What's your opinion of Brendan Rodgers?

[dennis tooth]

How many managers have brought teams from the championship playing good football and kept them in the prem easily without throwing big money at it.

 

I'll answer your second question before I deal with the above. Sort of answer it with a question anyway.

Which manager took a squad from 2nd to mid table in one season? Rafa, ged and other sacked managers is the correct answer.

 

Now the top question. One thats very apt and will draw a long list of men who have done the above so much so Im going to open it up to fellow forumites to add to the list and see how many we can name.

 

Danny Wilson

George Burley

Harry Redknapp

Steve Coppell

Mick McCarthy

Brian Mcdermott

Alan Curbishley

Sean Dyche

 

 

Please feel free to add to this list

[JermainePennant]

I'll answer your second question before I deal with the above. Sort of answer it with a question anyway.

Which manager took a squad from 2nd to mid table in one season? Rafa, ged and other sacked managers is the correct answer.

 

Now the top question. One thats very apt and will draw a long list of men who have done the above so much so Im going to open it up to fellow forumites to add to the list and see how many we can name.

 

Danny Wilson

George Burley

Harry Redknapp

Steve Coppell

Mick McCarthy

Brian Mcdermott

Alan Curbishley

Sean Dyche

 

 

Please feel free to add to this list

 

Redknapp had good money behind him at pompey and qpr no taking away from his achievements though.The rest did not play the kind of football rodgers had swansea playing neither did they survive comfortably, I take it your taking the piss anyway if you think mick mccarthys football is good.

[dennis tooth]

Your last sentence seems to suggest that you're more interested in re-hashing old arguments.

 

I can't really be arsed getting involved in old news or even reading it so i'll just pop you on ignore mate.

Sad really. The point I made is one way or another hes sanctioned a complete waste of money on mario we will never get back and could take us years to recover.

 

But you can always just ignore those things was your response essentially thats the level of your debate you dribbling baby.

[dennis tooth]

Redknapp had good money behind him at pompey and qpr no taking away from his achievements though.The rest did not play the kind of football rodgers had swansea playing neither did they survive comfortably, I take it your taking the piss anyway if you think mick mccarthys football is good.

Curbishleys boys.

 

Thats a very short list which I could double.

Your question is relevant since it got him the job. It is in fact a regular occurence in the prem it happens every year.

[JermainePennant]

Sad really. The point I made is one way or another hes sanctioned a complete waste of money on mario we will never get back and could take us years to recover.

 

But you can always just ignore those things was your response essentially thats the level of your debate you dribbling baby.

 

Rodgers accepted to work under the guidelines he is now when he took the job, he is not going to come out and criticise that now especially when he is under the big pressure,that would be like handing in his resignation.

 

Everyone was comfortable with getting balotelli in the summer as if he failed it wasnt masssive money, we will get atleast half back if we sell him and it will not take years to recover.

[JermainePennant]

Curbishleys boys.

 

Thats a very short list which I could double.

Your question is relevant since it got him the job. It is in fact a regular occurence in the prem it happens every year.

 

Didnt charlton get relegated their first season and wasnt curblishley a defensive manager?

 

His acheivement was excellent though and he should be managing a good team in the prem.

[RoboRiise]

Its not different to saying "Im my biggest critic." Just another quote you know who wants to drag up to make yet another worthless point.

 

"Under their skin"

 

Seen this on all your posts recently.

 

Firstly thanks for the chuckle since you're typing it out each time instead of adding it to your signature.

 

Secondly, whose skin?  'Their' implies a group, or at least a clearly identifiable cohort, so who are 'they'?

 

Just seems a little strange to me.  Assuming it's some imaginary anti-manager cabal you've dreamed up, at what point is the threshold found where someone is no longer merely posting what they feel to be valid analysis, commentary and/or criticism and is instead just being anti-Rodgers for no discernible reason?

[Denny Crane]

We had £100 million pound to spend, Im fucking sick to death of people excusing our lack of planning and levels of ignorance like this.

