Coronavirus

[Moo]

1 hour ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

Shows the importance of vaccinating people correctly. 

Indeed.

Their trialling of the 12 week interval for the Pfizer vaccine on the most vulnerable is shocking, maybe even sinister.

[Davelfc]

Between 9 March and 28 December 2020, 7,961 deaths involving #COVID19 in the working age population (20-64 years) were registered in England and Wales 

 

Nearly two-thirds of these deaths were among men (5,128 deaths)

 

When looking at broad groups of occupations, the highest rates of death in men were in:elementary occupations, with 66.3 deaths per 100,000 malescaring, leisure and other service occupations, with 64.1 deaths per 100,000 males.

 

In women, the highest rates of death in broad groups of occupations were in:process, plant and machine operatives, with 33.7 per 100,000 females caring, leisure and other service occupations, with 27.3 deaths per 100,000 females.

 

Men and women who worked in social care occupations had significantly higher rates of death involving #COVID19compared to the rest of the population. Almost 3 in 4 of these deaths were in care workers and home carers.

 

 

Men who worked in healthcare occupations had a significantly higher rate of death involving #COVID19, while the rate among women was similar to the rate in the population:

 

44.9 deaths per 100,000 males

17.3 deaths per 100,000 females

 

 

Nurses and nursing auxiliaries and assistants both had significantly higher rates of death involving #COVID19 when compared to those of the same age and sex in the population

 

 

COVID19 mortality rates in teaching & educational professions were not statistically significantly raised compared to those in the population.

 

Please note: these findings do not prove that the rates of death involving #COVID19 are caused by differences in occupational exposure

 

 

https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1353636701265125377

 

[mattyq]

2 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

What the fuck?

 

 

I'm thinking this is bollocks

It'd better be as my 82 year old ma has just had her first jab with it

[Megadrive Man]

 

[Section_31]

The above is one of the worst things about the coverage of the pandemic, the amount of times people share unsubstantiated or no peer reviewed research. First guy above is an editor at the new statesman who later deleted it. Grossly irresponsible when you consider the disquiet around vaccines already.

[Curly]

4 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I bet Van Tam has just done the biggest sigh of relief.  Someone who doesn’t understand the science, has read it and is happy with it.  
 

Similarly I have read the science behind the Space X test tonight and am happy.   Elon, we are go for launch.  

So what you’re suggesting here, is that people shouldn’t even bother trying to read into something, or understand it, if you deem it beyond their understanding? But then, if they do some research and try to understand something, and therefore land on a decision,  you will mock them unless they’re in agreement with what you think, which from what I can fathom, is pretty much the square root of fuck all also, and based purely on the same level of understanding and research?

 

Or am I missing something and you actually have a higher educational understanding of virology and vaccines?

[Megadrive Man]

The Oxford one concerns me because it seems like the clinical trials weren't conducted very well at all. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't be a good, safe effective vaccine but you want these things to be done in a way that gives you confidence. 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

6 hours ago, Section_31 said:

The above is one of the worst things about the coverage of the pandemic, the amount of times people share unsubstantiated or no peer reviewed research. First guy above is an editor at the new statesman who later deleted it. Grossly irresponsible when you consider the disquiet around vaccines already.

The amount of information from one extreme to another is the scariest thing. No wonder the world is split between ardent Karen’s and people with actual fears for themselves and their loved ones. 
it’s brought out the worst in humanity. 

[Rico1304]

7 hours ago, belarus said:

So what you’re suggesting here, is that people shouldn’t even bother trying to read into something, or understand it, if you deem it beyond their understanding? But then, if they do some research and try to understand something, and therefore land on a decision,  you will mock them unless they’re in agreement with what you think, which from what I can fathom, is pretty much the square root of fuck all also, and based purely on the same level of understanding and research?

 

Or am I missing something and you actually have a higher educational understanding of virology and vaccines?

I’m suggesting nothing.  Regular readers of this thread will know that SB has jumped on virtually every crank outside theory and has backed those despite having absolutely no understanding of the subject at hand. So his ‘reading’ is not understanding, it’s literally looking at the words (if it happened) and is no endorsement or validation.  It’s literally like me reading a rocket science book.  Not a clue.  And when all said and done VT is hardly going to wait for his approval is he?  So no, not what you said at all.  

[Bjornebye]

7 hours ago, belarus said:

 

Or am I missing something and you actually have a higher educational understanding of virology and vaccines?

