Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, skend04 said:

So GDP is smaller by 9%, food prices rocket, businesses face £13bn in red tape and Dover is fucked.

 

If people would still vote for this then the stupid is strong in these bigots.

This whole thing is eerily reminiscent of the lurch towards the First World War: everybody knows it will be a disaster, but the people who have the power to stop it are not going to be the ones worst affected and they are too stupid and stubborn to do the right thing.

[Scooby Dudek]

Some calling for a ban on the export of medicines from the UK if we leave without a deal. Great stuff.

 

Basically we have been stock piling but if we leave and the pound crashes the brokers will probably sell the medicines to Europe to make a massive profit. Disaster capitalism in action, makes you proud.   

[pauliescouse]

Dear god...

 

 

 

[pauliescouse]

And now Costa has been sacked as parliamentary private secretary..
 

 

[Barrington Womble]

8 hours ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Some calling for a ban on the export of medicines from the UK if we leave without a deal. Great stuff.

 

Basically we have been stock piling but if we leave and the pound crashes the brokers will probably sell the medicines to Europe to make a massive profit. Disaster capitalism in action, makes you proud.   

here's the thing though, stockpiling will probably also creates some type of post code lottery in the NHS. I have some issues at the moment and I am in and out of hospital a couple of times a week. certain supplies (i don't want to say what, because i don't want to discuss why i am there) are just out of stock and the hospital i go into can't get them "and nobody knows why, there's never been an issue before". well stockpiling would seem pretty likely. so there's proably trusts up and down the country who have loads and mine has fuck all. now they have alternatives... but less good ones. this particular thing is not massive and life threatening, but it is significant to me. and we don't have no deal brexit yet. i do realise it might not be stockpiling, but it seems a reasonable assumption. 

[aRdja]

12 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

here's the thing though, stockpiling will probably also creates some type of post code lottery in the NHS. I have some issues at the moment and I am in and out of hospital a couple of times a week. certain supplies (i don't want to say what, because i don't want to discuss why i am there) are just out of stock and the hospital i go into can't get them "and nobody knows why, there's never been an issue before". well stockpiling would seem pretty likely. so there's proably trusts up and down the country who have loads and mine has fuck all. now they have alternatives... but less good ones. this particular thing is not massive and life threatening, but it is significant to me. and we don't have no deal brexit yet. i do realise it might not be stockpiling, but it seems a reasonable assumption. 

Hope you’re okay mate. 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

On 2/28/2019 at 6:04 AM, Barry Wom said:

here's the thing though, stockpiling will probably also creates some type of post code lottery in the NHS. I have some issues at the moment and I am in and out of hospital a couple of times a week. certain supplies (i don't want to say what, because i don't want to discuss why i am there) are just out of stock and the hospital i go into can't get them "and nobody knows why, there's never been an issue before". well stockpiling would seem pretty likely. so there's proably trusts up and down the country who have loads and mine has fuck all. now they have alternatives... but less good ones. this particular thing is not massive and life threatening, but it is significant to me. and we don't have no deal brexit yet. i do realise it might not be stockpiling, but it seems a reasonable assumption. 

Hope everything comes good Wom.

the jeopardy they are putting peoples lives in is criminal, people with chronic illnesses such as diabetes and kidney disease, who have difficult lives now have the added stress from an incompetent government who assured everything would be sorted in advance of leaving.

id gladly hang the likes of Johnson, Davies et al who are entirely culpable and were seeking power and glory, rather than serving the fucking plebs who voted for them.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

How the fuck hasn't Chris Grayling been sacked yet?

[Scooby Dudek]

13 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

How the fuck hasn't Chris Grayling been sacked yet?

Meritocracy 

[M_B]

Some interesting lines in the US UK negotiating objectives given the current climate. (They are also in the US EU objectives so the UK isn't unique).

 

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Summary_of_U.S.-UK_Negotiating_Objectives.pdf

 

 

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• Discourage actions that directly or indirectly prejudice or otherwise discourage commercial activity solely between the United States and Israel;
• Discourage politically motivated actions to boycott, divest from, and sanction Israel;
• Seek the elimination of politically motivated nontariff barriers on Israeli goods, services,or other commerce imposed on Israel; and
• Seek the elimination of state-sponsored unsanctioned foreign boycotts of Israel,or compliance with the Arab League Boycott of Israel.

 

[Anubis]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

How the fuck hasn't Chris Grayling been sacked yet?

It's one of life's great mysteries. I'm almost beginning to admire the way he has managed to secure additional ministerial posts despite being utter dogshit in every one he has held.

[magicrat]

Just now, Anubis said:

It's one of life's great mysteries. I'm almost beginning to admire the way he has managed to secure additional ministerial posts despite being utter dogshit in every one he has held.

