleeve sponsor. Sport Pesa tripling our shirt sponsorship deal. 

A new kit deal is likely but there's still over a year to run with this one. Other than that commercial deals are maximised imo. 

So let's call the predictable income - £45m shirt sponsorship, £65m kit deal, Match day income £65m, EPL tv and prize money = £140m = £315m altogether. Very likely to be more than that but even if they were to win the CL (   ) it's not going to surpass £500m; the only thing that will let them do that is player sales. Basically £365m is their limit tbqh.

Then there's the debt and the £9million a year it's costing to service (likely to rise). 

So a superficially good 'profit' this year but utterly unsustainable.
A host of players set to leave on frees.
An almost out of control wage structure. 
An ever growing debt.
A small and deceptively old squad. 

The lack of quality in the squad is exposed every time Klopp rests a handful of players in the domestic cups. A couple of injuries/loss of form/ an ordinary amount of luck would be catastrophic. With Mane and Salah spending their summer in Africa this year it could create problems next year.

The core of their team has passed their peak age so there's no improvement likely.

Liverpool fans should enjoy this season for all its worth because the future, I'm sorry to report, looks very, very bleak indeed. It's a shame really, they've spent more than any other team without winning their domestic league....over £1bn and counting but the next few years are going to be very interesting.

[Angie81]

I still buzz off this they put through my door at Christmas. I actually touched it. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Season's greetings with a humbug on it.

 

It's a humbug. Deffo.

[The Guest]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Partway through winning the Balon D'Or??

 

How far is he now?

I said some of them which he will be having made so many appearance etc.  I’m not sure the balon d’or add on is even real.  The fella on sky today who’s written some shit book is claiming it but his figures are completely wrong.

[3 Stacks]

23 hours ago, Anubis said:

Gave in and signed up to GOT as I thought Steve0 would be all over that ‘biggest profit ever’ story. But nothing from him, the fucking slacker.

 

23 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

I’m Duncan Donuts. Who are you?

 

22 hours ago, Leyton388 said:

I'm also on there as it's bloody helerious watching them explode with fume and obsess about us.

 

Post some choice morsels from the "Echo fears of witch-hunt against Liverpool FC" thread, please. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

He’s good SteveO, he endears himself to them, says what they want to hear and then drops some beauts in that give him away. He’s that good we still cannot tell if he is Blue or mental.

[an tha]

35 minutes ago, liverpoolsno9 said:

 

Steveo has spoken. Basically, worryingly, it’s not looking good for us. On and off the pitch

 

 

 

Steve0

Player Valuation: £40m

9 minutes ago

New #13,821

HongKongToffee said:

Is their wage bill to turnover as precarious as our 77% which is the highest in the top 5 leagues with Roma 2nd with 71%.

It seems their wages are going up in line with their turnover which for all business is a good sign of stable financial progress, so a £50 million increase isn't that negligible when a turnover has gone up to nearly £450-£500 million range from the £360 million range in the last turnover results.

EDIT

I just looked it up on Swiss Ramble and their wages to turnover last season was at 57%, in their next results factoring in CL revenues they are going to be adding a extra 100 million easily expected in the coming turnover results range so they will still be below 60% and that is factoring in a a £50 million wages increase that @Steve0 alluded to.

I cannot see any financial predicament for them loking at the swiis ramble piece on Twitter, they also have a huge kit deal that was in the papers last week expected to be the biggest in the PL with Nike and Adidas in a bidding war that will boost their coffers more.

I think it helps for them for financial stability that they have former wall street hedge funders owning them i have to say.

Wages going up with turnover is ok if the turnover is predictable, with the greatest will in the world not even many kopites are predicting another CL final or another £150m sale.

Liverpool's predictable income is about the £360m they got in 2017, it really won't have risen much more than that. Wages of £210m in that year, that has risen drastically since then. 

Let's say to £260-£275m? 275/360 takes it up to a precarious 76%. Our wage bill will have come down since that year as a lot of it was expensive signing-on fees. So good news my blue friend, their wage/turnover ratio is going to be a lot worse than ours once exceptional items are taken into consideration.

