Dirk Kuyt

[Badix]

Kuyt played well when he came on, fair enough. But i wont let it blind me from the fact he's been putting in horrendous performances for months.

[ScottyT]

Milner?

 

Lennon?

[SpeedyG]

Valencia? Nasri? Giggs? Tevez? Gutierrez? to name but a few...

 

None of them have anywhere near the goals / assists that Kuyt does. Tevez may to be fair but @ 30M a pop you would hope so.

[SpeedyG]

Milner?

 

Lennon?

 

hahahahaha Lennon has less goals in his entire career than Kuyt has this year.

[Woo]

hahahahaha Lennon has less goals in his entire career than Kuyt has this year.

 

That's because Lennon is a young winger, and Dirk was, well is a striker who is nearing 30.

[SpeedyG]

Kuyt played well when he came on, fair enough. But i wont let it blind me from the fact he's been putting in horrendous performances for months.

 

That cannot be denied but somehow he still manages to get goals and assists and win important games for us. It's almost a Jekyll and Hyde thing.

[SpeedyG]

That's because Lennon is a young winger, and Dirk was, well is a striker who is nearing 30.

 

He could be blue for all the difference it makes, he don't score and rarely assists. Kuyt has the beating of him in both cases.

[ScottyT]

Both those players would be more 'effective' in our team.

[Woo]

Or rather than playing every game on the right where he has mostly struggled, when he is rested, and plays upfront he does well.

[SpeedyG]

Both those players would be more 'effective' in our team.

 

Why do you think so? I think they'll have the same kind of problems that Keane had. They are used to playing against teams that will give them space. We rarely get given space.

[SpeedyG]

Anyways I think shifting Kuyt is going to take bringing in a 20m+ player.

[SpeedyG]

Or rather than playing every game on the right where he has mostly struggled, when he is rested, and plays upfront he does well.

 

That too.

[ScottyT]

Why do you think so? I think they'll have the same kind of problems that Keane had. They are used to playing against teams that will give them space. We rarely get given space.

 

Quicker and better technically. Milner works just as hard too.

 

Lennon's crossing is abysmal, mind, but then so is Kuyt's.

[Badix]

That cannot be denied but somehow he still manages to get goals and assists and win important games for us. It's almost a Jekyll and Hyde thing.

 

Not for me it isn't.

 

The goals he score and assist cannot make up for the fact he is one of the worst players in our squad to watch.

[ScottyT]

Fair fucks to the big Dutch galoot, he was boss last night.

[Woo]

Seriously, if Dirk was rested more, and was played upfront, we would get a lot more out of him. What he brings to the side is wasted on the right hand side, where you need someone with skill, creativity and pace. The same could be said for a striker, but Dirks attributes are suited more to someone upfront than out wide.

 

If he was rotated, and got games as a striker, I doubt people would be as hostile towards him. It isn't Dirk's fault, and it's hard not to like him, as he works his arse off, but he just isn't what we need out wide, and I much prefer to see Yossi there than Dirk.

[Kevin D]

Its the pattern on the pants.

[OmarVizquel]

I can't shake the feeling that Dirk is somehow clutch (Man City, CL goals, Portsmouth, etc). But then I remember all those 0-0 draws.....

 

He's a limited player. Brilliant at times, but we shouldn't overrate him if there's a possibility of getting someone better.

 

But who cares. That was a hell of a finish yesterday.

[SpeedyG]

Not for me it isn't.

 

The goals he score and assist cannot make up for the fact he is one of the worst players in our squad to watch.

 

That's why I used the word effective.

[Badix]

Seriously, if Dirk was rested more, and was played upfront, we would get a lot more out of him. What he brings to the side is wasted on the right hand side, where you need someone with skill, creativity and pace. The same could be said for a striker, but Dirks attributes are suited more to someone upfront than out wide.

 

If he was rotated, and got games as a striker, I doubt people would be as hostile towards him. It isn't Dirk's fault, and it's hard not to like him, as he works his arse off, but he just isn't what we need out wide, and I much prefer to see Yossi there than Dirk.

 

If he was rotated out of our squad it would be a lot better :thumbup:

[SpeedyG]

Seriously, if Dirk was rested more, and was played upfront, we would get a lot more out of him. What he brings to the side is wasted on the right hand side, where you need someone with skill, creativity and pace. The same could be said for a striker, but Dirks attributes are suited more to someone upfront than out wide.

 

If he was rotated, and got games as a striker, I doubt people would be as hostile towards him. It isn't Dirk's fault, and it's hard not to like him, as he works his arse off, but he just isn't what we need out wide, and I much prefer to see Yossi there than Dirk.

 

Seriously, I don't think we would. This is his level.

[Woo]

If he was rotated out of our squad it would be a lot better :thumbup:

 

How long did that one take you to think of?

[Badix]

That's why I used the word effective.

 

He's hardly that effective either, Benayoun and Babel would have a far greater output than Kuyt if they were allowed to play in as many games.

[SpeedyG]

If he was rotated out of our squad it would be a lot better :thumbup:

 

I agree, but that was kind of my point, the Bentley's and Lennon's aren't that much better that what they add from an attacking perspective would make up for the positives in Dirk's game. If you are going to shift him out, it's going to take a Ribery or a Maxi Rodriguez type to do it.

[Woo]

Seriously, I don't think we would. This is his level.

 

You think what is his level?

 

His goalscoring record as a striker before he came here was phenomenal, and he was decent in his first season here as a striker. Since then he has struggled. Get him back upfront where he should be played.