Lib Dems

[Anubis]

 

 

Putin will see you, and raise you...

 

 

[Anny Road]

That is exactly my point. There is only one think certain aspects of the world respect and that is force. Not niceness, biscuits or friendliness.

The world is run by fucking gangsters and unless you can fuck them up if they fuck with you. You may as well lie down and take it up the arse.

 

Here is the Greens sub

[Anny Road]

Just to clarify. I don't like it any more than anyone else. I wish we had Greens in power in every country in the world and we were threatening to withdraw crossword seating privileges with North Korea unless they improve. The standard of their Lemon Bakewell they bring to meetings it is just not on.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Right.  We still have Trident (despite the Lib Dems pre-election promise to get rid).  That'll be why Putin is behaving himself, then.  Thank fuck.

[Anny Road]

Angry O T?

Why do you think we have remained independent for as many years as we have. Is it because we are nice or is it because we carry a big sword. Not saying it is right but it's how the world works.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The UK's military "independence" depends on being part of a US-dominated alliance.  The UK's economic "independence" depends on membership of the EU and other trading agreements.

 

When you talk about remaining independent, are you seriously suggesting that we might have gone the way of Crimea if we weren't the world's sixth biggest military spender?  How do you account for the independence of, say, Finland or Ireland, whose military spending is a tiny fraction of the UK's?

 

As for "how the world works", since the end of World War II, the only foreign military interventions in Europe have been Soviet actions in the Warsaw Pact countries (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968) Turkey's invasion of Cyprus (1974) and various territorial disputes between former members of the Soviet Union.  This is how the world works - European countries just don't invade each other any more, because there's nothing to be gained by it.

[VladimirIlyich]

If the UK laid down its arms nobody would give a fuck.

We've already been invaded economically and they didnt even have to threaten us because it was just either sold for a pittance or given away.

While righfully nobody in this country wanted to be ruled by Germany in the early 40s(still had their offspring in a big Palace at our expense mind you) I'd have no problem being ruled by them now instead of the cunts we've got.

[stringvest]

me neither.  Bigger beer glasses an' all

[Dr Nowt]

I negged that by accident, apologies. I'd ask someone to even it up but can't see it happening.

No worries mate, I negged it for you to resolve.

[SammyAftershave]

Lib Dems are shit. And that is about as much discussion as it deserves. The whichever way is the wind blowing today cunts!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Lib Dems are shit. And that is about as much discussion as it deserves. The whichever way is the wind blowing today cunts!

[Gnasher]

Bye bye Clegg, nice knowing you, now fuck off to dfs and sell somebody a nice new sofa.

[Strontium]

Lib Dems are shit. And that is about as much discussion as it deserves. The whichever way is the wind blowing today cunts!

 

Congratulations, you're a cretin.

[PestiRed]

6%. Surely Clegg has got to go now

[Paul]

You reap what you sow when you get into bed with right wing, upper class cunts.

[Paul]

Lib Dems are shit. And that is about as much discussion as it deserves. The whichever way is the wind blowing today cunts!

Agreed. Politically irrelevant now. In the minds of the electorate (rather than in their own minds) they stand for nothing except political expediency and a desperate grab for power. Most people just think of them as the wankers who installed an old Etonian cabal in the driver's seat of this country or the wankers who made Nigel Farage seem like a credible politician.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Most people just think of them as the wankers who installed an old Etonian cabal in the driver's seat of this country or the wankers who made Nigel Farage seem like a credible politician.

Whether they like it or not, whether it's true or not, this is something LDs are going to have to accept. That's exactly how a lot of people see them. They can beat their chests and imply everybody is stupid as much as they like, it won't change anything; they certainly won't win any votes back with that tactic. Talking about how mature they are and how they're doing the best for the country isn't going to convince people. When all is said and done, it's the electorate they need to convince, but at the moment they're too busy trying to convince themselves rather than win back votes.

[Bobby Hundreds]

They made the hard decisions for the good of us all.

[Paul]

They made the hard decisions for the good of us all.

And they'll keep on chanting that ridiculous mantra even as their political corpse is lying rotting in the ground.

[razor]

For me, the Lib Dems made a big mistake when they made an alliance with the Tories and betrayed their core support; now that core support has had its say.

 

Or to put it another way:

 

You reap what you sow when you get into bed with right wing, upper class cunts.

 

Succinctly put, Paul.  Is right.

[RedRazor]

The UK's military "independence" depends on being part of a US-dominated alliance.  The UK's economic "independence" depends on membership of the EU and other trading agreements.

 

When you talk about remaining independent, are you seriously suggesting that we might have gone the way of Crimea if we weren't the world's sixth biggest military spender?  How do you account for the independence of, say, Finland or Ireland, whose military spending is a tiny fraction of the UK's?

 

As for "how the world works", since the end of World War II, the only foreign military interventions in Europe have been Soviet actions in the Warsaw Pact countries (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968) Turkey's invasion of Cyprus (1974) and various territorial disputes between former members of the Soviet Union.  This is how the world works - European countries just don't invade each other any more, because there's nothing to be gained by it.

Nato in Bosnia 1992?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

NATO is not a foreign power and they (rightly or wrongly) intervened in a civil war.

[PestiRed]

The Balkans would kick off again at a moment's notice if they thought that there would not be outside intervention.

 

I reckon Orban would retake a fair bit of the former Triannon territories if he had the resources and no consequences to face. He'd get a popular mandate to do it as well

[RedRazor]

Fair point but it was a bit more than a civil war. Three newly formed states Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia all throwing bullets at each other while engaged in an attempt to acquire strategically significant pieces of each other.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Fair point but it was a bit more than a civil war. Three newly formed states Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia all throwing bullets at each other while engaged in an attempt to acquire strategically significant pieces of each other.

When England, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall get into that situation and NATO come dropping bombs, then I will concede that Anny Road may have had a point.