Can We Just Stop and Think About This for a Moment?

[Jurgen Knows]

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/29/victims-of-sexual-violence-let-down-by-uk-asylum-system-report-says
 

Tidy your own home first.

 

Double standards. Cultural bigotry.

[Fugitive]

Yeah, you are a rape apologist.

 

Your opinions mean fuck all, lad.

 

Good bye

[Jurgen Knows]

Just now, Fugitive said:

Yeah, you are a rape apologist.

 

Your opinions mean fuck all, lad.

 

Good bye

I could say the same about you. It is happening in your own backyard and you pretend not to see it.

 

Again: Double standards. Cultural bigotry.

Let’s wait for the Arab World to have their world cup so we can get on our high horse and lecture them about all that is WRONG in their countries … guess what Sherlock … it is not heaven over here, but your country is not heaven either. If you had waged the same campaign against Russia 4 years ago I would have actually joined your campaign against Qatar. But no … you only remember human rights when it comes to the Arabs.

 

Double standards. Cultural bigotry. You have failed to address that.

 

[s(k)aturation]

 

Cultural buggery.

 

 

[Reckoner]

Women - ‘Please help, I’ve been raped!’

Qatari police-

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

 

"Well, miss, if you didn't provoke that gentleman by having a vagina..."

[Jurgen Knows]

You can google every last issue in Qatar and post it here. It doesn’t change the fact that you’ve failed to address the key points of the thread:

 

Double standards. Cultural bigotry.

 

It also doesn’t change the fact that your country is not cleaner. Mire women are raped and more gays are abused in your country than in Qatar.

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

 

I'm sure plenty of thought has been given to addressing the key points of the thread.

 

Now, it's probably time to just take the piss.

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

6 hours ago, Reckoner said:

Women - ‘Please help, I’ve been raped!’

Qatari police-

 

 

Child - please help, my family has been killed, my house has been destroyed

 

 

Western human rights lecturers - dreaming of the great tournament that will be USA 2026 

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

2 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

I'm sure plenty of thought has been given to addressing the key points of the thread.

 

Now, it's probably time to just take the piss.

 

 

Not really. You still haven’t addressed double standards and cultural bigotry.

[s(k)aturation]

2 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Not really. You still haven’t addressed double standards and cultural bigotry.

 

 

No, I'd rather take the piss thanks.

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

14 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

 

No, I'd rather take the piss thanks.

 

 

I know. I don’t expect better from you. I’m just calling it out for what it is. Double standards. Cultural bigotry.

[JohnnyH]

[M_B]

4 hours ago, Jurgen Knows said:

It also doesn’t change the fact that your country is not cleaner. Mire women are reported raped and more gays are reported abused in your country than in Qatar.

 

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

36 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

Reaction to human rights issues in Russia 2018 and USA 2026 is not a different issue. Call it what you want. I call it double standards and cultural bigotry.

[Jurgen Knows]

30 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

Come here and count for yourself.

[M_B]

2 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Come here and count for yourself.

 

How would I do that? Knock on a door that the police suspect is home to a gay man and asked him if he has been abused? Do the police keep lists?

 

 

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

6 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

How would I do that? Knock on a door that the police suspect is home to a gay man and asked him if he has been abused? Do the police keep lists?

 

 

 

 

Ask the women if they would feel safer here or  in the UK. Ask migrant workers if they would feel safer and more welcome here or in the UK.

 

You wouldn’t bother. And once the World Cup is over none of the bastions of human rights would bother. Human rights only matter when it suits certain agendas.

[M_B]

4 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Ask the women if they would feel safer here or  in the UK.

 

You wouldn’t bother. And once the World Cup is over none of the bastions of human rights would bother. Human rights only matter when it suits certain agendas.

 

How would they be able to answer? Have they lived in the UK? By that logic, I could ask women here if they would feel safer here or in Qatar. I'm willing to bet they would choose here. Why don't you come over here and ask them?

 

 

And you can ask gay people while you're at it. Which country do you think they are going to choose?

[Jurgen Knows]

1 minute ago, M_B said:

 

How would they be able to answer? Have they lived in the UK? By that logic, I could ask women here if they would feel safer here or in Qatar. I'm willing ot bet they would choose here. Why don't you come over here and ask them?

I don’t need to come to your country and ask them. I’m not the one lecturing others about human rights. I know that each country has its fair share of human rights issues. This is why I don’t choose specific world cups in specific countries to lecture about human rights. 

[M_B]

Just now, Jurgen Knows said:

I don’t need to come to your country and ask them. I’m not the one lecturing others about human rights. I know that each country has its fair share of human rights issues. This is why I don’t choose specific world cups in specific countries to lecture about human rights. 

 

Right oh.

 

The focus is on Qatar cause the World Cup is there. Nobody would give a fuck otherwise. You need to accept that the spotlight is on your country for the moment. Once the Cup ends, Qatar will be forgotten about and you can go back to locking up the LGBT community.

[Jurgen Knows]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

Right oh.

 

The focus is on Qatar cause the World Cup is there. Nobody would give a fuck otherwise. You need to accept that the spotlight is on your country for the moment. Once the Cup ends, Qatar will be forgotten about and you can go back to locking up the LGBT community.

What about when Russia was under the spotlight in 2018? I don’t remember the same vicious campaign for human rights?

 

What about USA 2026? 

Are these questions not relevant? You can call it whataboutery to avoid answering. I call it double standards and cultural bigotry.

[Jurgen Knows]

And thank you for admitting that nobody would give a fuck had the world cup not been here.

 

I’m sure nobody would. Human rights only matter when it can be used for certain agendas.

[M_B]

1 minute ago, Jurgen Knows said:

What about when Russia was under the spotlight in 2018? I don’t remember the same vicious campaign for human rights?

 

What about USA 2026? 

Are these questions not relevant? You can call it whataboutery to avoid answering. I call it double standards and cultural bigotry.

 

You have a point. There was certainly talk about LGBT rights when Russia was hosting the Cup, but you are right in that it wasn't as high profile across the media.

 

Does that mean they should not speak out about LGBT rights now? If not, when should they? Are you saying that because it is sport, nothing should ever be mentioned about the hosting country?

 

It remains to be seen what happens with the US. I'm sure some reporters will mention human rights in America, but lets face it, the US isn't locking up its LGBT community for their sexual preference.

[M_B]

4 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

And thank you for admitting that nobody would give a fuck had the world cup not been here.

 

I’m sure nobody would. Human rights only matter when it can be used for certain agendas.

 

Which is exactly why the World Cup is as an opportunity to highlight Human Rights abuses. It focuses the worlds attention on the country.