Bad shit going down in Brussels

[Dougie Do'ins]

Nobody suggested they would.

It's as fucking ludicrous as your reasoning for his death. Just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of thing.

[dennis tooth]

King Abdullah of Jordan accused Turkey of exporting terrorists to Europe at a top level meeting with senior US politicians in January, the MEE can reveal.

 

The king said Europe’s biggest refugee crisis was not an accident, and neither was the presence of terrorists among them: “The fact that terrorists are going to Europe is part of Turkish policy and Turkey keeps on getting a slap on the hand, but they are let off the hook.”

 

Asked by one of the congressmen present whether the Islamic State group was exporting oil to Turkey, Abdullah replied: ”Absolutely.”

 

Abdullah made his remarks during a wide-ranging debriefing to Congress on 11 January, the day a meeting with the US president, Barack Obama, was cancelled.

 

The White House was forced to deny that Obama snubbed one of America’s closest allies in the Middle East, attributing the cancellation to "scheduling conflicts", although Obama and Abdullah met briefly at St Andrews Airforce base a day later.

 

Present at the meeting in Congress were the chairmen and members of the Senate Intelligence, Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees, including Senators John McCain and Bob Corker, and Senators Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid, the Senate Majority and Minority leaders respectively.

 

According to a detailed account of the meeting seen by MEE, the king went on to explain what he thought was the motivation of Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

 

Abdullah said that Erdogan believed in a “radical Islamic solution to the region".

 

He repeated: "Turkey sought a religious solution to Syria, while we are looking at moderate elements in the south and Jordan pushed for a third option that would not allow a religious option.”

 

The king presented Turkey as part of a strategic challenge to the world.

 

"We keep being forced to tackle tactical problems against ISIL but not the strategic issue. We forget the issue [of] the Turks who are not with us on this strategically."

 

He claimed that Turkey had not only supported religious groups in Syria, and letting foreign fighters in, but had also been helping Islamist militias in Libya and Somalia.

 

Abdullah claimed that "radicalisation was being manufactured in Turkey" and asked the US senators why the Turks were training the Somali army.

 

The king invited the US politicians present to ask the presidents of Kosovo and Albania about the Turks.

 

Abdullah said that both countries were begging Europe to include them, before Erdogan did.

 

Abdullah was supported in his remarks by his Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh, who said that the Albanian president was a Catholic married to a Muslim, and that that was a model which should be protected in a Muslim majority country.

 

Judeh said that when the Russian bombing campaign prevented Turkey from establishing safe zones in northern Syria to stop refugees from coming to Turkey, "Turkey unleashed the refugees onto Europe”.

 

Both Judeh and Abdullah bridled at the $3bn deal offered by Europe to Turkey, noting that Turkey had only 2m Syrian refugees out of a population of 70m, whereas Jordan was facing “a bigger problem proportionally".

 

Jordan and Turkey are officially allies. The Turkish prime minister, Ahmed Davutoglu, cancelled an official visit to Jordan after the latest bomb attack in Turkey which killed 34 people in Ankara.

 

The Kurdish Freedom Falcons (TAK), an offshoot of the PKK, claimed responsibility for the bombing.

 

Abdullah’s remarks will complicate attempts to reschedule this visit, particularly as Abdullah told senators that Turkey was using the Kurds as an "excuse" for its policies in Syria.

 

Galip Dalay, research director at Al Sharq Forum and senior associate fellow on Turkey and Kurdish Affairs at Al Jazeera Center for Studies, said it was wrong to portray Turkey as having a strategic goal of establishing an Islamist government in Syria.

 

He said: "Turkey did its best in the first eight months of the Syrian crisis to find a political solution to the crisis, which would have included Bashar Assad. Back then, Turkey was criticised in the region and the West for being too soft on Assad regime and being too optimistic about the possibility of reform. When it became clear, after eight months of arduous attempts, that Assad had no intention of initiating a political and democratic process to meet the demands of the protestors, Turkey threw its weight behind the opposition. "

 

Dalay said that the claim Turkey was buying oil from the Islamic State group was a Russian fabrication concocted by Moscow after Turkey shot down the Russian fighter. "Turkey is not the only one saying there is no evidence to support this claim. The United States said it too."

 

The Turkish government would not comment officially on Abdullah’s reported remarks on 11 January. But a senior Turkish source accused the king of becoming "the spokesman for Bashar al-Assad".

 

He said the portrait emerging from these remarks was not one of a king speaking but of a "Western journalist with a fuzzy state of mind and little familiarity with the region".

