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VAR: "Headed, for me. Possible foul on defender."

Ref: "No. Not for me, mate."

VAR: "Checking for possible penalty."

Ref: "Yeah. I think the ball is in the middle and he just tries to play the ball and there might be some contact."

VAR: "OK. So that angle's good. Can you just go slowly, I just want to establish if... So, there is clear contact on the ball by Doku. So here's the ball and then there's a coming together.

"Just give me one more that shows Mac Allister coming in. He turns his body."

RO: "What do you want to see, sorry?"

VAR: "Yeah, so he plays the ball. The ball's high, they both come in high. I don't think there's enough evidence there for a penalty kick. You happy with that?"

AVAR: "Let's have a look, mate. Just showing it on broadcast as well. Here we go."

VAR: "He plays the ball."

AVAR: "Are you happy he definitely plays it?"

VAR: "He's definitely touched it. Mac Allister's then coming into his space. Mac Allister turns his back into him, it's a coming together. Ollie [Michael Oliver, the ref] confirm on-field decision of play on. Check is complete, check is complete."

What did Howard Webb say about the incident?

Michael Owen (presenter): "Was this a penalty? I thought it sort of wasn't at the start. I see it again and I'm thinking it is. I'm really 50-50 on it."

Howard Webb: "You're not alone, this has split a lot of opinion. It's one of those, for sure, if it was given on-field it would have been a check complete by the VAR, and equally having not giving it, it is also a check complete.

"You hear Michael Oliver saying the ball is in between and two players going together.

"The ball is too low to head. Doku lifts his foot to play the ball and he does make contact on the ball. Yes, we know there is contact on Mac Allister as well. As Mac Allister comes in, he is not playing the ball either.

"I understand why it has split opinion. I think it would have been check complete either way, not wanting to re-ref the games in situations that are not really clear which is what we think VAR is for.

"In this situation VAR stays out of it and that is what we would expect."

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4 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Not watching so it was or wasn’t a pen I’m deflated either way.

 

Yes, it was. Stupid challenge from a really shit defender who people raved about a couple of years ago because he can run fast. 

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5 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

VAR: "Headed, for me. Possible foul on defender."

Ref: "No. Not for me, mate."

VAR: "Checking for possible penalty."

Ref: "Yeah. I think the ball is in the middle and he just tries to play the ball and there might be some contact."

VAR: "OK. So that angle's good. Can you just go slowly, I just want to establish if... So, there is clear contact on the ball by Doku. So here's the ball and then there's a coming together.

"Just give me one more that shows Mac Allister coming in. He turns his body."

RO: "What do you want to see, sorry?"

VAR: "Yeah, so he plays the ball. The ball's high, they both come in high. I don't think there's enough evidence there for a penalty kick. You happy with that?"

AVAR: "Let's have a look, mate. Just showing it on broadcast as well. Here we go."

VAR: "He plays the ball."

AVAR: "Are you happy he definitely plays it?"

VAR: "He's definitely touched it. Mac Allister's then coming into his space. Mac Allister turns his back into him, it's a coming together. Ollie [Michael Oliver, the ref] confirm on-field decision of play on. Check is complete, check is complete."

What did Howard Webb say about the incident?

Michael Owen (presenter): "Was this a penalty? I thought it sort of wasn't at the start. I see it again and I'm thinking it is. I'm really 50-50 on it."

Howard Webb: "You're not alone, this has split a lot of opinion. It's one of those, for sure, if it was given on-field it would have been a check complete by the VAR, and equally having not giving it, it is also a check complete.

"You hear Michael Oliver saying the ball is in between and two players going together.

"The ball is too low to head. Doku lifts his foot to play the ball and he does make contact on the ball. Yes, we know there is contact on Mac Allister as well. As Mac Allister comes in, he is not playing the ball either.

"I understand why it has split opinion. I think it would have been check complete either way, not wanting to re-ref the games in situations that are not really clear which is what we think VAR is for.

"In this situation VAR stays out of it and that is what we would expect."

 

Apart from it being a shocking decision, the justification has horrible implications. Basically saying whatever way the decision was given would have been correct. So there's no rules to be applied now? It basically justifies refs doing what they want. "Subjective" has become the most overused word in football and is basically a cop out, a tool for corruption.

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15 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Fucking dross in this league. Brighton were better at our gaff last week than at home here.


It’s a big IF but they can keep it to 1 late on you never know 

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12 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

Apart from it being a shocking decision, the justification has horrible implications. Basically saying whatever way the decision was given would have been correct. So there's no rules to be applied now? It basically justifies refs doing what they want. "Subjective" has become the most overused word in football and is basically a cop out, a tool for corruption.

Yeah so today brighton lad gets ball but ref gives and as per the cop out above it stays a pen - had he not given it as per same cop out it won't be given by var.

 

Total bollocks.

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29 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Fucking dross in this league. Brighton were better at our gaff last week than at home here.

I think our style of play, the high risk and reward football we play can often make sides look better than they do against other top sides like Arsenal.

 

Styles make fights!

 

Ultimately though the results are what matter and ours are every bit as good as theirs so far.

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