Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 minutes ago, moof said:

. We need to get away from bullshit notions of “personality politics”

But.... but.... how could we sustain our "personality cult" if we did that?

[moof]

8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Just for clarity, as I was in the quoted text you replied to, I haven't said any of this and they don't have anything to do with me, my opinions, nor the giant corporate entity that feeds my opinions. 

Just for clarity, your main aversion to Corbyn is that you just don’t like him, he’s not a leader, his position on brexit is damaging and he can’t win an election..? What else am I missing?

[Strontium]

37 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

What don't you like about Corbyn's politics ? 

 

I'm a liberal, not a hard left socialist. Shouldn't be hard to work it out.

[Jairzinho]

Thankfully the policies aren't even close to being hard left.

[Bjornebye]

10 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I'm a liberal, not a hard left socialist. Shouldn't be hard to work it out.

Erm..... 

[Numero Veinticinco]

11 minutes ago, moof said:

Just for clarity, your main aversion to Corbyn is that you just don’t like him, he’s not a leader, his position on brexit is damaging and he can’t win an election..? What else am I missing?

 

There is no 'just don't like him' as if I'm some halfwitted idiot that just swallows and regurgitates the Murdoch media. I think you probably know me better than that by now. There are some reasons why I don't think he's a good leader and shouldn't be leader of the Labour Party, but the main and most important one is that I don't think he can win an election in order to make his agenda a reality. I want somebody, from the left or centre left, who can put in place a series of policies to make the country a better place, especially for those who need help the most. I don't think Corbyn can achieve that, regardless of whether or not I like him on a personal level or not - and he seems perfectly fine as a human being to me, but professionally I think he's pretty bad. We can, for all the good it will do, point fingers at the bad men who throw shit at him, but what will it achieve. It won't achieve the agenda being put into place. Being in power is everything if you want to get things done. Jesus himself could come down from heaven and promise to fart rainbows into our bank accounts, but if he doesn't win an election it doesn't mean a fuckin' thing. 

 

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I'm a liberal, not a hard left socialist. Shouldn't be hard to work it out.

Leaving aside whether or not the 'hard left' moniker is accurately attributed to him, I think it's probably fair to jump to the wild conclusion that you hate him, based off of your comments regarding antisemitism during the 'English humour' debacle, his association with terrorists, etc. If you're going to both portray him as an antisemitic terrorist associate, and yourself as a near perfect bastion of virtue, it would surely be fair to assume you dislike him because of those things. 

 

I seem to be in this strange position where the centrists or centre rights are saying I like him and defend him and the lefties say I hate him. I think I'm one of the few people with some objectivity around the guy. I just want the Tories out. You guys can argue over Corbyn all you like, I honestly am ambivalent about him as a person. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

13 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Thankfully the policies aren't even close to being hard left.

 

Sent from Gulag High Command app

Likely story, Commie. 

[moof]

15 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

There is no 'just don't like him' as if I'm some halfwitted idiot that just swallows and regurgitates the Murdoch media. I think you probably know me better than that by now. There are some reasons why I don't think he's a good leader and shouldn't be leader of the Labour Party, but the main and most important one is that I don't think he can win an election in order to make his agenda a reality. I want somebody, from the left or centre left, who can put in place a series of policies to make the country a better place, especially for those who need help the most. I don't think Corbyn can achieve that, regardless of whether or not I like him on a personal level or not - and he seems perfectly fine as a human being to me, but professionally I think he's pretty bad. We can, for all the good it will do, point fingers at the bad men who throw shit at him, but what will it achieve. It won't achieve the agenda being put into place. Being in power is everything if you want to get things done. Jesus himself could come down from heaven and promise to fart rainbows into our bank accounts, but if he doesn't win an election it doesn't mean a fuckin' thing. 

Mate, as far as I’m aware you’ve said many times you don’t like him. I’m not trying to portray you as some kind of dimwit, if I’m wrong I take it back and apologise. 