 

He said: “Turkey is definitely carrying out an intense struggle against Daesh (the Islamic State group). Bombings take place in Turkey not in Jordan. When this is the case, groundless accusations by King Abdullah are totally unacceptable.

 

"Moreover, his tackling of the Daesh issue with such unfounded information also raises the question about whether Jordan could play a meaningful role in the fight against Daesh.”

 

He said the king’s claims that IS was selling oil to Turkey were not only absurd but showed that Abdullah did not have the slightest idea about what was going on in Syria.

 

"The king's statements and accusations against Turkey are not the first. Unfortunately, all of his allegations are the same as the slanders frequently expressed by the Assad regime.

 

"It would be to Jordan's and the region's interest, if Jordan, as a friend of Turkey, were to work for a strategic cooperation with a strategic power like Turkey, instead of acting like the spokesperson of Assad.”

- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jordans-king-accuses-turkey-sending-terrorists-europe-1687591648#.dpuf

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It's as fucking ludicrous as your reasoning for his death. Just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of thing.

What are you even on about? The reason for his death was that he was brutally murdered by religious lunatics.

 

But, there is an element of bad luck to it too. As I've seen many people touch on.

 

Stop being so precious.

[moof]

Turkey are also providing food and supplies, money and are helping distribute Isis propaganda. Shall we ban all the Turks from entering the uk and kick out all of the Turks that are already here?

[Naz17]

People still confusing "muslims" with "islam" I see. Shame.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Turkey are also providing food and supplies, money and are helping distribute Isis propaganda. Shall we ban all the Turks from entering the uk and kick out all of the Turks that are already here?

Having watched that ITV documentary on Saudi Arabia, a country which actively exports at great financial cost an Islamic ideology which promotes the killing of infidels and non-Muslims etc, the UK really needs to reassess our relationship with Saudi Arabia.

 

However, our willingness to do so is being diminished by the financial advantages of cosying up to them - oil and arms deals.

[moof]

People still confusing "muslims" with "islam" I see. Shame.

Islam is a religion. Muslims are people that follow it. Where's the confusion?

[Hades]

Really. Your more scared of what someone on the internet has written more than a terrorist with the ability to do the likes of what;s just happened in Belgium. I find that very odd.

It's more that his version of fascism is an insidious, populist virus whereas terrorism is the act of a few brainwashed loons.

[moof]

Having watched that ITV documentary on Saudi Arabia, a country which actively exports at great financial cost an Islamic ideology which promotes the killing of infidels and non-Muslims etc, the UK really needs to reassess our relationship with Saudi Arabia.

 

However, our willingness to do so is being diminished by the financial advantages of cosying up to them - oil and arms deals.

There are a number of our top allies carrying out human rights violations and funding terror. The U.K. and US (and the larger capitalist/corporatist world); their dogma is defined by economics. We're providing Isis with the means to be the enemy, because in order to keep the status quo, the general population need to be distracted. The sooner people realise that the sooner we can take on the real enemy.

[Naz17]

Islam is a religion. Muslims are people that follow it. Where's the confusion?

For argument's sake taking it to the extreme, if someone was to say "we need to eradicate Islam" how would you interpret that with respect to the implication for Muslims?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

You could not make this up. As I wrote that pile of unfunny shit above a leaflet got posted. A pizza and kebab shop called UK with a Union Jack on it.

 

No doubt all their ingredients are produced in the UK, even those exotic spices, claimed to be cultivated in a greenhouse on the banks of the river Thames. 

[moof]

For argument's sake taking it to the extreme, if someone was to say "we need to eradicate Islam" how would you interpret that with respect to the implication for Muslims?

Err... It would be bad for them. What the fuck point are you trying to make?

[dennis tooth]

Another pilger pearler

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/23/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence/

[Dougie Do'ins]

It's more that his version of fascism is an insidious, populist virus whereas terrorism is the act of a few brainwashed loons.

Yeah, if you say so.

[Naz17]

Err... It would be bad for them. What the fuck point are you trying to make?

That you don't understand the difference between attacking Islam and attacking Muslims.

[moof]

That you don't understand the difference between attacking Islam and attacking Muslims.

Why don't you ask Muslims how they would feel about someone trying to eradicate Islam?

[Naz17]

Why don't you ask Muslims how they would feel about someone trying to eradicate Islam?

Ok then

[Rico1304]

Love how Rico thinks the opinion of some Muslims means more than anybody else's.

 

We've already got plenty of cunts who oppress women and gays in the western world, as well as blacks, Muslims and any other creed or culture you could think of, it's not a trait specific to Islam and it's something I would see wiped out altogether. Stop judging people on their beliefs and start judging them on their actions, stop being divisive and start making people feel welcome and integrated. Hate cannot drive out hate, it just escalates matters.