Downing St have said they have complete confidence in him which is like saying the BBC had complete confidence in Jimmy Savile.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

10 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

How the fuck hasn't Chris Grayling been sacked yet?

https://newsthump.com/2019/03/01/huge-fire-engulfs-department-of-transport-after-chris-grayling-tries-to-use-stapler/?fbclid=IwAR1occBIMNfRSPdKRLCe8TZSnIFMvH1KSZx99-jPFRlQUM4byfY3EKEH5Rg

[magicrat]

9 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

How the fuck hasn't Chris Grayling been sacked yet?

He's finally been upgraded

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[Section_31]

Apparently she said simples during the debate due to a bet so her aide could get tea at the Ritz. We're fucked.

[Rico1304]

Rumours that Farage is about to be arrested for money laundering. Pray to god they do it on a European arrest warrant. 

[magicrat]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Rumours that Farage is about to be arrested for money laundering. Pray to god they do it on a European arrest warrant. 

I heard that too. Trump will pardon him

[Pureblood]

I fucking hate those meerkats. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TK421 said:

I fucking hate those meerkats. 

I can suspend disbelief as far as them talking, wearing clothes and glasses, going to the pictures, living in houses, etc.  But there's no way a South African rodent would have an accent like that.

 

I'd gas every last one of the fuckers.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Gnasher hasn't been on here celebrating the rise of Europe's anti-EU right for a while, so here's a little reminder of what they're like.

 

 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/03/16bn-for-left-behind-towns-as-may-woos-labour-mps-to-back-brexit-deal

 

Less than these towns get from the EU and it'll be spread over 7 years. Whatever way the Tories bum people the voters still keep going back for more.

[magicrat]

3 hours ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/03/16bn-for-left-behind-towns-as-may-woos-labour-mps-to-back-brexit-deal

 

Less than these towns get from the EU and it'll be spread over 7 years. Whatever way the Tories bum people the voters still keep going back for more.

Blue passports don't forget.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 hours ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/03/16bn-for-left-behind-towns-as-may-woos-labour-mps-to-back-brexit-deal

 

Less than these towns get from the EU and it'll be spread over 7 years. Whatever way the Tories bum people the voters still keep going back for more.

I miss Gnasher.

 

I see stories like this and it makes me think that the Tories are still in power, more racist than before, and laughing all the way to the bank, while the rest of us have to face up to the fact that 51.9% of the 2016 electorate punched themselves and us in the goolies for nothing; I need Gnasher to convince me it's all worthwhile.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Flashback to Referendum Eve - 22nd June 2016.  The Telegraph published 20 reasons why we should all vote Leave.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/20-reasons-you-should-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/?fbclid=IwAR1YonZ2kWQa-NY4ABenlbCz3qR9wPXvP6R_SKMSVhxKFXCNoFffRr2EvBw

 

1) We’d get our money back  

Some of your taxes go the European Union. Some, but not all, of that money comes back to Britain in subsidies to farmers, grants to universities and so on. How much? In 2015, our gross contribution was almost £18 billion, but a budget “rebate” won my Margaret Thatcher in 1984 reduced that to £13 billion, around £200 per person in Britain. The Treasury says around £6 billion comes back to the UK in subsidies and grants, meaning our net EU payments are worth a little over £100 per head. In cash terms, Britain is the second biggest contributor to the EU budget after Germany.

2) We could decide who comes into our country

EU members must allow all EU citizens to enter their country and work without restrictions. The “right of free movement” has allowed hundreds of thousands of Europeans to live and work in Britain. In the 12 months ending in September 2015, an estimated 257,000 EU nationals arrived in the UK. The Office for National Statistics estimates that there are more than 2 million EU nationals working in the UK.

3) We could make our own laws again

Some British laws are passed and implemented because of decisions made at an EU level.   Business For Britain, a pro-Leave group, reckons 65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels.  The House of Commons Library says that between 1993 and 2014, a total of 231 Acts of Parliament were passed because of EU membership, 24 per cent of the total. In 2010, the UK government estimated that about 50 per cent of UK legislation with “significant economic impact” originates from EU legislation.

4) Our courts would have the final say over those laws

When Britain joined the EEC in 1972, Parliament accepted that European law could have primacy over UK law. That law is ultimately overseen by the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. The court’s power has grown steadily, and the Lisbon Treaty gave it power over 135 areas of criminal justice policy; Britain has opted out of all but 35 of those measures, but participates in the European Arrest Warrant scheme, which gives the court the right to order EU nationals (including Britons) be extradited to face trial elsewhere in the EU.

5) We wouldn’t have to accept decisions forced on us by other countries

Many EU decisions are taken under “qualified majority voting” rules, where countries’ voting weights depend on their size. That means countries can be outvoted, forced to accept decisions with which they disagree. Britain is outvoted more often than any other country. Between 2009 and 2015, Britain was on the losing side of 12 per cent of QMV decisions. By contrast, France was on the losing side of less than 1 per cent of votes. The areas where Britain was most often outvoted included the EU budget and EU foreign and security policy.

