Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

"What about the Tories?" is not, and never will be, a good riposte to accusations of shortcomings in the Labour Party.

 

Yeah it wouldn't be if I thought this was actually a serious problem. I think it's a bullshit smear campaign though so not bothered. And if they force Corbyn out that will drive anti-semitism way more than anything Labour have done wrong. A load of those 15,000 pages will be filled with shite too I'd guess, probably with a fair amount equating anti-zionism with anti-semitism.

 

The Tories on the other hand do have a serious problem with Islamophobia from what we can tell.

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Any chance of you reading that article above?

 

These slanderous lot are just scared of losing their 300 quid daily fee for turning up at the house of lords. Its lies and smear to save their own pockets. Surely you can see that? 

 

I've read that article.

 

No, I don't see that peers are worried about losing attendance allowances. I have seen no evidence for that.

 

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yeah it wouldn't be if I thought this was actually a serious problem. I think it's a bullshit smear campaign though so not bothered. And if they force Corbyn out that will drive anti-semitism way more than anything Labour have done wrong. A load of those 15,000 pages will be filled with shite too I'd guess, probably with a fair amount equating anti-zionism with anti-semitism.

 

The Tories on the other hand do have a serious problem with Islamophobia from what we can tell.

 

I suspect you haven't got the first clue about what is actually out there.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I've read that article.

 

 

But you don't have any opinion you would like to share because it doesn't suit your biased one-dimensional agenda? 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It would've happened to "toxic" Ed Miliband eventually, if he'd have stuck around for longer. Ed Miliband, "toxic."  I mean, come on now? 

 

The knives were being sharpened. Maureen Lipman was Miliband's Riley and Oberman. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-funding-crisis-jewish-donors-drop-toxic-ed-miliband-9849299.html

[Strontium]

10 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

But you don't have any opinion you would like to share because it doesn't suit your biased one-dimensional agenda? 

 

I don't think it would serve any useful purpose for me to share my thoughts on it.

 

My agenda is the establishment of truth. I'm happy to allow the EHRC investigation to play out before I start pronouncing one way or the other.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I don't think it would serve any useful purpose for me to share my thoughts on it.

 

My agenda is the establishment of truth. I'm happy to allow the EHRC investigation to play out before I start pronouncing one way or the other.

How convenient.  

 

You are so transparent fella it is unreal. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

How convenient.  

 

You are so transparent fella it is unreal. 

 

No, it's just as a general rule, cherry-picking doesn't impress me much.

 

Would you take much notice of a table called "50 times Jeremy Corbyn stood by antisemites"? Well, then.

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

No, it's just as a general rule, cherry-picking doesn't impress me much.

 

Would you take much notice of a table called "50 times Jeremy Corbyn stood by antisemites"? Well, then.

Yes I would. But it doesn't exist does it SD. 

 

Cherry-Picking doesn't impress you much? Oh come off it. 

[sir roger]

Don't cross the Corb

 

Labour MP Emily Thornberry is in hospital after coming off her bicycle in an accident outside Parliament.

The shadow foreign secretary was involved in a collision with a vehicle in Parliament Square, Westminster, outside the House of Commons on Friday.

The Islington South and Finsbury MP was taken to hospital in an ambulance.

A spokesperson for Ms Thornberry said she was recovering in hospital and was "hugely grateful" for the support of the paramedics and A&E staff.

"We hope she will be back on her feet, back to work, and back on her bike as soon as possible."

[Stickman]

6 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Not remotely, they voted 67.6% to leave the European Union.

Nice to see some empathy from the Liberal Democrat .

I guess though seeing as half the children in several areas of  Dudley are growing up in  poverty I'm sure you'll be happy they'll reap what they sow.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

I suspect you haven't got the first clue about what is actually out there.

 

I think I have, I was born in Hull and grew up in a council area just outside of it. There's a load of racist cavemen all over the country and Labour have some of those people as members, but I don't think it's hugely different from what it was before and it's being blown out of all proportions by people opposed to Corbyn.

[Rico1304]

28 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I think I have, I was born in Hull and grew up in a council area just outside of it. There's a load of racist cavemen all over the country and Labour have some of those people as members, but I don't think it's hugely different from what it was before and it's being blown out of all proportions by people opposed to Corbyn.

Blown out of all proportion.  Think it’s quite important to those on the receiving end.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

28 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Blown out of all proportion.  Think it’s quite important to those on the receiving end.  

Is that a deliberate misrepresentation or is it an instinctive thing?

 

If two people get killed, that's a very bad thing. If anyone claims 20,000 people were killed, that would be blowing it out of all proportion.

 

But you know that. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

55 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Blown out of all proportion.  Think it’s quite important to those on the receiving end.  

Rico, protector of Jews. He really cares guys. He really cares. 

[Rico1304]

32 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Is that a deliberate misrepresentation or is it an instinctive thing?

 

If two people get killed, that's a very bad thing. If anyone claims 20,000 people were killed, that would be blowing it out of all proportion.

 

But you know that. 