What the fuck are you on about? I posted about the opinion of an expert, a professor with direct and real experience who was asked by the Canadian government for his views but you just write him off? Clown.

[Em City]

Turkey are also providing food and supplies, money and are helping distribute Isis propaganda. Shall we ban all the Turks from entering the uk and kick out all of the Turks that are already here?

 

Phillip Hammond say they are a valuable ally.

[dennis tooth]

What the fuck are you on about? I posted about the opinion of an expert, a professor with direct and real experience who was asked by the Canadian government for his views but you just write him off? Clown.

Your almost as mad as the wacko you cite.

He claims global warming is faked and Isreal deserves to be admired.

Mansur wrote that a Palestinian state was de facto created by Britain in Jordan by partitioning its Palestine Mandate in 1922, and the Palestinians would have had a state of their own, had they accepted Israel and reconciled themselves to the rights of the Jews in Jerusalem and the Holy Land.[13]

He is on washington and london based 'think tanks' and any scrutiny of him shows he is biased to the extreme in calls for canada to have a pro isreali government.

Another wacky fact about him despite claiming to be muslim (but doesnt go the mosque) and being from india and all, actually campaigns to stop muslims from being allowed into canada. All while calling critics of isreal wait for it, hypocrits. As apparently we are all holding isreal up to a standard no other country has to meet. Stop giggling in the background.

[moof]

Your almost as mad as the wacko you cite.

He claims global warming is faked and Isreal deserves to be admired.

Mansur wrote that a Palestinian state was de facto created by Britain in Jordan by partitioning its Palestine Mandate in 1922, and the Palestinians would have had a state of their own, had they accepted Israel and reconciled themselves to the rights of the Jews in Jerusalem and the Holy Land.[13]

He is on washington and london based 'think tanks' and any scrutiny of him shows he is biased to the extreme in calls for canada to have a pro isreali government.

Another wacky fact about him despite claiming to be muslim (but doesnt go the mosque) and being from india and all, actually campaigns to stop muslims from being allowed into canada. All while calling critics of isreal wait for it, hypocrits. As apparently we are all holding isreal up to a standard no other country has to meet. Stop giggling in the background.

Sounds like Rico's type of guy

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

In other news, ISIS second in command has been killed by a US strike.

 

This is how the fight against ISIS should proceed. Intelligence led, targeted strikes. Not by a blanket campaign against Muslims and immigrants/refugees, the majority who've done fuck all wrong.

 

Two big hits on their hierarchy recently.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/25/islamic-state-second-in-command-killed-us-raid-syria

[skend04]

In other news, ISIS second in command has been killed by a US strike.

 

This is how the fight against ISIS should proceed. Intelligence led, targeted strikes. Not by a blanket campaign against Muslims and immigrants/refugees, the majority who've done fuck all wrong.

 

Two big hits on their hierarchy recently.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/25/islamic-state-second-in-command-killed-us-raid-syria

I've got al-baghdadi in my Dead Pool list. These fuckers need to up their game and get him.

[dennis tooth]

Sounds like Rico's type of guy

I mean as a muslim talk about muslim issues but the 2nd you start praising isreal so profusely you just lost your target audience. Unless your audience is white ignorant middle class aspiring tosser like rico in which case you might get a well paid totally unscientific post as a well paid troll of muslims telling racists what they want to hear and claiming your position gives you some authority.

Clearly rico thinks cause hes advised the canadian government he must be dead clever given that a previous canadian pm says the usa is covering up aliens and has captured ufos Im not sure.

Its like someone claiming to be an lfc supporter who doesnt go the anfield telling lfc supporters their apparent failings and how ace man united are and its critics are hypocrits. Talk about alienating the people you claim to be targetting.

[moof]

I mean as a muslim talk about muslim issues but the 2nd you start praising isreal so profusely you just lost your target audience. Unless your audience is white ignorant middle class aspiring tosser like rico in which case you might get a well paid totally unscientific post as a well paid troll of muslims telling racists what they want to hear and claiming your position gives you some authority.

Clearly rico thinks cause hes advised the canadian government he must be dead clever given that a previous canadian pm says the usa is covering up aliens and has captured ufos Im not sure.

Its like someone claiming to be an lfc supporter who doesnt go the anfield telling lfc supporters their apparent failings and how ace man united are and its critics are hypocrits. Talk about alienating the people you claim to be targetting.

Haha. Couldn't agree more.