Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[aRdja]

28 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Has he had a preview?  

Not sure bud. But If you’re looking for impartial analysis on this issue, I’d probably go with Chomsky before the British media (including the BBC). 

[Rico1304]

34 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Not sure bud. But If you’re looking for impartial analysis on this issue, I’d probably go with Chomsky before the British media (including the BBC). 

As I said, it may clear it all up.  I’m assuming NC has had access to all the evidence. Or he’s speculating. 

[Rico1304]

Seems that Labour has written to ex employees reminding them of NDAs...a year after JC saying he’d stop them being used to hide discrimination.  

[aRdja]

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

[lifetime fan]

10 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

 

They may have been able to find out what some people have told the beeb, but the actual programme won’t have its final edit until about 5 o’clock the evening it’s broadcast. 

[Rico1304]

26 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

Col knows. 

 

Letter about NDAs?  Could be nothing of course. Could clear JC and the party.

[aRdja]

Not really sure what you’re referring to here. Give me a summary please.

[sir roger]

Kinnock Jr insisting that Corbyn whips Labour mp's to accept May's trice-rejected deal.

 

Thought it was 1st April.

[Sugar Ape]

53 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

 

Normally reliable my arse. It’s literally some bloke sitting in his bedroom leaking stuff he’s told to say by the Labour readership. Here’s just a small sample of the shite he comes out with:

 

 

In fact, the only ‘alt news’ site on the left worse than it is The Canary which you’ve also quoted. No one has contributed more articles to the Canary website than Steve Topple. Here are a couple of his tweets, you can find plenty more stuff like it if you want to look. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

As I said, it may clear it all up.  I’m assuming NC has had access to all the evidence. Or he’s speculating. 

The Chomsky quote has got nothing to do with Panorama.  The Canary article in the link and the MediaLens article it originally comes from are from September last year.

 

If the Panorama programme actually provides some evidence either that Corbyn is anti-Semitic or that Labour has a widespread anti-Semitism problem, then it will be interesting.  On the other hand, if it reported the known - but often unreported - facts about how anti-Semitism in Labour is incredibly rare (and that Labour is the major party most seriously committed to eradicating it) that would also be interesting.

 

If it just gives yet another platform for dreary shit-shouters like Hodge and Mann to spew their toxins, then it's best avoided.

 

We'll see.

[aRdja]

12 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Normally reliable my arse. It’s literally some bloke sitting in his bedroom leaking stuff he’s told to say by the Labour readership. Here’s just a small sample of the shite he comes out with:

 

 

In fact, the only ‘alt news’ site on the left worse than it is The Canary which you’ve also quoted. No one has contributed more articles to the Canary website than Steve Topple. Here are a couple of his tweets, you can find plenty more stuff like it if you want to look. 

 

 

I find Skwawkbox a lot more balanced than other ‘alt’ sources e.g., MailOnline, Guido Fawkes, with regards to Corbyn IMO... but each to his own obviously.

[aRdja]

14 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The Chomsky quote has got nothing to do with Panorama.  The Canary article in the link and the MediaLens article it originally comes from are from September last year.

 

If the Panorama programme actually provides some evidence either that Corbyn is anti-Semitic or that Labour has a widespread anti-Semitism problem, then it will be interesting.  On the other hand, if it reported the known - but often unreported - facts about how anti-Semitism in Labour is incredibly rare (and that Labour is the major party most seriously committed to eradicating it) that would also be interesting.

 

If it just gives yet another platform for dreary shit-shouters like Hodge and Mann to spew their toxins, then it's best avoided.

 

We'll see.

I hope the BBC learnt a lesson from that time Laura Kuennsberg was found guilty of smearing Corbyn.

[sir roger]

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

[Jairzinho]

8 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Normally reliable my arse. It’s literally some bloke sitting in his bedroom leaking stuff he’s told to say by the Labour readership. Here’s just a small sample of the shite he comes out with:

 

 

In fact, the only ‘alt news’ site on the left worse than it is The Canary which you’ve also quoted. No one has contributed more articles to the Canary website than Steve Topple. Here are a couple of his tweets, you can find plenty more stuff like it if you want to look. 

 

 

Not that I have any skin in the game, as I have no opinion about The Canary, but this seems a slightly unfair way of summarising a media outlet.

 

As he has also written for the Independent does that discredit the entire newspaper? 