 

Astonished at the excuses people will make for a manager. It really is laughable and tedious the inept line Brownie is putting forward. He might as well say all the bad stuff is nothing to do with Rodgers.

[dennis tooth]

Rodgers accepted to work under the guidelines he is now when he took the job, he is not going to come out and criticise that now especially when he is under the big pressure,that would be like handing in his resignation.

 

Everyone was comfortable with g

etting balotelli in the summer as if he failed it wasnt masssive money, we will get atleast half back if we sell him and it will not take years to recover.

That last paragraph is insane.

No one will buy him on his wage and even we knew it was last chance saloon everyone even the club understood that. Hes toxic.

 

Well not addressing the issues if players are forced on him is going to hand in a resignation or sack himself but not only that will make his potential future employment in danger. At least coming out (lest we forget he already did this via a journo on twitter so dont pretend its less noble to put his name to it) he can distance himself from some transfers and maybe save his young career.

If someone cant do their job due to some problem its not something to be ignored and left to fester for years.

[Brownie]

Seen this on all your posts recently.

 

Firstly thanks for the chuckle since you're typing it out each time instead of adding it to your signature.

 

Secondly, whose skin?  'Their' implies a group, or at least a clearly identifiable cohort, so who are 'they'?

 

Just seems a little strange to me.  Assuming it's some imagnary anti-manager cabal you've dreamed up, at what point is the threshold found where someone is no longer merely posting what they feel to be valid analysis, commentary and/or criticism and is instead just being anti-Rodgers for no discernible reason?

Now you know how I feel circa 2007-2010.

[Brownie]

Of course it is relevant, Rodgers spent the money where he saw it as a priority. If Rodgers never bought say Lovren he would of had an extra 20million in the kitty to buy a striker. 

We offered £40M ish for Sanchez didn't we?

 

I'd say that made him the priority using your own logic.

[Original202]

Now the top question. One thats very apt and will draw a long list of men who have done the above so much so Im going to open it up to fellow forumites to add to the list and see how many we can name.

 

Danny Wilson

Brian Mcdermott

Alan Curbishley

 

 

Please feel free to add to this list

 

 

Wilson's Barnsley were relegated and were battered almost every week (Except when they won at Anfield).

 

McDermott's Reading were relegated and he was sacked in March.

 

Curbishley's Charlton were relegated in their first season.

[Brownie]

Astonished at the excuses people will make for a manager. It really is laughable and tedious the inept line Brownie is putting forward. He might as well say all the bad stuff is nothing to do with Rodgers.

What line am I putting foward?

 

Please enlighten me.

[dennis tooth]

I'll answer your second question before I deal with the above. Sort of answer it with a question anyway.

Which manager took a squad from 2nd to mid table in one season? Rafa, ged and other sacked managers is the correct answer.

 

Now the top question. One thats very apt and will draw a long list of men who have done the above so much so Im going to open it up to fellow forumites to add to the list and see how many we can name.

 

Danny Wilson

George Burley

Harry Redknapp

Steve Coppell

Mick McCarthy

Brian Mcdermott

Alan Curbishley

Sean Dyche

 

 

Please feel free to add to this list

Alan Pardew

Keegan

Several non descript norwich managers

Alex mcleish

Bryan Robson

Steve Bruce

[Dr. J]

The Rodgers apologists are getting quite skillful at a certain kind of argumentation:

 

 

 Mr. Haynes explained how to plead in the alternative:

Say you sue me because you say my dog bit you. Well, now this is my defense:

• My dog doesn't bite.
• And second, in the alternative, my dog was tied up that night.
• And third, I don't believe you really got bit.
• And fourth, I don't have a dog.

 

Perfected in the Rodgers vs. committee approach, it has now become the dominant form. 

[dennis tooth]

Wilson's Barnsley were relegated and were battered almost every week (Except when they won at Anfield).

 

McDermott's Reading were relegated and he was sacked in March.

 

Curbishley's Charlton were relegated in their first season.

