Coronavirus

[Captain Turdseye]

3 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The returning hero is shitting out of PMQs and sending Dominic Raab instead. 

 

EDIT: it's since been confirmed that his missus has just given birth, so we'll let him off. 

Too late. I’m already outraged. 

[Spy Bee]

7 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

In that case you have a major problem, as most forward thinking countries are trying to contain and or eradicate until treatments become available.

which is why you will see restrictions relaxed and then increased again as necessary.

the point of lockdowns is to reduce rates of infection, flatten the curve, and try and prevent ICUs being overwhelmed and so to save more lives rather than turning people away or having to take over 70’s off intubation in order to give it to someone younger. Those risks have not gone away in the UK, not whilst you still have so many new cases daily.

On your first point, if you mean keeping the reproduction rate at or below R1 then I agree, but most European countries gave up eradication as a strategy long ago.

On the second point I have highlighted, the hospitals are by and large empty in the UK. Many are considering starting elective surgery again. The new cases per day are falling despite the amount of testing significantly increasing. This might well be because they have let people die in their own homes and care homes rather than admitting them, but that is the fact of the matter.

 

The Tories have made an absolute balls of this, but the situation we are in now is not that bad (I'm not talking about the number of people who have already died, and I really shouldn't have to clarify that). We can't just hide away forever as there is a flip side to the coin. At some stage protecting people from Covid-19 actually damages individuals and society more and leads to more suffering and death from other causes.

Cancer referrals not happening, cancer treatments not happening, people not being able to get a doctor's appointment for a persistent headache etc. Domestic violence, mental health problems. The list goes on.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Jesus. That’s a bad take even for on here. Never mind though.   

 

This from the twerp who's trying to be a snide smart-arse because people who disagreed with the content of one telly programme agree with the content of a different one.

 

As a great philosopher one said "You can't judge one by looking at the other."  Stop pretending there's any validity to your puerile snark.

 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

This from the twerp who's trying to be a snide smart-arse because people who disagreed with the content of one telly programme agree with the content of a different one.

 

As a great philosopher one said "You can't judge one by looking at the other."  Stop pretending there's any validity to your puerile snark.

 

 

Are you on your period?  
 

They are both Panorama programmes, albeit under different producers. Or are you suggesting they just happen to have the same name? Complete and utter nonsense.  

[Colonel Bumcunt]

All the Tory outriders and fanatics are in overdrive trying to deflect the blame.  They don't care where the blame goes, it's spraying everywhere except the party of their beloved leader. 

It's the most North Korean shit you've ever seen. 

But it's understandable, their morals are at stake, their whole life-view, their opinions are in danger of being invalidated forever for backing the wrong horse, it's personal.

 

And so we see all of them frothing at someone. 

I've seen people slagging off the dead nurses because their family received £60k, but they argue that dead soldiers are not paid.

I've seen NHS waste blamed, but no specifics about what NHS waste is.

I've seen the media blamed.

I've seen China blame.

I've seen Labour blamed for not being 'an effective opposition'

I've seen immigrants blamed.

I've seen refugees blamed.

 

And we've also seen The Sunday Times and Channel 4 now BANNED from the daily press briefings.  And yet since then, The Observer this week were warned by the government about their editorial, and now we have the Panorama doc, and we also have Good Morning Britain eviscerating Tory MPs each morning to the point they are no longer making MPs available for an interview.  Allied to that, the right complain about the BBC, they complain about Sky (Beth Rigby and Adam Boulton), they complain about The Guardian, they complain about The Daily Mirror, and now they complain about the Financial Times. 

 

This government is being propped up by: 

- The BBC

- The Daily Telegraph

- The S*n

- The Daily Mail

- Facebook and Twitter activists and fake accounts

 

It's unequivocally the worst government this country has ever seen.  It's divided the country, it's driven people to the brink of mania, it's made pariahs of the judiciary, of teachers, of doctors and nurses, of universities, of scientists. 

 

Now we have this festering pile of shit.  Enjoy.

 

 

[Strontium]

10 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

On the second point I have highlighted, the hospitals are by and large empty in the UK.

Yep. My brother says his hospital is like The Shining. The nurses have been spending their time making TikTok videos. None of their normal work can be carried out without NHS approval.