6 )We wouldn’t have to listen to lots of European presidents

The EU is not a country but it has no fewer than five presidents. Donald Tusk is president of the European Council, the group comprised of EU heads of state and government. Jean Claude Juncker is president of the European Commission. Martin Schulz is president of the European Parliament. Mario Draghi is president of the European Central Bank. Jeroen Dijsselbloem is president of the Eurogroup of countries using the single currency. They wrote a report last year calling for much greater integration of the euro countries, another step on the road to a superstate.

7) We wouldn’t have to listen to, or fund, the European Commission

The European Commission is more than the EU's civil service. It also has the right to propose new laws and regulations. It employs around 23,000 officials. In 2011, a think-tank estimated that more than 10,000 Commission staff were paid more than £70,000.

8) We could have proper vacuum cleaners

Under an EU regulation that took effect in 2014, vacuum cleaners with the most powerful motors (1,600 watts and above) are banned. The European Commission says the ban will save energy and encourage more efficient devices. Which?, a consumer group, says it prohibits some of the best machines currently being made. Sir James Dyson, the British industrialist, says the efficiency rules were skewed to favour German vacuums over his products.

9) We wouldn’t have to worry about Turkey

The EU wants to grow even bigger. There are five official candidate countries: Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania. To get in, each has to adopt all EU rules and political standards, then “accession” has to be approved by the leaders and parliaments of every EU member. The Commission says there's no prospect of any new members before 2020; many European politicians believe Turkey will never qualify, though both sides say they are committed to its entry.

10) We could set our own tax rates

 The EU wants to “harmonise” the rate of VAT and the goods to which it applies. VAT must be at least 15 per cent but can be cut to 5 per cent on certain specified items. EU-wide consent is needed for any changes, which is why George Osborne needs European permission to reduce VAT on tampons and sanitary towels.

11) We could support British companies in trouble

EU single market rules discourage governments from giving financial support to private companies, to make sure “national champions” do not have a commercial advantage over rivals. Those rules meant that ministers couldn’t directly bail out Tata Steel’s UK plants.

12) Fish!

 The EU’s common fisheries policy attempts to manage and share EU fish stocks by giving each nations’ fishermen quotas for what they can catch. Critics say that forces up prices for consumers, forces fishermen to dump millions of dead fish back in the sea, and decimates national fishing fleets.

13) We could get rid of windfarms

 Wondering where all those wind turbines come from? Brussels, of course. EU members have agreed to increase the share of their electricity generated from “renewable” sources. By 2020, Britain is supposed to get 15 per cent of its power this way and could in theory face legal action if that target is missed.  

14) We could have blue passports again

  Your passport is red because Britain is in the EU, and EU members have standardised their passports, and agreed that “European Union” is the first thing written on the cover. The red passport replaced the old blue document in 1988.

15) And our own entry lanes at airports

 Remember when you came back from holiday and there was an entry lane marked UK PASSPORT HOLDERS? It’s not there any more because EU rules oblige members to treat all EU nationals in the same way, so Britons have to queue up with their fellow Europeans when they want to come back into their own country.

16) We wouldn't have to fund EU foreign aid

The EU has its own foreign aid programme to give away your money. In 2013, it spent almost €15 billion (£11.8 billion) on foreign aid, almost exactly as much as the UK Government.

17) It would be easier to get rid of fridges 

The EU has a say in how you dispose of white goods through Directive 2012/19/EU. Before the Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment (WEEE) Directive came in, you could dispose of your fridge in your local landfill to be destroyed by a giant metal crusher. But now fridges are deemed hazardrous, so have to be disposed of safely in special closed units ("approved authorised treatment facilities"). This has spawned a new industry disposing of Britain's old fridges, and irritated a lot of householders.

18) No more stupid recycling bins

Local councils’ drive to get you to recycle more of your rubbish is partly driven by the EU. The European Commission wants much less rubbish to go to landfill, and its Landfill Directive sets tough targets for councils. As a result, the UK Government imposes heavy fines on councils for landfill use, adding to council tax bills and encouraging the proliferation of different household bins

19)  British MEPs would be sacked

Every month, the European Parliament – hundreds of MEPs, their staff, translators and other officials, 10,000 people in all – moves from Brussels to Strasbourg, where it sits for just four days. This “travelling circus” is widely regarded as being hugely wasteful: the Conservative Party has estimated the cost at £130 million a year.

20) Finally, we could have proper lightbulbs again

 In possibly the most infamous EU instruction in recent years, traditional incandescent lightbulbs are restricted in favour of low-energy alternatives, which many people feel do not offer the same level of illumination.