Curbs came back up and did it so he done it. Its not like rodgers failed to get promo a few times with a few clubs.

[dennis tooth]

Peter taylor

[Brownie]

The Rodgers apologists.

 

Oh dear.

[RoboRiise]

Now you know how I feel circa 2007-2010.

 

Haha, I can't imagine I'm in whatever group he seems to feel exists but yeah, fair point Ian.

 

I'm just curious about his thinking, I mean here we are at Christmas looking for a win tonight to see us bag 28 points from the first half of the season - I'm not saying everybody should be running around like the sky is falling in but equally I find it impossible to believe that anyone who has watched us this season can't have at least some concerns, even if they're more at the 'if things stay like this we may have a problem' end of the scale than at the 'sack him tomorrow' end.

 

Having a go at reds for being concerned about poor performances, poor form and poor signings and talking about getting 'under people's skin' just seems to be turning it into an unnecessarily adversarial discussion to me.

 

The Rodgers apologists.

 

Oh dear.

 

Yeah, same applies there too.  Why does it always have to get so personal, it's Rafa all over again.  People can't just say they have a concern about something without either having to hate the guy or love him - it's like a bunch of hormonal girls arguing about which of One Direction is the fittest.  Funny shit.

[dennis tooth]

People who use a forum but cant handle other peoples questions or points of view so have to censor themselves from seeing stuff.

Oh dear

 

Im off to watch porn but with all the naughty bits blacked out.

 

Ima half in kinda guy.

[Denny Crane]

What line am I putting foward?

 

Please enlighten me.

 

Your line is you have implied Rodgers was forced into buying Balotelli. I state that is utter rubbish as he spent around 100 millions prior to buying Balotelli.

 

If he was forced into buying Balotelli it was because he spent 50million at Southampton. He only has himself to blame for his in-balance in the squad.

[dennis tooth]

Your line is you have implied Rodgers was forced into buying Balotelli. I state that is utter rubbish as he spent around 100 millions prior to buying Balotelli.

Youre headed for ignore for 'rehashing old arguments'.

[Guest davelfc]

People who use a forum but cant handle other peoples questions or points of view so have to censor themselves from seeing stuff.

Oh dear

Im off to watch porn but with all the naughty bits blacked out.

Ima half in kinda guy.

You do realise they censor porn don't you?

 

Either way it's generally to block out knobs and cunts.

[Denny Crane]

We offered £40M ish for Sanchez didn't we?

 

I'd say that made him the priority using your own logic.

 

We bought the players from Southampton we did not buy Sanchez, that is pretty clear.

 

I have only talked about players we bought.

[Brownie]

Haha, I can't imagine I'm in whatever group he seems to feel exists but yeah, fair point Ian.

 

I'm just curious about his thinking, I mean here we are at Christmas looking for a win tonight to see us bag 28 points from the first half of the season - I'm not saying everybody should be running around like the sky is falling in but equally I find it impossible to believe that anyone who has watched us this season can't have at least some concerns, even if they're more at the 'if things stay like this we may have a problem' end of the scale than at the 'sack him tomorrow' end.

 

Having a go at reds for being concerned about poor performances, poor form and poor signings and talking about getting 'under people's skin' just seems to be turning it into an unnecessarily adversarial discussion to me.

 

You're not wrong mate.

 

I'd be absolutely amazed if there was anyone who didn't have concerns about what were seeing. This season has been crap and nowhere near the level we should expect.

 

There are certain things that I think need to be understood more, just for my own sanity, things such as this fucking transfer committee or whatever it is. If it's simply a fact that Brendan Rodgers has complete control and the committee is just a token gesture then he has no leg to stand on with regards to recruitment, because yet again our failings are down to poor purchases.

 

I'm not entirely sure that he has that sort of power though. I don't know for certain either way but I have enough grounds to question it. I think it's an important thing to discuss and it actually has nothing to do with the merits of Rodgers, it's about the club going forwards.

 

I get the feeling that our transfer dealings are screwed no matter who is in charge and that worries me.