Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Dougie Do'ins]

BBC News - Labour to back early general election

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50221856

[Guest Pistonbroke]

A lot of leave voters still despise the Tories. A GE is far harder to predict than most of the Polls suggest. Over the last decade Polls are becoming less reliable as to what direction the electorate will take. 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Fucking hell. Let’s hope the ol’ boy has something up his sleeve because this Tory party, with this Tory PM would be a fucking disaster with a majority. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I think we will see a Tory majority.  As far as brexiters are concerned Boris is Mr brexit stifled by an undemocratic parliament. I dread to think of Boris as PM for 5 years.

[skend04]

Hung parliament at best. We'll have wasted another 7 weeks of an extension. Absolute madness.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, skend04 said:

Hung parliament at best. We'll have wasted another 7 weeks of an extension. Absolute madness.

There’s not much to be done as there’s no majority, so nothing could get done anyway - the extension would always achieve nothing towards a brexit resolution. What were the other non-madness options? 

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

There’s not much to be done as there’s no majority, so nothing could get done anyway - the extension would always achieve nothing towards a brexit resolution. What were the other non-madness options? 

Resurrecting Guy Fawkes.

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Resurrecting Guy Fawkes.

He could do a job.

[Trumo]

16 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

A lot of leave voters still despise the Tories. A GE is far harder to predict than most of the Polls suggest. Over the last decade Polls are becoming less reliable as to what direction the electorate will take. 

 

 

True. Nowadays it is determined but whatever bullshit can get all the headlines and go mainstream.

[Jairzinho]

I assumed the extensions really just were to kick it far enough in to the long grass that the public want for a second referendum grows and a sufficient amount of old cunts die.

 

No-one was actually going to negotiate a decent deal. It isn't possible.

[Dr Nowt]

17 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I think we will see a Tory majority.  As far as brexiters are concerned Boris is Mr brexit stifled by an undemocratic parliament. I dread to think of Boris as PM for 5 years.

I personally think we’ll see the Tories at least win the most seats, if not a majority.

 

I do think there’s been a useful significance to Johnson’s deal though, in terms of the going into this election being Mr Brexit stuff. With No Deal as one of their possible positions, they were neutralising The Brexit Party as they could remain vague and keep hammering the line that anyone wanting a delay wanted to stop Brexit. 

 

Now they’ll be campaigning for his deal, and Farage and co will be relentlessly pointing out an extension was better because this deal is Brexit in name only. No question that will split votes they would have had sewn up if all this had played out the same other than Johnson coming back with this deal.

 

Whether it’s enough of those votes, who knows.

[Trumo]

18 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Fucking hell. Let’s hope the ol’ boy has something up his sleeve because this Tory party, with this Tory PM would be a fucking disaster with a majority. 

 

When does he ever have anything up his sleeve? If he was a drama, there'd be no plot twists.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Resurrecting Guy Fawkes.

Where is he when you need him 

[aRdja]

Just now, Trumo said:

 

When does he ever have anything up his sleeve? If he was a drama, there'd be no plot twists.

Agreed. With Corbyn what you see is what you get for better or worse. 

[Dr Nowt]

And I know it’s not popular to see nuance in Tory voters, but there are those from the last election they will have lost this time in how they’ve gone about this. I’ve spoken to a few lately. 
 

It’s all up for grabs.

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Resurrecting Guy Fawkes.

Asked and answered. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

11 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

When does he ever have anything up his sleeve? If he was a drama, there'd be no plot twists.

Would there be a plot? 
 

I would, of course, much rather see him as PM than Johnson or any other Tory. The talk of his terrorist supporting, Jew hating tendencies seem utterly ridiculous. None of that bollocks impacts the way I think. I just don’t think he’s very good at all. I have doubt that he can win an election, even against what to me seems just about the most hideous opponent leading the most  hideous government that has probably ever existed in the UK. If he doesn’t, I hope his supporters will finally admit that the experiment isn’t going to lead to anything other than a Tory government and Tory policies and will turn towards pragmatism rather than doubling down. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

26 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

True. Nowadays it is determined but whatever bullshit can get all the headlines and go mainstream.

The BBC are one of the worst culprits for peddling the shit. 

 

What I foresee as the main problem with a Tory Gov't with Johnson at the helm is the Transition period should he force his deal through. That will prove every bit as difficult as agreeing on a deal, even more so. I can't see anything being sorted in the 12 months set aside for this, you'll probably find that the option to extend for a further 12 months will most definitely be needed, and who knows how long in total that would take. Meanwhile in the background you'll have the Tories pushing all sorts of shit through. 

[SasaS]

57 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I assumed the extensions really just were to kick it far enough in to the long grass that the public want for a second referendum grows and a sufficient amount of old cunts die.

 

No-one was actually going to negotiate a decent deal. It isn't possible.

You are aware that the ranks of old cunts are constantly being replenished?

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, Jenson said:

So about 1989 then?

No, 1974-1977. 

[Jenson]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

No, 1974-1977. 

I was being a bit facetious, but your maths is terrible mate.

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Would there be a plot? 
 

I would, of course, much rather see him as PM than Johnson or any other Tory. The talk of his terrorist supporting, Jew hating tendencies seem utterly ridiculous. None of that bollocks impacts the way I think. I just don’t think he’s very good at all. I have doubt that he can win an election, even against what to me seems just about the most hideous opponent leading the most  hideous government that has probably ever existed in the UK. If he doesn’t, I hope his supporters will finally admit that the experiment isn’t going to lead to anything other than a Tory government and Tory policies and will turn towards pragmatism rather than doubling down. 

Interested in what suggests to you that ' He isn't very good  ? ' , as I think in the circumstances he has far exceeded my expectations of him once ( as you cover ) the outright lies are disregarded.

 

I'm not saying he is perfect but with the hand he has been dealt I can't believe he hasn't given up by now yet his determination still shines through.

 

As for the election, it strikes me as being the most hard to analyse in recent memory with so many different facets to factor in. Labour's main positive to me is they have by far the best policies and four or five weeks press purdah to push them down the voting public's throats without the likes of the BBC being able to lie about them or misrepresent them. I have also been buoyed by how thick & useless Johnson appears with real people and under any sustained questioning.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It's time to fan both flames, Comrades!

[Jairzinho]

 

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

You are aware that the ranks of old cunts are constantly being replenished?

I'm hoping for temperatures of about -20 this winter.

[Bjornebye]

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