 

Meanwhile our aunt can't get treatment for eye cancer.

[Spy Bee]

I totally get why it was done. We saw the scenes in Italy, but we need to make sure standard NHS services are being offered. My missus has to have an annual scan... this is not due until October, but has been cancelled already with no future appointment booked in. People will die because scans like this are not happening.

[Bjornebye]

I know 3 people (one with the C word) who are being treated normally without covid. My birds uncle is in for a back operation in a few days. He only went to get it checked when he got stiff just over a week ago. 
 

must be different by hospital. Although them 3 see 3 different hospitals. 

[Anubis]

9 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

What other positive news has there been?

[Anubis]

43 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The returning hero is shitting out of PMQs and sending Dominic Raab instead. 

 

EDIT: it's since been confirmed that his missus has just given birth, so we'll let him off. 

Be fair, he has to see the latest child once before he abandons it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I read a Penguin book once and I didn't like it.

 

This does not make me a hypocrite if I later read another Penguin book and decide that I like that one.

Here you go, Rico; I've amended my analogy to make it match your flapdoodle more closely.

 

You're welcome. 

[Spy Bee]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I know 3 people (one with the C word) who are being treated normally without covid. My birds uncle is in for a back operation in a few days. He only went to get it checked when he got stiff just over a week ago. 
 

must be different by hospital. Although them 3 see 3 different hospitals. 

I think if you are taking Liverpool area, certain hospitals have been specified for Covid, and certain ones not.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

what other positive news has there been? 

What I meant by this is when a study comes out showing that mortality rates are lower than expected, it doesn't get mentioned or it gets dismissed. If a scare story comes out that Covid-19 is killing children everyone seems to jump on it. There's some weird kind of obsession with wanting to believe the worst it seems. 

 

Mortality rates seem to be a fraction of what was being talked about a month ago. Infection rates have fallen dramatically, death rates are falling consistently, great progress is being made with a vaccine/vaccines. There have been great stories of human endeavour and great personal stories of people surviving against the odds, but some people seem to have a maudlin desire to focus solely on the horrific, negative and tragic aspects of the story. 

 

Each to their own I suppose. Whatever help you get through the day. I couldn't be like that, it wouldn't be good for my mental health.

 

[Lario]

13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I know 3 people (one with the C word) who are being treated normally without covid. My birds uncle is in for a back operation in a few days. He only went to get it checked when he got stiff just over a week ago. 

Maybe he's sneaking Viagra?

[Mudface]

10 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

What I meant by this is when a study comes out showing that mortality rates are lower than expected, it doesn't get mentioned or it gets dismissed. If a scare story comes out that Covid-19 is killing children everyone seems to jump on it. There's some weird kind of obsession with wanting to believe the worst it seems. 

 

Mortality rates seem to be a fraction of what was being talked about a month ago. Infection rates have fallen dramatically, death rates are falling consistently, great progress is being made with a vaccine/vaccines. There have been great stories of human endeavour and great personal stories of people surviving against the odds, but some people seem to have a maudlin desire to focus solely on the horrific, negative and tragic aspects of the story. 

 

Each to their own I suppose. Whatever help you get through the day. I couldn't be like that, it wouldn't be good for my mental health.

 

The mortality rate won't be known until well after the virus has made its way through the population, if ever. No one can say for sure what it's going to be, so it's best to err on the side of caution. Even a 0.5% rate would kill around 300K people in the UK, and there's no real evidence yet it'll be that level or lower.

 

Infection rates have dropped due to the lockdown, the big problem is now going to be easing that without it taking off again.

 

Up to 50K people have died in a couple of months, and the virus may cause severe inflammatory responses in children who've hitherto been thought to be pretty much spared by the disease, the economy is fucked and millions could potentially lose their jobs and livelihoods. The overall picture is unrelentingly negative, and while the odd positive story is very welcome to relieve the gloom, they're the equivalent of finding a dog alive weeks after a major earthquake. There's no point hiding your head in the sand about this, it's a really grim situation.

[Spy Bee]

Thanks, you've just made my point.

[Bjornebye]

21 minutes ago, Lario said:

Maybe he's sneaking Viagra?

