Coronavirus

[Mudface 5,260]

2 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Age?

I'm 53, male, Scotland.

 

Absolutely no idea what you're on about here.

[Pureblood 7,454]

5 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Quite, we're all sick of engaging with the bullshit itself so we go directly to the basic lack of credibility.

That's true, you don't engage with the point of view. 

 

And it just so happens that everyone with an alternative point of view is so susceptible to being fact checked and has zero credibility, what are the odds on that. 

[Pureblood 7,454]

Just now, Mudface said:

I'm 53, male, Scotland.

 

Absolutely no idea what you're on about here.

Ok, no probs.

[Mudface 5,260]

Just now, Pureblood said:

Ok, no probs.

Yeah.

[Rico1304 8,854]

6 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

That's true, you don't engage with the point of view. 

 

And it just so happens that everyone with an alternative point of view is so susceptible to being fact checked and has zero credibility, what are the odds on that. 

Post truth.  
 

Rejecting the facts because the narrative is attractive.  You’ve been Bannon’d. 

[Red Phoenix 1,956]

 

[TheHowieLama 13,017]

34 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Unless you're a woman.

Not controversial, Shirley.

[Pidge 4,494]

6 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

That's true, you don't engage with the point of view. 

 

And it just so happens that everyone with an alternative point of view is so susceptible to being fact checked and has zero credibility, what are the odds on that. 

Really quite reasonable. In fact, in a scientific field, I'd expect around 100% of people to be subject to scrutiny.

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,533]

3 hours ago, Boss said:

I have a problem with my freedoms being restricted by the government because they want to use my body as a science experiment. 

The rep from TK is exactly the response this post merits.

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,533]

2 hours ago, A Red said:

Angels are real, I had a photo taken last week, I'd always suspected but I never really knew I was one.

 

 

 

 

Exactly how I would have pictured you.

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,533]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Slogans are simpler than reality.

[Bjornebye 33,795]

7 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I was supposed to get my freedoms back if I got the vaccine.

 

Mark this date in your diary, because I got this one WRONG. How could I be so stupid to believe what I was told?

 

Now I'm losing all my freedoms again, ostensibly because of a variant which has killed nobody and which has hospitalised nobody.

 

Never again will I fall for such a transparent bait and switch. Never again.

What freedoms are you losing? 

6 hours ago, Pidge said:

Have they determined that it's extremely mild?

Don’t ask him, soft arse still thinks we’re in a delayed first wave that ended last winter 

2 hours ago, A Red said:

Angels are real, I had a photo taken last week, I'd always suspected but I never really knew I was one.

 

 

 

 

I always assumed you looked just like Rik in your avatar. Good looking fella aren’t you on the sly. Orange bastard 

1 hour ago, Mudface said:

I'm 53, male, Scotland.

 

Absolutely no idea what you're on about here.

You’re 53?!????!!!!! 
 

 

 

Fucks happening here 

[Red Phoenix 1,956]

36 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Slogans are simpler than reality.

 

Sorry, maybe people are getting things mixed up and the new normal is that our bodies are government property to be injected every 6 months with vaccines that we have no long term health information on in order to have a normal life that isn't really normal at all because it requires being injected every 6 months.

 

While the people that have had covid and have their own immunity are completely ignored because it doesn't rake in cash for pharma corps.

 

When you have a good look around at how many people are having their lives destroyed by these measures and how much corrupt governments and corporations are keeping it going, along with so many people supporting the idea of a segregated society, covid passes and at the extreme end mandated injections, well it starts to get easier to think about how the Nazis came to power.

[Bjornebye 33,795]

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Sorry, maybe people are getting things mixed up and the new normal is that our bodies are government property to be injected every 6 months with vaccines that we have no long term health information on in order to have a normal life that isn't really normal at all because it requires being injected every 6 months.

 

While the people that have had covid and have their own immunity are completely ignored because it doesn't rake in cash for pharma corps.

 

When you have a good look around at how many people are having their lives destroyed by these measures and how much corrupt governments and corporations are keeping it going, along with so many people supporting the idea of a segregated society, covid passes and at the extreme end mandated injections, well it starts to get easier to think about how the Nazis came to power.

Anyone who compares the nazis to this crisis is a complete horror. Take it back because I don’t think you’re a bad person 

[Red Phoenix 1,956]

38 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Anyone who compares the nazis to this crisis is a complete horror. Take it back because I don’t think you’re a bad person 

 

If people are going to carry on scapegoating unvaccinated and be ok with mandates and passes I can't really think of anything else but fascism. Many of you here might be ok with it, but those that don't want the vaccine have no chance of any type of normal life whatsoever unless these measures pass and there's no end in sight, including for unvaxxed people that already have immunity from covid. And every 6 months of this will create more pissed off people sick of it.

 

This complete madness has to end eventually or we've had it as any type of normal society. It doesn't matter how many people go along with this, ending up in a goverment/corporate technocrat authoritarian nightmare is not the answer to this, no matter how many scientific studies support it.