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a paper/website that hasn't had an absolute tit writing for them at some point. In fact, I'd imagine every single newspaper currently has an anti-semite writing for them.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

Here’s some stuff he’s done too;

 

According to the BBC, some of Ware's accomplishments while employed by the broadcaster include:^[3]

• 1984, filming two Scotland Yard Flying Squadofficers in the act of setting up an armed robbery and his evidence led to their trial at the Old Bailey.
• 1989, uncovering evidence that led first to the District Auditor and then the High Court to accuse Dame Shirley Porter of "gerrymandering" by attempting to rig the Westminster City Council's elections.
• 1990, discovering an attempt by paratroopers in Belfast to cover up the unlawful shooting of joyriders.^[7] However the murder conviction of the paratrooper, Lee Clegg, for this incident was ultimately quashed on appeal.^[8]
• 1996, reporting on human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia and how the Sharia courts sent an innocent young man to his death by public beheading.
• 1997, discovering papers belonging to the Deputy Prime Minister showing that despite elections promises to the contrary, the new Labour government planned to privatise the London Underground within two months of taking office.
• 1998, unearthing evidence showing that Deborah Parry, one of the two "Saudi Nurses" was innocent of murdering Yvonne Gilford in 1996.
• 1998, securing evidence of secret price fixing deals between car dealers and three leading motor manufacturers, including Volvo which led to the Director General of Fair Trading John Bridgeman to accuse the Swedish car giant of "disgraceful" conduct, while pointing out that under the government's proposed new competition laws, the company could have been fined £70m.
• 2000, reporting that in contravention of New Labour's strict contest rules, the party's General Secretary and her senior officials were responsible for leaking a confidential list of London party members to Downing Street's London Mayoral candidate Frank Dobson giving him an unfair advantage over rival candidate Ken Livingstone.

In 2012, Ware took voluntary redundancy from the BBC, but has continued with some freelance work.^[1]Since leaving the BBC, he has published articles about its top management.^[9][1

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

Sounds like he’d be impartial alright yeah.

[Rico1304]

12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Sounds like he’d be impartial alright yeah.

Yes, mustn’t criticise Cage.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes, mustn’t criticise Cage.  

The remake of The Wicker Man was garbage.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, sir roger said:

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

I'm not sure Rico's absolute faith in the impartiality of Panorama is completely justified.

 

Still, they might run counter to previous form and do some actual honest journalism. We'll see. 

 

 

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'm not sure Rico's absolute faith in the impartiality of Panorama is completely justified.

 

Still, they might run counter to previous form and do some actual honest journalism. We'll see. 

 

 

Posted again for feeling?  

 

Theres a list of his programmes too.  Which ones of those listed were wrong? 

 

You can tell Col they don’t do proper journalism.  

[Rico1304]

 

[aRdja]

Not really sure what’s there for you to be outraged over?

 

“if you have any concerns, please raise it with us and/or external authorities as you see fit, please don’t selectively leak emails to the media, creating a misleading story, which led to a number of junior employees feeling bullied”

 

Is that really worth getting triggered by?

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

41 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Posted again for feeling?  

It's the first time that link has been posted.

 

Theres a list of his programmes too.  Which ones of those listed were wrong? 

The ones cited in the link.  Read it before commenting, otherwise you look a bit silly.

 

You can tell Col they don’t do proper journalism.  

I've no idea what you're talking about.  If your argument is "Panorama have done some really good journalism, therefore everything they ever do can be relied upon to be good journalism" then, again, you'll look a bit silly.  (The Daily Mail led the fight for justice in the Stephen Lawrence campaign; that doesn't mean I'd always trust them as great anti-racist campaigners.)

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Not really sure what’s there for you to be outraged over?

 

“if you have any concerns, please raise it with us and/or external authorities as you see fit, please don’t selectively leak emails to the media, creating a misleading story, which led to a number of junior employees feeling bullied”

 

Is that really worth getting triggered by?

 

If it can be used to fuel faux-outrage to badmouth Corbyn, then of course it's worth it.

 

Tory's gotta Tory.

[Rico1304]

15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

If it can be used to fuel faux-outrage to badmouth Corbyn, then of course it's worth it.

 

Tory's gotta Tory.

I’m sure using Carter Ruck to send the letter meant nothing.