Roy completely bullied by baconface

[Red22]

Bullshit! It means absolutely nothing.

 

Do you think that a player sees the chance of a 50/50 challenge and thinks, 'hang on, the manager wants a glass of wine with their manager after the game so i'm not gonna bother challenging for this...'

 

All of this other stuff is just people looking for the smallest thing to criticise him for, when there are actually some footballing aspects with which he deserves some criticism.

 

Of course it means something. Being a leader is about inspiring the people below you, making them believe that they're better than they are. If I were a player wayching that pre-game press conference I'd see that our manager is more concerned about being friends with the opposing manager than he is with winning.

 

It's not exactly inspiring is it?

[King Emlyn]

And still is:

 

F.C. Internazionale Milano

 

At the end of today's press conference at Inter's training ground, and after reading the comments of Alex Ferguson reported by British and Italian websites, Benitez remarked: "I am genuinely surprised that an experienced and important coach like him said these things and talked so much about me. I have been in Italy for three months now... I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and the truth. And they know that it is easy to pass judgment if you have been in power for 24 years."

I think that's a superb response myself, nowt wrong with that. It was time for Benitez to go, no question, but Hodgson isn't fit to wipe Benitez's arse.

[King Emlyn]

Ferguson has always praised the teams and managers that are not a threat to him. It is very simple, he thinks only of winning the league, winning the CL, everything else, including friendships, are irrelevant. Hodgson has never been a threat so far, so he can be a friend. Hodgson is not a threat today, especially as we are (in the words of Dalglish) out of the league already now by losing this game. Hodgson's comments both before and after the game were poorly chosen, and endear him only to few gullible souls.

 

Hodgson would be wise to shut up for now, and start coaching the team. There was a time for platitudes, but it is gone. 5 games, 5 points. Now is time for action, not red wine. The next games are crucial, for the team, and for the manager.

Great post

[Brownie]

Of course it means something. Being a leader is about inspiring the people below you, making them believe that they're better than they are. If I were a player wayching that pre-game press conference I'd see that our manager is more concerned about being friends with the opposing manager than he is with winning.

 

It's not exactly inspiring is it?

 

Chelsea look totally uninspired at the moment don't they?

 

All of this stuff is absolute bullshit.

 

As for the bit in bold, you do that on the training pitch, not in press conferences, in my opinion.

[Kennys_spell]

Appearances can be very deceiving, especially in football.

 

Could you provide a couple of examples please?

[TheResonator]

Chelsea look totally uninspired at the moment don't they?

 

Ancellotti doesn't allow himself to be treated the way Hodgson was today. As I said, I can't think of another top manager who would anywhere.

 

Psychology is very important in having a successful football team, hence all the talk about winning mentality being important, etc. Allowing yourself to be humiliated without retort in the way Hodgson was today is not something a 'winner' would do. Ferguson merited a massive "fuck you" for what he said today, and he didn't get one.

[stringvest]

I don't agree with you on this one to be honest. For me, the football and the way he conducts himself are inseparable. This is a combative game in which actions speak louder than words and if somebody gets in your face you have to get back in theirs.

 

You don't see, for example, one team just standing around when the opposition are surrounding the referee; or when one of the other teams players goes flying dangerously into a tackle - you give a bit back. You get in amongst them; you stand up for yourself and don't let them push you around. It isn't about overreacting, but it is about fighting your corner.

 

His representation of the club off the field has to be philosophically consistent with the way the players represent the club on it, and it's a fiery, passionate game. That's what I want to see from the players and that's what I want to see from the manager. I don't want a team of players who bite their tongues when they get mugged off. You control yourself, but you give as good as you get. Anything else is - I believe rightly - perceived as timidity. That timidity will be transmitted into the team.

 

What a shame we didn't bring Phil Brown in as manager.

[Brownie]

Ancellotti doesn't allow himself to be treated the way Hodgson was today. As I said, I can't think of another top manager who would anywhere.

 

Psychology is very important in having a successful football team, hence all the talk about winning mentality being important, etc. Allowing yourself to be humiliated without retort in the way Hodgson was today is not something a 'winner' would do. Ferguson merited a massive "fuck you" for what he said today, and he didn't get one.

 

You're talking out of your arse mate. Sorry, but you are.