I suspected that 

[Bjornebye]

24 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

 

What I meant by this is when a study comes out showing that mortality rates are lower than expected, it doesn't get mentioned or it gets dismissed. If a scare story comes out that Covid-19 is killing children everyone seems to jump on it. There's some weird kind of obsession with wanting to believe the worst it seems. 

 

Mortality rates seem to be a fraction of what was being talked about a month ago. Infection rates have fallen dramatically, death rates are falling consistently, great progress is being made with a vaccine/vaccines. There have been great stories of human endeavour and great personal stories of people surviving against the odds, but some people seem to have a maudlin desire to focus solely on the horrific, negative and tragic aspects of the story. 

 

Each to their own I suppose. Whatever help you get through the day. I couldn't be like that, it wouldn't be good for my mental health.

 

Lower than expected by who? We don’t know the actual figures as it is but only two months ago the PM was saying he has been shaking hands with people with covid-19 and downplaying it. 

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Lower than expected by who? We don’t know the actual figures as it is but only two months ago the PM was saying he has been shaking hands with people with covid-19 and downplaying it. 

The initial figures mentioned were a mortality rate of 5%. Now the latest studies are showing it being sub 0.5%... That's a significant improvement. 

 

Another example would be the asymptomatic numbers. The suggested numbers of asymptomatic cases has grown significantly - that's obviously positive news, but that has not been picked up on by those who are all doom and gloom.

 

Nobody needs to tell me this is a shit situation. It's fucking obvious it's a shit situation, but let's not wallow in it and be maudlin, let's try and have some perspective (it could be a lot worse) and pragmatic (maybe it's not as bad as we think/thought).

[Rico1304]

36 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Here you go, Rico; I've amended my analogy to make it match your flapdoodle more closely.

 

You're welcome. 

That’s fine. You didn’t like the first Panorama so you question the integrity of the programme, BBC etc.  That’s exactly what I thought. Ta. 

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

The initial figures mentioned were a mortality rate of 5%. Now the latest studies are showing it being sub 0.5%... That's a significant improvement. 

 

Another example would be the asymptomatic numbers. The suggested numbers of asymptomatic cases has grown significantly - that's obviously positive news, but that has not been picked up on by those who are all doom and gloom.

 

Nobody needs to tell me this is a shit situation. It's fucking obvious it's a shit situation, but let's not wallow in it and be maudlin, let's try and have some perspective (it could be a lot worse) and pragmatic (maybe it's not as bad as we think/thought).

But people aren't wallowing in it. No study on mortality rate or infection rate is going to be anywhere near accurate yet. The only concrete figures we have, and even those are under-reported, is that tens of thousands of people have died.

[Anubis]

SpyBee vs Mudface.

 

[Mudface]

12 minutes ago, Anubis said:

SpyBee vs Mudface.

 

Haha. I've just come out of our weekly 'well being' call at work. The same points that got us into this mess in the first place are being made, 'it's just 'flu really', 'these people would have died soon anyway', and best of all,  'there's no need for lockdown as the infection rates are down and those new hospitals are pretty much empty'. There was praise for Johnson and some cooing over his new baby (I spoiled the mood a bit by asking whether that was his 5th or 6th child).

 

I felt worse after the call than before.

[Sugar Ape]

On 18/04/2020 at 09:54, Sugar Ape said:

That Karol Sakora is one of the worst people on Twitter through all this. He’s the one my mate quotes every day who thinks all the restrictions are going to end imminently and this will all blow over. This is from last week. Bars and restaurants open by mid May. The man is a lunatic, and I wouldn’t believe a word he said. He’s not even an epidemiologist.  
 

 

 

Also got form for being a bullshitter it seems. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/may/22/karol-sikora-honorary-professor-imperial-college

That Sikora is an absolute chancer. Spouts the biggest amount of bullshit related to this crisis I’ve seen. 

[Elite]

8 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

That Sikora is an absolute chancer. Spouts the biggest amount of bullshit related to this crisis I’ve seen. 

Appears to be from the Professor Green school of scholars.

[Sugar Ape]

6 minutes ago, Elite said:

Appears to be from the Professor Green school of scholars.