The McCanns...

[Pureblood]

11 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

I fear we may have strayed into conspiracy theory territory.

All a conspiracy is, in the legal sense, is two or more people conspiring to commit a crime.  Not a big deal, really.  When people use that word it's a pretty cheap shot.  I take it as an insult, because I know what they really mean by it. 

[Rico1304]

19 minutes ago, TK421 said:

All a conspiracy is, in the legal sense, is two or more people conspiring to commit a crime.  Not a big deal, really.  When people use that word it's a pretty cheap shot.  I take it as an insult, because I know what they really mean by it. 

For clarity I mean it as an insult. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

49 minutes ago, TK421 said:

All a conspiracy is, in the legal sense, is two or more people conspiring to commit a crime.  Not a big deal, really.  When people use that word it's a pretty cheap shot.  I take it as an insult, because I know what they really mean by it. 

And on the flip side of that coin is you calling someone gullible for not believing they had anything to do with it. 

 

Or is that not an insult?

[Pureblood]

8 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

And on the flip side of that coin is you calling someone gullible for not believing they had anything to do with it. 

 

Or is that not an insult?

Yes it is, obviously.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

2 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Yes it is, obviously.

Fair enough, by your rule of thumb it deserves negging then.

 

Happy to oblige.

[Pureblood]

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.

 

http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/2017/05/madeleine-mccann-and-operation-grange_9.html

[Anny Road]

13 minutes ago, TK421 said:

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.

 

http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/2017/05/madeleine-mccann-and-operation-grange_9.html

If you are going to quote add some context.

 

'My brush with that investigation – and I call it that because I was never actually involved with it'

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

If you are going to quote add some context.

 

'My brush with that investigation – and I call it that because I was never actually involved with it'

Ha ha ha ha.

 

Hes doing it again. At least he’s paid his subs. 

[Pureblood]

11 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

If you are going to quote add some context.

 

'My brush with that investigation – and I call it that because I was never actually involved with it'

It's by Colin Sutton, he's a retired policeman.  He had learned that he was going to be approached to lead the Operation Grange investigation, but refused to take part because he was forewarned that the only avenue that would be explored was the abduction theory and that the McCanns/tapas 7 would not be questioned.  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF7fR0J5HOw

[magicrat]

Whats the suggestive motive for SY being told by the governments they couldn't interview the McCanns ?

[Pureblood]

10 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Whats the suggestive motive for SY being told by the governments they couldn't interview the McCanns ?

Because they know the McCanns are involved in the concealment of their daughter's corpse, as concluded by Tavares Almeida in his interim report.

 

From everything that was exposed from the AUTOS, we conclude that:
A) The minor Madeleine McCann died in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort, on the night of May 3rd of 2007;

B) It was performed a simulation of kidnapping;

C) In order to avoid the death [alarm] of the minor before 22H00, it was created a situation of the children's surveillance by the McCann while the children slept;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the occultation of the cadaver of their child Madeleine McCann;

E) At this moment, there seems that there aren't strong indicia that the death of the minor didn't happen due to a tragic accident;

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

[magicrat]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

Because they know the McCanns are involved in the concealment of their daughters corpse, as concluded by Tavares Almeida in his interim report.

 

From everything that was exposed from the AUTOS, we conclude that:
A) The minor Madeleine McCann died in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort, on the night of May 3rd of 2007;

B) It was performed a simulation of kidnapping;

C) In order to avoid the death [alarm] of the minor before 22H00, it was created a situation of the children's surveillance by the McCann while the children slept;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the occultation of the cadaver of their child Madeleine McCann;

E) At this moment, there seems that there aren't strong indicia that the death of the minor didn't happen due to a tragic accident;

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

But why are they being protected from investigation if what you post is credible ?

[Pureblood]

Just now, magicrat said:

But why are they being protected from investigation if what you post is credible ?

I don't know, but there's no doubt in my mind that they are being fully protected by the UK government.  As Colin Sutton says, it's common sense to question the parents if only to rule them out.  For an investigation with a budget of £12m it's not a lot to ask for.

[Juniper]

20 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Because they know the McCanns are involved in the concealment of their daughter's corpse, as concluded by Tavares Almeida in his interim report.

 

From everything that was exposed from the AUTOS, we conclude that:
A) The minor Madeleine McCann died in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort, on the night of May 3rd of 2007;

B) It was performed a simulation of kidnapping;

C) In order to avoid the death [alarm] of the minor before 22H00, it was created a situation of the children's surveillance by the McCann while the children slept;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the occultation of the cadaver of their child Madeleine McCann;

E) At this moment, there seems that there aren't strong indicia that the death of the minor didn't happen due to a tragic accident;

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

There is a major inaccuracy in that report, in that the cadaver dog picked up a scent in the boot of the hire car. Which never happened, something I remember being widely shared at the time as a major cause for them being guilty, which turns out never actually happened.

 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3504.0

 

Even Colin Suttons opening paragraph on that link you shared stated this.

 

All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved

[magicrat]

17 minutes ago, TK421 said:

I don't know, but there's no doubt in my mind that they are being fully protected by the UK government.  As Colin Sutton says, it's common sense to question the parents if only to rule them out.  For an investigation with a budget of £12m it's not a lot to ask for.

That's my problem with all of this . I cant think of a motive for the UK government to meddle in the investigation other than to ensure the terms of reference agreed with the Portugese are followed. You then have to ask why they would want to prevent SY interviewing the McCann's  

[Pureblood]

28 minutes ago, Juniper said:

There is a major inaccuracy in that report, in that the cadaver dog picked up a scent in the boot of the hire car. Which never happened, something I remember being widely shared at the time as a major cause for them being guilty, which turns out never actually happened.