[Red Phoenix 1,956]

From a link I posted earlier :

 

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But why has the mainstream Left ended up supporting practically all Covid measures? How did such a simplistic view of the relationship between health and the economy emerge, one which makes a mockery of decades of (Left-leaning) social science research showing just how closely wealth and health outcomes are connected? Why did the Left ignore the massive increase in inequalities, the attack on the poor, on poor countries, on women and children, the cruel treatment of the elderly, and the huge increase in wealth for the richest individuals and corporations resulting from these policies? How, in relation to the development and roll-out of vaccines, did the Left end up ridiculing the very notion that, given the money at stake, and when BioNTech, Moderna and Pfizer currently make between them over US$1,000 per second from the Covid vaccines, there might be motivations from the vaccine manufacturers other than “the public good” at play? And how is it possible that the Left, often on the receiving end of state repression, today seems oblivious to the worrying ethical and political implications of Covid passports?

 . . .

Ultimately, any form of government action should be judged for what it actually stands for. We support government intervention if it serves to further the rights of workers and minorities, to create full employment, to provide crucial public services, to rein in corporate power, to correct the dysfunctionalities of markets, to take control of crucial industries in the public interest. But in the past 18 months we have witnessed the exact opposite: an unparalleled strengthening of transnational corporate behemoths and their oligarchs at the expense of workers and local businesses. A report last month based on Forbes data showed that America’s billionaires alone have seen their wealth increase by US$2 trillion during the pandemic.

 . . .

Another factor explaining the Left’s embrace of “Covid measures” is its blind faith in “science”. This has its roots in the Left’s traditional faith in rationalism. However, one thing is believing in the undeniable virtues of the scientific method – another is being completely oblivious to the way those in power exploit “science” to further their agenda. Being able to appeal to “hard scientific data” to justify one’s policy choices is an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of governments – it is, in fact, the essence of technocracy. However, this means carefully selecting the “science” that is supportive of your agenda – and aggressively marginalising any alternative views, regardless of their scientific value.

 

 

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-lefts-covid-failure/

[Bjornebye 33,795]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

If people are going to carry on scapegoating unvaccinated and be ok with mandates and passes I can't really think of anything else but fascism. Many of you here might be ok with it, but those that don't want the vaccine have no chance of any type of normal life whatsoever unless these measures pass and there's no end in sight, including for unvaxxed people that already have immunity from covid. And every 6 months of this will create more pissed off people sick of it.

 

This complete madness has to end eventually or we've had it as any type of normal society. It doesn't matter how many people go along with this, ending up in a goverment/corporate technocrat authoritarian nightmare is not the answer to this, no matter how many scientific studies support it.

Yeah show me where anyone’s been mandated to get vaccinated in This country. 

[Red Phoenix 1,956]

33 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah show me where anyone’s been mandated to get vaccinated in This country. 

 

There's growing talk of mandates and they're actually happening in other countries but I don't really see many people being bothered. Instead it's almost like there's a growing acceptance that mandates might be introduced in the future, and shit like this planned for Austria is normalised for the most part :

 

Those refusing to be vaccinated are likely to face administrative fines, which can be converted into a prison sentence if the fine cannot be recovered.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/19/austria-plans-compulsory-covid-vaccination-for-all

 

Imagine getting covid and going through a nightmare with it, then coming out the other side and having good immunity then ending up being fined for it or going to prison. That's insane.

[Rico1304 8,854]

7 hours ago, Mudface said:

I'm 53, male, Scotland.

 

Absolutely no idea what you're on about here.

53 in Scotland.  Wow, I bet people stare at you in the street! 

[Rico1304 8,854]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

There's growing talk of mandates and they're actually happening in other countries but I don't really see many people being bothered. Instead it's almost like there's a growing acceptance that mandates might be introduced in the future, and shit like this planned for Austria is normalised for the most part :

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/19/austria-plans-compulsory-covid-vaccination-for-all

 

Imagine getting covid and going through a nightmare with it, then coming out the other side and having good immunity then ending up being fined for it or going to prison. That's insane.

You know that the vaccine gives better immunity and having a vaccine gives a firm date for follow ups.  

[Pureblood 7,454]

8 hours ago, Pidge said:

Really quite reasonable. In fact, in a scientific field, I'd expect around 100% of people to be subject to scrutiny.

I thought we were going straight to the lack of credibility, not scrutiny.  Make your mind up. 

[Mudface 5,260]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

53 in Scotland.  Wow, I bet people stare at you in the street! 

There goes Old Father Time they whisper as I pass.

[Pureblood 7,454]

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-delivers-13-times-more-protection-than-covid-vaccines/

 

However a recent Israeli study shows that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than vaccines in protecting individuals. “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccines had a 13-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.”

[Mudface 5,260]

7 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

You’re 53?!????!!!!! 

Not for very much longer, sadly.

[Rico1304 8,854]

26 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-delivers-13-times-more-protection-than-covid-vaccines/

 

However a recent Israeli study shows that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than vaccines in protecting individuals. “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccines had a 13-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.”

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.