 

I’m not sure anyone can claim total objectivity when it comes to this subject.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, moof said:

Mate, as far as I’m aware you’ve said many times you don’t like him. I’m not trying to portray you as some kind of dimwit, if I’m wrong I take it back and apologise. 

 

I’m not sure anyone can claim total objectivity when it comes to this subject.

I don’t think I ever said I just dislike him. If I ever have said that I dislike him, I’m fairly sure that it’s in the context of his professional leadership. I could be wrong, but it’s not how I feel about him on a personal level. He’s a fairly old fella who could grow a cracking marrow. Honesty, if he wasn’t the leader of the opposition, nobody would give a single shit about him. For me, people seem to have to take a side. Pro-Corbyn or anti-Corbyn. He’s either the second coming or he’s Hitler’s livechild he’ll bend in destroying everything. It is becoming about Corbyn when it shouldn’t be about him, it should be about the policies and the ability to win elections to get those policies into place. I don’t mind most of his policies, but I do mind that I don’t think he can win. One thing is for sure, I don’t just dislike him for the sake of it. I dislike the job he is doing. 

 

 

[moof]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I don’t think I ever said I just dislike him. If I ever have said that I dislike him, I’m fairly sure that it’s in the context of his professional leadership. I could be wrong, but it’s not how I feel about him on a personal level. He’s a fairly old fella who could grow a cracking marrow. Honesty, if he wasn’t the leader of the opposition, nobody would give a single shit about him. For me, people seem to have to take a side. Pro-Corbyn or anti-Corbyn. He’s either the second coming or he’s Hitler’s livechild he’ll bend in destroying everything. It is becoming about Corbyn when it shouldn’t be about him, it should be about the policies and the ability to win elections to get those policies into place. I don’t mind most of his policies, but I do mind that I don’t think he can win. One thing is for sure, I don’t just dislike him for the sake of it. I dislike the job he is doing. 

 

 

Typical mealy mouth reply from Jeff Bezos’ fluffer.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, moof said:

Typical mealy mouth reply from Jeff Bezos’ fluffer.

If only, Sweetheart. If only. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Just read that rockstar makers of GTA have paid no tax in 10 years in fact they got 42 million quid in tax relief even though it has an operating profit of 4 billion quid worldwide. It's not illegal but it's a bit shit. 

[Barrington Womble]

14 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Just read that rockstar makers of GTA have paid no tax in 10 years in fact they got 42 million quid in tax relief even though it has an operating profit of 4 billion quid worldwide. It's not illegal but it's a bit shit. 

This is the trouble with tax in general at the moment, it's so easy for these big multinationals to avoid paying corporation tax it's mental. The only way to solve it is admit you can't tax the cunts or find an international solution to the problem. But in recent years the trend is less and less international cooperation, so we might as well give up trying to tax these cunts on profits and find other ways to make them pay their share. 

[Vincent Vega]

13 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

This is the trouble with tax in general at the moment, it's so easy for these big multinationals to avoid paying corporation tax it's mental. The only way to solve it is admit you can't tax the cunts or find an international solution to the problem. But in recent years the trend is less and less international cooperation, so we might as well give up trying to tax these cunts on profits and find other ways to make them pay their share. 

A license to trade. You have to pay a levy of a percentage of your sales in the UK (something fair to both the business and the country) or you can’t do business here. 

[Strontium]

9 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

A license to trade. You have to pay a levy of a percentage of your sales in the UK (something fair to both the business and the country) or you can’t do business here. 

 

Isn't that sort of what VAT is? We add 20% to video games that are sold in the UK.

[Vincent Vega]

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Isn't that sort of what VAT is? We add 20% to video games that are sold in the UK.

Not really as that’s paid by the consumer, not the business.

[Barrington Womble]

15 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

A license to trade. You have to pay a levy of a percentage of your sales in the UK (something fair to both the business and the country) or you can’t do business here. 