[Nathanzx]

It does matter, if a club's manager is perceived as a pushover and defers to all around him then more than likely he won't have the requisite leadership skills needed to inspire the troops

[Coro]

and Ferguson totally humiliated him in the post-match interview.

 

What was said?

[Red Nick]

Over the years I have worked with lots of managers in my employment & Roy strikes me as one of those that is likeable & erudite but has no real authority over the workforce & will move on to pastures new without leaving any stamp of his tenure.

 

I'm sure Torres & Gerrard are enjoying the fact that he is in awe of them & is not as miserable & grudging of praise as Benitez, but sometimes you need to be taken out of your comfort zone.

 

Yep exactly right.

 

You could see Rafa, Capello, Mourinho or Ferguson being a top CEO but never managers such as Hodgson or Roy Evans. Not dissing Roy Evans because he won a trophy and got us playing great football but didnt have that personal drive and hardness that a top CEO or football manager needs

[TheResonator]

What a shame we didn't bring Phil Brown in as manager.

 

Ridiculous. Obviously there are shit managers out there like Fat Sam and Phil Brown who are robust and arrogant. What I'm saying is that it's hard to find a top one who will allow themselves to be more-or-less openly mocked without responding.

 

You're talking out of your arse mate. Sorry, but you are.

 

No need for that really just because we have different perspectives on the situation.

 

Hodgson, in the build-up to the game, was very eager to convey the respect he had for Ferguson as manager of United and that he hoped the feeling was mutual and would not be changed because he was managing Liverpool.

 

Ferguson's response to this widely publicised and perhaps controversial respect was to basically say how terrible we were today; ''it could have been a cricket score''; ''it took a ref and a linesman to get them back in it''; ''Torres tried to get O'Shea sent off etc. etc.''. No respect for Hodgson whatsoever, totally derisive.

 

Respect is mutual and when you show somebody some and they don't show the same, that merits a response, no? Especially within the contexts of a game which is deeply tribalistic and competitive.

 

Pointless continuing this really as I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine, but I hope you can at least understand where I'm coming from.

[Red Nick]

Pidge, if Hodgson is unable to change the way the team plays, what use is he?

 

Hodgson has changed the way the team plays and thats the whole point, were defending much deeper than we did under Rafa.

 

We are playing the way Hodgson wants us to play its the same system he played at Fulham

[stringvest]

Over the years I have worked with lots of managers in my employment & Roy strikes me as one of those that is likeable & erudite but has no real authority over the workforce & will move on to pastures new without leaving any stamp of his tenure.

 

I'm sure Torres & Gerrard are enjoying the fact that he is in awe of them & is not as miserable & grudging of praise as Benitez, but sometimes you need to be taken out of your comfort zone.

 

I normally enjoy your jokes Roger, but not only is this one not funny, it's just completely wrong. Hodgson in awe of Torres and Gerrard? What the fuck has happened to everybody?

[Red22]

Chelsea look totally uninspired at the moment don't they?

 

All of this stuff is absolute bullshit.

 

As for the bit in bold, you do that on the training pitch, not in press conferences, in my opinion.

 

 

Chelsea have an inspiring manager, one who doesn't care much for Ferguson's glasses of wine. A lot of the game is in the mind. If you have a manager who appears to be subserviant to the opposing manager, how would that make you feel as a player? Would it inspire you?

 

I just find it hard to get behind an arse-kisser. You want someone with balls leading your club.

[Brownie]

Ridiculous. Obviously there are shit managers out there like Fat Sam and Phil Brown who are robust and arrogant. What I'm saying is that it's hard to find a top one who will allow themselves to be more-or-less openly mocked without responding.

 

 

 

No need for that really just because we have different perspectives on the situation.

 

Hodgson, in the build-up to the game, was very eager to convey the respect he had for Ferguson as manager of United and that he hoped the feeling was mutual and would not be changed because he was managing Liverpool.

 

Ferguson's response to this widely publicised and perhaps controversial respect was to basically say how terrible we were today; ''it could have been a cricket score''; ''it took a ref and a linesman to get them back in it''; ''Torres tried to get O'Shea sent off etc. etc.''. No respect for Hodgson whatsoever, totally derisive.

 

Respect is mutual and when you show somebody some and they don't show the same, that merits a response, no? Especially within the contexts of a game which is deeply tribalistic and competitive.

