Thatcher

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Thought she was clinging on then.

 

People who defend her are/where those who still continue to benefit from her 'legacy'

 

Its my b'day next week Maggie if you wanna make it a b'day to remember

 

Anyone from the City of Liverpool and its surrounding area who can raise any positives from the Thatcher era need to take a look at themselves. Militant were self serving shysters posing under the flag of Socialism, Maggie had her way with Liverpool before Militant appeared. Maybe we should ban Unions and install Players from the City to look after the welfare of the working population. Unions like everyone else are prone to mistakes and self indulgence by certain members. The sooner that twat dies, hopefully painfully, the better. She can burn in Hell with Agent Orange Dennis for eternity.

[Mr. Beast]

Echo the thoughts of some here, the criticism of Thatcher is justified and then some - a lady with a pretty large humanity deficit. At one point her passing might have excited me slightly but she was just a saleswoman, she wasn't any great political thinker, she did what she was told like Blair, Raegan, Cameron - the architects of her policy will reign long after she's gone. unless it itself is confronted. as satisfying as a fallen symbol is, that's all she is. if anything i'm slightly dreading the inevitable rush to revisonism that will probably follow after her death is announced.

[Elmyn Noos]

Nah, Mellor was John Major's man. He was banging the Chelsea-top-wearing-slut in the early 90s.

 

US, and certainly Reagan's, closest ally, not playing ANY part in the fall of communism whatsoever?

 

And the media not biased towards Thatcher? I have not been a regular reader of UK press, but I know this, in the norwegian press she's not pictured cery well. I've grown up with Reagan/Thatcher = evil. I also know that wegian journalists get their analysis of foreign politics from the international press, and their only second language is mostly english.

 

An interesting point is this: Reagan, who applied Thatcher-like fiscal politics domesticly at the same time; lowering income taxes, taking on the unions etc. And Reagan's US also experienced some of the problems Thatcher's Britain did; unemployment peaked during his tenure (though early on, and was bad when he was elected) and income inequality.

 

Still, in polls, he ranks as one of America's most popular presidents. Whereas Thatcher, I suspect, wouldn't do too well in similar polls. At least if this poll is anything to go by.

 

Am pretty neutral in my view on Thatcher, but then again I probably don't know enough about the effects of her politics to have a qualified opinion.

 

Missed this last time round.

 

Fair enough Mellor was in Major's cabinet, but he was most definitely Thatcher's man, and a more loathesome creature you would struggle to find.

 

Being an ally (and I expect all allies are "closest" allies) is no evidence that she played any part in the fall of communism. I have still yet to see her credited in any part anywhere with this.

 

By media, we were clearly talking in the context of the UK. You do not read UK media. Norwegian media, and, in fact, Norway, is irrelevant not only in this context, but in pretty much any context I can think of.

 

Your last sentence, however, is accurate. Congratulations on that.

[Sugar Ape]

Thatcher and Blair are the Shankly and Paisley of politics, and may Shankely the socialist strike me down for using him as a Thatcher comparison.

 

One took over when the country was on it knees economically and cut away all the dead wood and did what was needed to jump start everything. The other took the country onto a different level after all the foundations had been established.

 

It's unlikely that Thatcher could have done Blairs job and vice versa. Similarly most Liverpool supporters reckon Shankley was what was needed when we were dead and buried in Division 2, and Paisley was the one to take it further. Horses for courses.

 

Sweet Jesus.

[Scooby Dudek]

Just read this entire tread from the start, Noos has ruled in my opinion.

 

She looked after her own. If you weren't one of hers' she would go out of her way to fuck you over. Communities were destroyed for purely ideological reasons, it went way beyond sorting out the economy, weakening the unions etc. There was no safety net put in place because she didn't give a toss about the have nots she created.

 

If I am sober enough to stand, I will be joining in the dancing on her grave.

[VladimirIlyich]

If anybody who doesnt fall into the category of the top 5% of society financially considers her anything other than an evil vindictive murdering bitch then they are seriously deluded or too young to understand the damage she inflicted on the lower classes of british society.

[sparta7]

Great thread, I must have missed this first time round so would just like to mention that the hateful rancid old hag wont need an overcoat where shes going.

