Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

What did Corbyn write about that? @Strontium Dog

 

Considering it was written in 1902, what did Corbyn write that is worthy of criticism? 

 

Genuine question. I’m flying blind. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

That's not a searchable PDF, unfortunately, so it took me a while to find the portion in question. Page 64, in the chapter "Economic Parasites of Imperialism", this passage:

 

 

 

 

 

Is that it? Is that the most compelling evidence you could muster?

 

Do you see why I'm not prepared to take your word when it comes to your increasingly desperate attempts to portray Corbyn as anti-Semitic?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

What did Corbyn write about that? @Strontium Dog

 

Considering it was written in 1902, what did Corbyn write that is worthy of criticism? 

 

Genuine question. I’m flying blind. 

Stronts will be along in a minute to quote the part of the foreword that says "My best bit is where he blames the Jews. I bloody hate the Jews, me."

 

At least, I  assume that's what it says. That's the gist I'm getting from the Express, Telegraph and S*n headlines. I'm sure their commitment to the unvarnished truth is every bit as pure as the Dog's.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Corbyn has never knowingly helped to hide the hideous deeds of a nonce. That'll do for me. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Corbyn may have said some questionable things about Jewish people and associated with people who've said similar things, but he's never voted in a way that suggests that he's antisemitic. That's how it works, isn't it? Otherwise known as the Farron Actually Loves The Gays defence. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Corbyn may have said some questionable things about Jewish people

Even that, though.

 

Even his worst detractors can't find a single quote.  Ever.

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

What did Corbyn write about that? @Strontium Dog

 

Considering it was written in 1902, what did Corbyn write that is worthy of criticism? 

 

Genuine question. I’m flying blind. 

 

He wrote a foreword for a 2011 edition of the book. He described the book as "correct and prescient", "brilliant" and "a great tome".

 

Unfortunately he didn't see fit to condemn or even mention the antisemitic conspiracy theories contained within the book, despite acknowledging the book as "very controversial at the time".

 

You can think what you want, but anyone seeing a pattern in Jeremy's persistent failure to see naked antisemitism, whether it be claims that Jewish money controls the policy of every state in Europe, or Jewish caricatures in murals, or any of the other glorious misunderstandings that seem to afflict the man, should not be accused of spreading smears. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

So, a couple of sentences on page 64 of an old, classic book reflect the anti-Semitism of their time and Corbyn focused on the book itself, rather than those couple of sentences, therefore he's an anti-Semite.

 

On another occasion, he dashed off a hastily-written and badly mis-spelled Facebook comment about a mural that he (quite plausibly) says he hadn't seen properly.

 

Or the other "glorious misunderstandings"...

 

He once used the word "friends" to address a room full of people, some of whom were connected with organisations that are said to have anti-Semitic statements in their founding documents.

 

He once used the word "Zionists" to make a joke at the expense of a group of Zionists.

 

He attended a Jewish festival with some Jewish friends - but they were the wrong type of Jew.

 

He attended a wreath-laying at a cemetery in which were also buried some people who were accused by their murderers (with no evidence) of being complicit in a terrorist attack.

 

He hosted a Holocaust Memorial Day event at which a Holocaust survivor criticised Israel.

 

He has consistently condemned anti-Semitism and praised those who fight all forms of racism and praised the role of the Jewish community in the Labour Party.

 

 

Yeah, when you add it up, he's clearly a Nazi.  The bastard.

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Anybody found any instances of Corbyn covering up for a paedo yet? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

It’s such a stretch. 

[Red Phoenix]

Seeing as we're dragging up old quotes how about some Churchill from 1920?

 

In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.

 

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

 

Churchill's cool though apparently so it's fine.

[Scooby Dudek]

What I find astounding is the fact that these selfless, independent investigative journalists uncover this information the day before an election. 

 

The fact it has been going on for years and they are trying to nail Corbyn you would think they had found everything the could have found already, but no they just keep finding more and more, at really inconvenient times for Corbyn/Labour. 

 

It is either a truly amazing coincidence that it keeps happening or the cunts have an agenda.

[Jairzinho]

9 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

What I find astounding is the fact that these selfless, independent investigative journalists uncover this information the day before an election. 

 

The fact it has been going on for years and they are trying to nail Corbyn you would think they had found everything the could have found already, but no they just keep finding more and more, at really inconvenient times for Corbyn/Labour. 

 

It is either a truly amazing coincidence that it keeps happening or the cunts have an agenda.

The general public don't give a fuck. Most of them either didn't care in the first place, are bored rigid by it all now, or can see it for the pitiful smear campaign it is. 

 

Genuinely baffling they're still running with it. Surely it's time to move on to something else. Just to freshen it up, like.