 

Pointless continuing this really as I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine, but I hope you can at least understand where I'm coming from.

 

I do know where you're coming from and I apologise for saying that. I still think that you're completely over-stating it though.

 

Ferguson is a cunt and always has been but he's a great manager. I have no problem with Hodgson ignoring it and I believe there are countless examples of managers who look to avoid confrontation but always win.

 

*whispers* Bob Paisley...

[Tom R]

just looking at some of the post-match comments and they really do emphasise exactly what we are lacking i.e. passion, energy, belief

 

 

Whiskeynose came out with his usual one-eyed garbage saying it could have been 10, saying it's a catastrophe for our title chances, saying Torres was trying to get O' Shea sent off (nothing to do with his tackle then taggart you sad bitter old drunk) and that basically the linesman got us back in the game and at 2-2 the result was a travesty....basically he came out with all the spiel you'd expect from a drunk embittered repressed sexually frustrated chronically undereducated and incestuously one-eyed manc fan, usually you'd expect slightly more dignity and magnamity from a manager but that's taggart for you and that's why he's universally hated outside of their place.....but even though he is an angry pile of shoite, he is successful, he stands up for his club and he bends over for nobody

 

compare his post-match reaction to his old buddy roys

 

Roy is nice and articulate and erudite and loved by the media because he uses big words, is polite and gives long "thoughtful" answers, he is a reasonable, civilised and dignified man.......oh and he hasn't won an away game this milennium, we have 5 points from 5 games and have had less efforts on goal than my castrated pooch has had wet dreams

 

Roy after the game said he was happy with our comeback, that we almost saw the game out, that the performance was an improvement on the last few games (no it wasn't, it was the same sterile muck, I was no fan of Rafa but he averaged about 15-20 goal attempts a game, Roy is aiming for about a quarter of that average and failing), we were unlucky, conceding late is tough, "we can take a lot of credit for the way we went about our business", oh and he said maybe Sir Alex (as he calls him) is right that is it catastophic in terms of comparing ourselves with Chelsea but his focus in on trying to get into Champions League, he also said despite people on the Liverpool bench jumping around saying O' Shea should have got red, he thought it would be "churlish" to demand red cards for "petty" offenses and to finish up Roy said "I thought United played well but to undermine our performance is a little bit harsh.

 

 

I really am staggered by Roys comments, he just is not a Liverpool manager, simple as that. I am sure he is having a nice glass of shiraz with his friend Sir Alex now and recommending him a new paperbook maybe.

 

The guy is a decent coach for a side with midtable aspirations, he'll organise a team, make it hard to beat BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN SOMETHING, you need to display some attacking quality, any kind of offensive plan would be good. For God's sake the guy failed to buy a back-up striker for Torres as we desperately whored ourselves out to various agents of unproven strikers on the last day of deadline day leaving them no time to get a replacement.

 

The ownership issue is the big battle and I know we are just 5 games into the new season but there is no doubt in my mind, Roy is not a Liverpool manager. He is too soft, too nice and too easily bullied by the likes of whiskeynose. He doesn't have enough passion or fight in my opinion but at least he is articulate and respected and well-liked (it's easy to be popular when your rivals beat you and you just take it and smile, oh well, next time eh Roy, jolly good, splendid blah blah blah).

 

Rafa at least got under the skin of the bullies like Taggart, Allardyce and Mourinho, under Roy on and off the pitch we are just devoid of any kind of passion.......it's time to get nasty, in terms of protests against the owners off the pitch and in terms of our manager and players giving every last drop of blood, sweat and tears to fight back against this dying of the light, not sit there like Roy, smiling patiently at the press, saying "we can take a lot of credit for the way we went about our business".

 

Liverpool used to be about maintaining a dignified silence, only speaking when you had something to say. Roy strikes me as just another spoofer, spinning his spin, deluding the masses. Just like Hicks and Gillette and then Broughton and Purslow, now Roy too is spinning and spoofing to us all, treating us like idiots, saying nice things as our clubs downward spiral continues.

 

The performance today was garbage, admit that and do something about it because the last thing the club needs is another propoganda merchant, another spoofer. Fight back!

 

I'll hazard a guess here and say that you were a huge fan of Benitez.