To be fair mate the one person who claimed to know more than anyone on here because they have a degree in Ecology was the person who got this whole thing most wrong on this thread and by some distance. 

 

The reality is, nobody has a clue how it's going to behave. All we know is that hindsight is a great thing and we should have closed the borders and imposed far stricter rules from the beginning. 

[Rico1304]

Remember Gupta?  Well her and her Barrington Declaration pals have gone anti vax now.  Who backed them again? 

[Curly]

15 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m suggesting nothing.  Regular readers of this thread will know that SB has jumped on virtually every crank outside theory and has backed those despite having absolutely no understanding of the subject at hand. So his ‘reading’ is not understanding, it’s literally looking at the words (if it happened) and is no endorsement or validation.  It’s literally like me reading a rocket science book.  Not a clue.  And when all said and done VT is hardly going to wait for his approval is he?  So no, not what you said at all.  

But you give an opinion on all this which cites and backs scientists who say one thing. He can’t win - in your mind he’s talking shit when he reads into something, and he’s talking shit when he jumps to conclusions. Even a broken clock is right twice a day - it just appears you jump on anything he posts and piss on it now, irrelevant of what he says and how he backs it up.

 

You’ve even mentioned an influenza specialist in a way to mock what SpyBee has suggested. Why are you ok to have the intellect and pedigree of people who understand things you don’t, but he’s mocked for it?

[Rico1304]

7 minutes ago, belarus said:

But you give an opinion on all this which cites and backs scientists who say one thing. He can’t win - in your mind he’s talking shit when he reads into something, and he’s talking shit when he jumps to conclusions. Even a broken clock is right twice a day - it just appears you jump on anything he posts and piss on it now, irrelevant of what he says and how he backs it up.

 

You’ve even mentioned an influenza specialist in a way to mock what SpyBee has suggested. Why are you ok to have the intellect and pedigree of people who understand things you don’t, but he’s mocked for it?

If there are 95 people taking one view, and 5 taking another why is it that SB has consistently taken the view of the 5 over the 95.  It’s happened right through this.  Now, he’s effectively saying “despite all my bad takes over the last year, and backing the three legged horse each time, my expertise is now aligned with the majority on this’ as if his endorsement means something and when his ‘expertise’ has been shown to be bollocks.  

[Curly]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

To be fair mate the one person who claimed to know more than anyone on here because they have a degree in Ecology was the person who got this whole thing most wrong on this thread and by some distance. 

 

The reality is, nobody has a fucking clue how it's going to behave. All we know is that hindsight is a great thing and we should have closed the borders and imposed far stricter rules from the beginning. 

I completely get what you’re saying Stig, and SpyBee has said some things that upset me even, like the scaremongering shit early doors that people who smoked are “fucked” - I’ve got mates and family members who smoke and I’m an ex smoker myself, so this ramped my fear up at the time, and it was really annoying because it was delivered with excitement I felt, in the way that he was ok because he didn’t smoke.

 

That aside, he does research a lot into this stuff, and has landed on what he thinks as an opinion, so jumping on every single thing he says and belittling every bit of it is tiring to even watch. I personally don’t know why he even bothers posting. He’s not even saying anything that mental like the virus, lockdown or mask deniers.

[Bjornebye]

12 minutes ago, belarus said:

I completely get what you’re saying Stig, and SpyBee has said some things that upset me even, like the scaremongering shit early doors that people who smoked are “fucked” - I’ve got mates and family members who smoke and I’m an ex smoker myself, so this ramped my fear up at the time, and it was really annoying because it was delivered with excitement I felt, in the way that he was ok because he didn’t smoke.

 

That aside, he does research a lot into this stuff, and has landed on what he thinks as an opinion, so jumping on every single thing he says and belittling every bit of it is tiring to even watch. I personally don’t know why he even bothers posting. He’s not even saying anything that mental like the virus, lockdown or mask deniers.

I wasn't on about Spy Bee mate. 

 

To be fair he was anti-mask this after he sold someone on this very site a load of masks. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the guy one bit (even when he calls me a cunt for disagreeing with him or cracking a joke). Not many people in this thread have come out smelling of roses which is understandable given the different information being banded round the media/twitter by all and sundry, the pain and suffering its causing and the volatility of the subject. I don't think people have too much of a problem with people having different opinions (providing they aren't putting other people at risk) its how they own those opinions when proven wrong with actual evidence that gets peoples backs-up. 

[Spy Bee]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I wasn't on about Spy Bee mate. 