[zigackly]

Tick tock ...

[Magic Sponge]

Is it dead yet?

[L19red]

Is it dead yet?

 

Is Margaret Thatcher Dead Yet?

[RobbieOR]

My mate text me earlier to say that theres a rumour that she's dead. Whats the rumour?

[lifetime fan]

My mate text me earlier to say that theres a rumour that she's dead. Whats the rumour?

 

Depressingly not true.

[Hand Shandy]

It's lucky I like you Zig, or you'd be getting a neg...

 

You can't be getting my hopes up like that!

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Just die you old slag.

[zigackly]

It's lucky I like you Zig, or you'd be getting a neg...

 

You can't be getting my hopes up like that!

 

Me? What did I do?

[Lucky Pierre]

 

Me? What did I do?

 

I came into this thread expecting to hear good news!

[Sugar Ape]

Zig didn't bump it though, Sparta7 did!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

She can't die yet.

 

I want her to see what more than two million trade unionists taking direct action against the Tories looks like - just once more.

 

Basically, I want her to watch all the people she was ever close to die, then everything she ever stood for be overturned, then I want her to reflect that her entire life has come to nothing. Then she can go to her reward (on the end of a pitchfork).

[VladimirIlyich]

She can't die yet.

 

I want her to see what more than two million trade unionists taking direct action against the Tories looks like - just once more.

 

Basically, I want her to watch all the people she was ever close to die, then everything she ever stood for be overturned, then I want her to reflect that her entire life has come to nothing. Then she can go to her reward (on the end of a pitchfork).

 

Fuck me,you want her to live forever?

[Lucky Pierre]

She can't die yet.

 

I want her to see what more than two million trade unionists taking direct action against the Tories looks like - just once more.

 

Basically, I want her to watch all the people she was ever close to die, then everything she ever stood for be overturned, then I want her to reflect that her entire life has come to nothing. Then she can go to her reward (on the end of a pitchfork).

I want to raise a pint of Thatchers cider to her death.

[lifetime fan]

I want to raise a pint of Thatchers cider to her death.

 

It'll be a Gold day.

[Phoenix]

She went too far and some parts of the country which she left to rot will never be able to forgive her.

 

No legacy just another prime minister to be forgotten about in a few decades

[brucespanner]

She went too far and some parts of the country which she left to rot will never be able to forgive her.

 

No legacy just another prime minister to be forgotten about in a few decades

 

Are you being serious?

 

She is responsible, directly or indirectly, for the shit we find ourselves in now. We have no industry because she sold it off, maybe she wasn't fully complicit, but she rubber stamped it! The fact utility bills, rail travel and property prices are so high is because of that cunt. Fucking short sighted of you not to see all that fucker is responsible, again directly or indirectly, for is myopic in the slightest.

 

We are now seeing the full effects of what she, and her government of the day, did and it's fucking scandalous!!!!

[Strontium]

Thanks for bumping this. Two thoughts spring to mind:

 

1) Despite claims that I've become some slobbering right winger over the last 18 months, this thread proves that my views have actually been (a) remarkably consistent and (b) not right wing.

 

2) Political debates were much more civil back in 2007. You can speculate on the reasons for that if you want, but I'd just suggest you compare this discussion with a more recent one.

 

 

Just been re-re-reading the thread, very interesting. Anyone who's accused me of being a Thatcherite (such as the anonocunt taggers on the "Cameron..." thread) would be well-advised to read it.

 

And anyone who's accused me of recently swinging to the right should read this which I wrote 4 and a half years ago, which is entirely consistent with my present position on the NHS, free schools and so on.

 

I certainly support re-nationalising the buses (it's official LD policy too) but nationalising utilities, railways etc seems to be holding to a dogmatic position that these things should be state owned, even when it would make things worse. Surely the primary focus should be on providing a good public service, whatever way this is accomplished?

 

For one thing, I don't agree with concentrating all that power in the hands of the state. Basic democratic theory holds that centres of power and wealth should be accessible and controlled by people other than those running the apparatus of the state. Nationalising everything in sight leads you to a situation like Venezuela, where productivity has slumped, capital investment has stalled, and quality of the output is worse.

[stringvest]

Why buses and not rail?