[Brownie]

Chelsea have an inspiring manager, one who doesn't care much for Ferguson's glasses of wine. A lot of the game is in the mind. If you have a manager who appears to be subserviant to the opposing manager, how would that make you feel as a player? Would it inspire you?

 

I just find it hard to get behind an arse-kisser. You want someone with balls leading your club.

 

It wouldn't bother me one iota. What he said to me on the training pitch to improve me and the teams performance is all i'd be interested in.

 

I just find all of this to be ridiculous. It's actually making me laugh how some people can believe that all of that macho bullshit has an effect.

[TheResonator]

I do know where you're coming from and I apologise for saying that. I still think that you're completely over-stating it though.

 

Ferguson is a cunt and always has been but he's a great manager. I have no problem with Hodgson ignoring it and I believe there are countless examples of managers who look to avoid confrontation but always win.

 

*whispers* Bob Paisley...

 

Fair enough, I take your point too. Where I'd differ is to say that I'd view Paisley as the exception rather than the rule.

[Brownie]

Fair enough, I take your point too. Where I'd differ is to say that I'd view Paisley as the exception rather than the rule.

 

Ancelotti is another example i've given. I can't remember him getting involved in a spat since he's been here. Wenger is always having a spat with someone and he hasn't won a trophy for years, great manager that he is.

 

Can't say i've ever known Capello to get involved with all of that nonsense either but I haven't always followed his foreign career...

[Delmar]

... but always win.

 

*whispers* Bob Paisley...

 

I think the "always win" part is sort of relevant here...

[King Emlyn]

I like The Resonator.

[Brownie]

I think the "always win" part is sort of relevant here...

 

Exactly. His coaching credentials are where the pertinent question marks lie, not his relationship with another manager.

 

I bet the Fulham fans hated his relationship with Ferguson when they fucking walloped them at Craven Cottage.

[Red Nick]

I do know where you're coming from and I apologise for saying that. I still think that you're completely over-stating it though.

 

Ferguson is a cunt and always has been but he's a great manager. I have no problem with Hodgson ignoring it and I believe there are countless examples of managers who look to avoid confrontation but always win.

 

*whispers* Bob Paisley...

 

Alan Hansen will tell you Paisley was the hardest manager that ever lived.

 

Remember Fairclough getting a hatrick in a 5-3 win at Norwich and being dropped for the next game because paisley thought the team would be better without him in the team.

 

Paisley was inspiring as a manager otherwise he wouldnt have one all those trophies.

 

Loved his remarks in 1977 last time I was in Rome was on a tank this time were taking the European cup home

[stringvest]

Ridiculous. Obviously there are shit managers out there like Fat Sam and Phil Brown who are robust and arrogant. What I'm saying is that it's hard to find a top one who will allow themselves to be more-or-less openly mocked without responding.

 

 

 

No need for that really just because we have different perspectives on the situation.

 

Hodgson, in the build-up to the game, was very eager to convey the respect he had for Ferguson as manager of United and that he hoped the feeling was mutual and would not be changed because he was managing Liverpool.

 

Ferguson's response to this widely publicised and perhaps controversial respect was to basically say how terrible we were today; ''it could have been a cricket score''; ''it took a ref and a linesman to get them back in it''; ''Torres tried to get O'Shea sent off etc. etc.''. No respect for Hodgson whatsoever, totally derisive.

 

Respect is mutual and when you show somebody some and they don't show the same, that merits a response, no? Especially within the contexts of a game which is deeply tribalistic and competitive.

 

Pointless continuing this really as I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine, but I hope you can at least understand where I'm coming from.

 

I have to agree with Brownie here. Not all football managers are unsophisticated, nor supporters. Benitez was the exception to the norm over the last 50 years. His modus operandi inevitably meant that he would be stupid enough to play to the neanderthals in the fanbase in stoking the antipathy against Ferguson with a load of ill-timed and bizarre outbursts, which worked so well that Ferguson had to console himself by winning more stuff.

 

Our managers have a history of showing a lot more class in conducting themselves with other managers and with the media.

 

I want Hodgson to provide an example in behaving in a dignified fashion - it would be nice to recapture at least some aspect of the Liverpool Way, at least while winning anything would appear to be beyond us. This does not equate to subservience, except to some agenda-driven whoppers on here.