 

[sir roger]

Must be slight when the BBC , Guardian & Independent can't even be bothered with it.

[Scooby Dudek]

27 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

The general public don't give a fuck. Most of them either didn't care in the first place, are bored rigid by it all now, or can see it for the pitiful smear campaign it is. 

 

Genuinely baffling they're still running with it. Surely it's time to move on to something else. Just to freshen it up, like.

 

I hope you are right. 

[Jairzinho]

Ahead in all the polls. And he did much better in the run up to an election, even when the smears were increased.

 

If you live in Barnsley, and you work 17 hours a day for a tenner, and you've seen every single public service decimated, you probably don't give that much of a fuck about what the Guardian says about Corbyn's view of something written in 1902. It's a complete and utter irrelevance.

[Numero Veinticinco]

30 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

The general public don't give a fuck. Most of them either didn't care in the first place, are bored rigid by it all now, or can see it for the pitiful smear campaign it is. 

 

Genuinely baffling they're still running with it. Surely it's time to move on to something else. Just to freshen it up, like.

 

Yeah, I agree. I think there’s a couple of reasons for it. The first is the fatigue you mention. It’s like, ‘oh Corbyn is being criticised for being an anti-Semite again. What is it this time, a long lost cousin when to a school play where somebody bumped into a guy wearing a yarmulke’. Every major revelation is just either a load of constructed bullshit or something twisted out of all proportion.

 

Second reason is that people don’t see Jews as a weak, oppressed minority who are being downtrodden. Those pushing this agenda are acting if this allotment tending, peace promoting lefty is a nefarious, evil hate monger who will attempt to wipe out the poor, defenceless Jews. it’s disingenuous bullshit and people are seeing right through it. 

 

This entire thing has been awful for Jews. It is making antisemitism worse, and those pushing it as a weapon for political purposes should feel absolutely ashamed of themselves. It is brewing up a resentment that will be suffered by ordinary people who have no interest in any of this bullshit and who are certainly not guilty of anything. 

 

I don’t even think he should be anywhere near the Labour leadership. I don’t even like the guy to be honest, he annoys the fuck out of me most of the time. The Labour Party fuck me off something rotten, too. But this attempt to make them look like a gang of Jew haters, despite investigations saying otherwise, continues to look absolutely ridiculous. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

Second reason is that people don’t see Jews as a weak, oppressed minority who are being downtrodden. Those pushing this agenda are acting if this allotment tending, peace promoting lefty is a nefarious, evil hate monger who will attempt to wipe out the poor, defenceless Jews. it’s disingenuous bullshit and people are seeing right through it. 

 

This entire thing has been awful for Jews. It is making antisemitism worse, and those pushing it as a weapon for political purposes should feel absolutely ashamed of themselves. It is brewing up a resentment that will be suffered by ordinary people who have no interest in any of this bullshit and who are certainly not guilty of anything. 

 

Absofuckinglutely. 

[aRdja]

 

[Scooby Dudek]

Funny how this is not all over Sky News;

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48107957

 

 

MPs have reported the Home Office to the equalities watchdog over the Windrush scandal, accusing it of unlawful discrimination.

The group of 87 says the Home Office discriminated as a "direct result" of so-called hostile environment policies.

The letter to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission claims the government broke, and is breaking, equalities law.

The Home Office said it was "committed to righting the wrongs experienced by the Windrush generation".

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

 

"Deeply concerned"

 

Fucking hell. Just fuck off, Stephen, you disingenuous little cunt.

[Stickman]

Seems like there were quite a few fans of this book....

 

 

 

 

[Pureblood]

3 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

The general public don't give a fuck. Most of them either didn't care in the first place, are bored rigid by it all now, or can see it for the pitiful smear campaign it is. 

 

Genuinely baffling they're still running with it. Surely it's time to move on to something else. Just to freshen it up, like.

 

I think you give the general public too much credit.  

[Numero Veinticinco]

I think Lib Dem member, and former councillor and LibDem blog of the year winner, Jonathan Calder makes some good points. 

 

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It would be possible to restate Hobson's theories about the origin of imperialism without mentioning anybody's race, but there is certainly a strand in British political radicalism whose opposition to high finance is too aware that those financiers are Jewish.

So Corbyn should have drawn attention to the antisemitism of Hobson's work and condemned it.

In his, defence, however, neither the Wikipedia page on Hobson, nor the article about him from the Liberal Democrat History Group nor the entry on him in the Dictionary of Liberal Thought make any mention of his antisemitism either.

 

I'm looking forward to going back and looking at Stront's scathing critic of these people that he definitely would have made, unless of course Rico got there first. If anybody could link me to that, that'd save me searching. 

[Strontium]

I'll happily condemn every liberal who wrote a foreword to that book without mentioning the antisemitism it contains.