Also our commercials deals, as percentage, are rising higher than Liverpools. New kit deal due next year. The £5m for the training ground. The sleeve sponsor. Sport Pesa tripling our shirt sponsorship deal. 

A new kit deal is likely but there's still over a year to run with this one. Other than that commercial deals are maximised imo. 

So let's call the predictable income - £45m shirt sponsorship, £65m kit deal, Match day income £65m, EPL tv and prize money = £140m = £315m altogether. Very likely to be more than that but even if they were to win the CL (   ) it's not going to surpass £500m; the only thing that will let them do that is player sales. Basically £365m is their limit tbqh.

Then there's the debt and the £9million a year it's costing to service (likely to rise). 

So a superficially good 'profit' this year but utterly unsustainable.
A host of players set to leave on frees.
An almost out of control wage structure. 
An ever growing debt.
A small and deceptively old squad. 

The lack of quality in the squad is exposed every time Klopp rests a handful of players in the domestic cups. A couple of injuries/loss of form/ an ordinary amount of luck would be catastrophic. With Mane and Salah spending their summer in Africa this year it could create problems next year.

The core of their team has passed their peak age so there's no improvement likely.

Liverpool fans should enjoy this season for all its worth because the future, I'm sorry to report, looks very, very bleak indeed. It's a shame really, they've spent more than any other team without winning their domestic league....over £1bn and counting but the next few years are going to be very interesting.

The funniest man on the internet - bar none.

[Anubis]

I knew Steve wouldn’t let me down. We’ve gone from not looking good to very, very bleak indeed. All while posting a record profit and with a huge new kit deal in the offing, not to mention increased tv revenue. 

 

I’m a very fearful little bunny, and I’m not sniggering at all.

[Creator Supreme]

I have to laugh at the smiley faces about us winning the CL. I know we've no chance, but at least we're fucking in it!

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

No Stadium news in the Echo yet this week, saving that for our profit announcement I reckon. What will it be?

 

1 Profile foreign clubs new ground as what their new ground could be.

2 Another study of some ilk.

3 Dan Meis gets a new tattoo.

[Harry Squatter]

6 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

No Stadium news in the Echo yet this week, saving that for our profit announcement I reckon. What will it be?

 

1 Profile foreign clubs new ground as what their new ground could be.

2 Another study of some ilk.

3 Dan Meis gets a new tattoo.

4. How new grounds regenerated the areas they were built in.

 

5. Denise Barrett Baxendale stating that they are working tirelessly behind the scenes on various aspects of the new stadium including a faith room and a baby breastfeeding room. The first in the world. However, another 3 public consultation schemes will need to be done to see whether there will be a demand for it.

 

6. The Bramley Moore pub turning it's 4 smack den rooms upstairs into hotel rooms. A clear indication that the stadium will get the green light.

[Anubis]

Richarlson in The ‘Red’ Echo as good as admitting he’s open to offers from teams in other leagues.

 

 

"I do not have the desire to play in a specific league. The best league in the world is the Premier League and I'm happy here in England.

"Here, there are the best players in the world, the league is very difficult, is the most difficult, there are practically seven teams competing for the title. I'm very happy here."

[Remmie]

7 teams competing for the title? 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

5. Denise Barrett Baxendale stating that they are working tirelessly behind the scenes on various aspects of the new stadium including a faith room and a baby breastfeeding room.

 

The bitter bitty room.

[Harry Squatter]

8 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Richarlson in The ‘Red’ Echo as good as admitting he’s open to offers from teams in other leagues.

 

 

"I do not have the desire to play in a specific league. The best league in the world is the Premier League and I'm happy here in England.

"Here, there are the best players in the world, the league is very difficult, is the most difficult, there are practically seven teams competing for the title and I play for a shite team in a wooden dump, who are mid table and who never shut up about Liverpool. I'm very happy to pick up my massive wages until a big club come in for me"

 

[manwiththestick]

I would like to ask Steveo how, if we have a "deceptively old squad" as he says, did we recently field the youngest team in the Premier League? And not some end of season dead rubber either.