 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3504.0

 

Even Colin Suttons opening paragraph on that link you shared stated this.

 

All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved

Personally I think that the presence of actual blood, and cadaver odour, in the apartment and various other locations (e.g. on cuddle cat) is more of a problem for the McCanns.  The police made a mistake, shit happens.

 

As for Colin Sutton, he's just choosing his words carefully.  He's not stupid enough to commit one way or another.  The relevant point is that the McCanns should have been questioned as part of Operation Grange. 

[Pureblood]

26 minutes ago, magicrat said:

That's my problem with all of this . I cant think of a motive for the UK government to meddle in the investigation other than to ensure the terms of reference agreed with the Portugese are followed. You then have to ask why they would want to prevent SY interviewing the McCann's  

I don't know what the motive is but I'm sure they are being protected.  Otherwise they would have been questioned, there would have been a full reconstruction and so on.  £12m spent and they haven't questioned the parents - that doesn't add up.  Gerry McCann claims to be the last person to have seen Madeleine alive, therefore he should be questioned.

[Rico1304]

He’s a fucking lunatic!!

 

Thats the answer, he’s posted ‘evidence’ that disproves his point all the way through the thread. 

 

His preferred position is that a couple killed their kid rather than a nonce did.  That says it all. 

[Juniper]

12 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Personally I think that the presence of actual blood, and cadaver odour, in the apartment and various other locations (e.g. on cuddle cat) is more of a problem for the McCanns.  The police made a mistake, shit happens.

 

As for Colin Sutton, he's just choosing his words carefully.  He's not stupid enough to commit one way or another.  The relevant point is that the McCanns should have been questioned as part of Operation Grange. 

Oh yeah, I'm not questioning other factors that could be a cause for concern and I'm not an expert in this case/crime scene workings to understand it on a detailed level, I'm seeing a lot of things in this case for the first time. 

 

I do remember that inaccuracy being a major piece of news at the time though, which no doubt helped fuel certain opinions on the McCann family and probably their reaction to the authorities.

 

And yes. Colin's blog entry is very balanced/impartial but it still doesn't imply guilt for that questioning not taking place. He's more talking about following certain processes to come to more certain conclusions.

 

Regardless of if they did/didn't the Portuguese police looked to have majorly bodged this case to the point of the truth probably never coming out/being proven.

[Juniper]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He’s a fucking lunatic!!

 

Thats the answer, he’s posted ‘evidence’ that disproves his point all the way through the thread. 

 

His preferred position is that a couple killed their kid rather than a nonce did.  That says it all. 

Now now, some of us are trying to have a calm conversation/debate.

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, Juniper said:

Oh yeah, I'm not questioning other factors that could be a cause for concern and I'm not an expert in this case/crime scene workings to understand it on a detailed level, I'm seeing a lot of things in this case for the first time. 

 

I do remember that inaccuracy being a major piece of news at the time though, which no doubt helped fuel certain opinions on the McCann family and probably their reaction to the authorities.

 

And yes. Colin's blog entry is very balanced/impartial but it still doesn't imply guilt for that questioning not taking place. He's more talking about following certain processes to come to more certain conclusions.

 

Regardless of if they did/didn't the Portuguese police looked to have majorly bodged this case to the point of the truth probably never coming out.

 

I think that's a really unfair conclusion to come to in respect of the Portuguese police.  They carried out the largest physical search for a missing person in Portuguese history, quickly theorised what had happened in the apartment, had their main suspects, obtained physical evidence, thousands of witness statements and worked around the clock under intense international media scrutiny.  They did a good job, but were ultimately backed into a corner by external political pressure. 

 

Goncalo Amaral did a lot of good work on this case and his book is worth a read by anyone interested in the case, if only to give some counterbalance as to how matters are portrayed in the British mainstream media. 

[VladimirIlyich]

On 14/03/2019 at 18:19, Nelly-Torres said:

Who would you trust the most to look after your kids? The McCanns or David Steel? 

What has a former Northamptonshire County Cricket Captain got to do with it?

[Juniper]

18 minutes ago, TK421 said:

 

I think that's a really unfair conclusion to come to in respect of the Portuguese police.  They carried out the largest physical search for a missing person in Portuguese history, quickly theorised what had happened in the apartment, had their main suspects, obtained physical evidence, thousands of witness statements and worked around the clock under intense international media scrutiny.  They did a good job, but were ultimately backed into a corner by external political pressure. 

 

Goncalo Amaral did a lot of good work on this case and his book is worth a read by anyone interested in the case, if only to give some counterbalance as to how matters are portrayed in the British mainstream media. 

Good stuff, I'll check that book out in that case if it's recommended.

 

Always happy to look at both sides, which in this case where there are so many unsettling/strange factors is needed for sure. 

[Jennings]

1 minute ago, Juniper said:

Good stuff, I'll check that book out in that case if it's recommended.

 

Always happy to look at both sides, which in this case where there are so many unsettling/strange factors is needed for sure. 

Yeah - there's deffo weird shit on both sides.

 

Like...just what opportunity did the McCanns have? They only had a 3 hour window to do all this stuff?

They got 7 other accomplices involved? Very unlikely. You can't collude with 9 people in that space of time. With that many involved (Tapas 9) - they wouldn't be able to stop leakage of info.

Why do they fight hard to keep themselves in the spotlight if they had wronged?

 

Like I said weird shit on both sides. I guess that's what make it so interesting to people.

[Pureblood]

8 minutes ago, Juniper said:

Good stuff, I'll check that book out in that case if it's recommended.

 

Always happy to look at both sides, which in this case where there are so many unsettling/strange factors is needed for sure. 

The whole thing is here translated into English.

 

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com