Yeah, I've been thinking about stuff like that. I'm not sure how we'd measure it. The problem with a levy on sales is it doesn't account for things like low margin businesses without making the tax system very complicated. It's a really tough one to crack and I'll be honest, while I run a business, I don't understand the complexities of the tax system well enough to hold a good view. This is probably the issue with governments, I can't imagine any of these politicians know it any better than me and it would need sharp accountants, legal people as well as a willing civil service. 

[Barrington Womble]

7 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Not really as that’s paid by the consumer, not the business.

Everything is ultimately paid by the consumer! You tax Amazon more, prices will go up. But it will stop Amazon having an unfair advantage over a bloke who runs a single shop on the high st. Well obviously they'll have better quantity of scale, better lawyers, better accountants, but at least they won't also get to do business next to tax free. 

[Vincent Vega]

5 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Yeah, I've been thinking about stuff like that. I'm not sure how we'd measure it. The problem with a levy on sales is it doesn't account for things like low margin businesses without making the tax system very complicated. It's a really tough one to crack and I'll be honest, while I run a business, I don't understand the complexities of the tax system well enough to hold a good view. This is probably the issue with governments, I can't imagine any of these politicians know it any better than me and it would need sharp accountants, legal people as well as a willing civil service. 

 

3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Everything is ultimately paid by the consumer! You tax Amazon more, prices will go up. But it will stop Amazon having an unfair advantage over a bloke who runs a single shop on the high st. Well obviously they'll have better quantity of scale, better lawyers, better accountants, but at least they won't also get to do business next to tax free. 

Yes mate I know it’s ridiculously complex. It just needs to be something larger companies can’t avoid through clever (dishonest) accounting. I wouldn’t be changing anything for small businesses, it would be companies with turnovers of maybe £5m plus.

 

If it was done right you could even incorporate changes to business rates too to level the playing field between those businesses with large property portfolios and those that are almost exclusively online.

[sir roger]

Maybe put a lower limit on the tax - £10m turnover upwards or whatever ?

[Vincent Vega]

3 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Maybe put a lower limit on the tax - £10m turnover upwards or whatever ?

I like your thinking, but I think my £5m is fair. 

[Strontium]

29 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Not really as that’s paid by the consumer, not the business.

 

I know this, hence the "sort of" qualification. But if you introduce some kind of extra turnover tax onto businesses, I think it's naïve to presume that some of that won't also be passed on to the consumer.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Just read that rockstar makers of GTA have paid no tax in 10 years in fact they got 42 million quid in tax relief even though it has an operating profit of 4 billion quid worldwide. It's not illegal but it's a bit shit. 

 

It's a good job Corbyn isn't PM at the moment because if he was that would've been disgustingly anti-semitic. There'd have been letters in the media with hundreds of signatures that would've proved it too.

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Just read that rockstar makers of GTA have paid no tax in 10 years in fact they got 42 million quid in tax relief even though it has an operating profit of 4 billion quid worldwide. It's not illegal but it's a bit shit. 

I just heard today that my mate Billy used to share a room in a squat in Leiden with Matthew Smith. As in the lad that did Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy. Ended up getting deported for having no papers whatsoever apparently. 

 

I'm hearing he is now working at Rockstar. 

 

Lad should be living in a Jet Set Willy 2D mansion doing all the psychedelics he wants. 

 

 

[Mudface]

11 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

I just heard today that my mate Billy used to share a room in a squat in Leiden with Matthew Smith. As in the lad that wrote Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy. Ended up getting deported for having no papers whatsoever apparently. 

 

I'm hearing he is now working at Rockstar. 

 

Lad should be living in a Jet Set Willy 2D mansion doing all the psychedelics he wants. 

 

 

Pretty sure that's a different Matthew Smith. By some accounts, he's done plenty of psychedelics in his time though.