 

To be fair he was anti-mask this after he sold someone on this very site a load of masks. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the guy one bit (even when he calls me a cunt for disagreeing with him or cracking a joke). Not many people in this thread have come out smelling of roses which is understandable given the different information being banded round the media/twitter by all and sundry, the pain and suffering its causing and the volatility of the subject. I don't think people have too much of a problem with people having different opinions (providing they aren't putting other people at risk) its how they own those opinions when proven wrong with actual evidence that gets peoples backs-up. 

I posted a video of someone using the mask. A poster on here placed an order... I told him I could get it cheaper. I then provided it cheaper. I then gave him a load more of the masks for free. How anybody thinks I have done anything wrong in the circumstance is fucking beyond me.

 

I still don't believe masks used by the general public in non-laboratory conditions make the slightest bit of difference. Whether this is correct or not, won't really be determined for some time. My opinion on the efficacy of masks is really irrelevant. 

[Spy Bee]

13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

(even when he calls me a cunt for disagreeing with him or cracking a joke)

As for this bit, it wasn't a joke. You were snidely trying to undermine my point by bringing up something completely irrelevant. You consistently play the man and not the ball. Just deal with the subject matter in hand, as other posters did, by speculating why this seemingly more contagious strain could be fading out faster than the less contagious strains.

[Davelfc]

Who would have thought that a bunch of people mumbling on a forum about a pandemic would not be able to get things 100% correct all the time and will fail to agree on things. 

 

We have mixed government messages and statistics. We have clickbait doom porn in the online media, most designed to make money from clicks. Youtube and twitter experts in nothing but wanting to be liked and be right all of the time and news outlets that promote their agenda over the hard facts. 

 

Apart from the raving loons (I'm looking at you 5G weirdos and anti vaxers) isn't offering different opinions what sparks decent debate? Seems at times people with a minority viewpoint are stomped on. I am of course not referring to the wankers that apparently take a devil's advocate stance just for attention, although we have very few of them now. Mixed up with all of this we have members on here suffering not only physically but mentally, emotionally. 

 

Maybe what I am trying to get at is that people have different coping mechanisms and just because you might be at a different stage in yours doesn't mean you can jump on those who are not.

 

Denial a stage in the whole coping process you know. It isn't easy for any of us at the moment, home life, work, money, social this thing has fucked everyone over and will do for quite a while yet. 

 

Having a different opinion, even when the majority have a different one isn't a bad thing. It isn't all about being right or wrong. I blame Brexit for making almost every subject now a polarising one. This side is right and that side is wrong. It's just possible that both sides can be right and both sides can be wrong, on certain things. 

 

TLDR; chill out you bunch of fannies. 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

On 22/01/2021 at 15:33, Spy Bee said:

 

 

On 22/01/2021 at 16:12, Bjornebye said:

Amazing how much lockdown can help slow down a virus. 

 

On 22/01/2021 at 16:18, Spy Bee said:

Yeah, because that would make the new hyper contagious variant spread at a lower rate than other variants.

^ I repped this immediately before typing this 

On 22/01/2021 at 16:30, Bjornebye said:

Yeah mate as long as people don't start carting themselves off on holidays abroad we might just be able buy a pint at the bar by 2022. 

 

On 22/01/2021 at 16:31, Spy Bee said:

Cunt.

 

 

But yeah you continue to ignore reality and wank yourself into a hypocritical Karen stupor in your holier than though hypocritical spunk bubble you fucking driveway. 

[Spy Bee]

Funny how reps aren't time stamped isn't it, so I can't prove you wrong.

[DJLJ]

So AstraZeneca has cut delivery of vaccines in Q1 to the EU with 60%. That is a massive hit to be able to have a somewhat normal summer. 

[Megadrive Man]

1 minute ago, DJLJ said:

So AstraZeneca has cut delivery of vaccines in Q1 to the EU with 60%. That is a massive hit to be able to have a somewhat normal summer. 

 

The cynic in me makes me wonder if this is partly where this story about Germany not approving it for over 65s is coming from?

[No2]

I have booked a holiday to Santorini for the end of May, quietly confident I'll be able to go.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, No2 said:

I have booked a holiday to Santorini for the end of May, quietly confident I'll be able to go.

I’m going back to Berlin in July, not confident about that at all.  

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Funny how reps aren't time stamped isn't it, so I can't prove you wrong.

Even if they were you wouldn't be able too. 

 

Thanks.