Hold on, unless there’s another type of racism issue in the Labour Party I’m missing this isn’t being blown out of proportion.  The people fucking investigating it have said it, the people suffering it have said it, even JC has said it. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Hold on, unless there’s another type of racism issue in the Labour Party I’m missing this isn’t being blown out of proportion.  The people fucking investigating it have said it, the people suffering it have said it, even JC has said it. 

The number of people found guilty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party represent something like 0.06% of the membership.  Do you think that justifies the wall-to-wall coverage of "Labour’s anti-Semitism crisis"?

[aRdja]

27 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The number of people found guilty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party represent something like 0.06% of the membership.  Do you think that justifies the wall-to-wall coverage of "Labour’s anti-Semitism crisis"?

Even Ed Milliband was accused of encouraging anti-semitism and also Chomsky got accused of ‘promoting’ anti-semitism. Some actually call them the wrong type of Jews on twitter, thought I think it might have been sarcastic.

[Red Phoenix]

So why isn't Rico raging about Tory Islamophobia if he's so bothered about racism? Consistency kids.

[Red Phoenix]

I wonder how much evidence you could gather if you put together all of the Zionist smears against Corbyn since this whole drama started? Maybe that could go to 15,000 pages too. No involvement from the Israeli embassy though obviously, they've just been watching from the sidelines neutrally. Haha!

[Bjornebye]

 

But Jeremy Corby is an anti-semite 

 

 

[aRdja]

An interesting development.

 

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/loach-slams-panorama-documentary-as-a-dishonest-hatchet-job

 

KEN LOACH has put a motion to his constituency Labour Party slamming a Panorama documentary on alleged institutional anti-semitism in the Labour Party as a “dishonest hatchet job” and condemned the BBC for breaking its own code.

The film director – known for classics such as Cathy Come Home and I, Daniel Blake – said that the Is the Labour Party Anti-semitic? documentary was fundamentally biased.

Backlash from the programme’s airing and accusations of “institutional racism” within Labour intensifies with Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL) and constituency Labour Parties (CLPs) having expressed concern over the legitimacy of the claims.

JVL said that the documentary heavily featured advocates for Israel, while a number of CLPs including Bath, Cambridge, Liverpool Riverside and Hornsey and Wood Green have backed the leadership over the party’s handling of anti-semitism claims.

Mr Loach accused the programme of failing to comply with BBC Editorial Guidelines 4.3.12 and 4.3.1.

The first guideline states that the BBC “should not automatically assume that contributors from other organisations (such as academics, journalists, researchers and representatives of charities and think tanks) are unbiased.

“Appropriate information about their affiliations, funding and particular viewpoints should be made available to the audience, when relevant to the context.”

The Panorama show has been slammed for failing to reveal the affiliations of interviewees attacking Labour — with one, Ella Rose, having previously worked at the Israeli embassy while another, Alan Johnson, being editor of the journal of pro-Israel lobby group Bicom.

The second guideline states that a “diversity of opinion” should be included.

In a motion to his Bath CLP earlier this week, he wrote: “There was no attempt to put accusations of anti-semitism in a statistical context. The authoritative figure for reported cases given by [general secretary] Jennie Formby in Feb 2019 was the equivalent of 0.1 per cent of the membership.

“With such a tiny fraction of members involved, how can the case for ‘institutional anti-semitism’ be substantiated?

“Allegations were made without evidence or corroboration and were unchallenged by the interviewer. None of the many Jewish members who hold opposing views were interviewed.

“Two academics expressed opinions that have been fiercely contested in public debate, but this was not acknowledged, nor alternative views allowed,” he added.

He also expressed concern over the “manipulative” use of visuals and “sinister music” to put Jeremy Corbyn in a bad light.

He added that the programme’s potentially undemocratic consequences are revealed in its closing line that “asks for an alternative leader to replace Jeremy Corbyn.”

“It pretended to ask a question but had a pre-determined answer. It disgraced the name of Panorama and exposed the bias endemic within the BBC.”

His motion, which was seconded by Bath CLP member Lesley Bees, demands that the BBC makes a comparable documentary on whether the Labour Party is anti-semitic based on evidence.

[Barrington Womble]

17 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The number of people found guilty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party represent something like 0.06% of the membership.  Do you think that justifies the wall-to-wall coverage of "Labour’s anti-Semitism crisis"?

The issue is not about percentages is it? It's a question of if the party is institutionally anti-Semitic. For me this comes back to the simple case of Labour's inability to take control of this story, the media's obvious and predictable anti-corbyn bias and the absolute disarray within the labour party where the press don't need to work hard, because of the party infighting. The 1st and last of those 3 things are completely and utterly due to lack of leadership of the party. The middle one is down to the fact the labour party membership in electing Corbyn need to accept someone of his history will be deeply unpopular with the British media. It might not be fair, but it's a fact. All of this problem is completely and utterly self inflicted by labour.  

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

The issue is not about percentages is it? It's a question of if the party is institutionally anti-Semitic. For me this comes back to the simple case of Labour's inability to take control of this story, the media's obvious and predictable anti-corbyn bias and the absolute disarray within the labour party where the press don't need to work hard, because of the party infighting. The 1st and last of those 3 things are completely and utterly due to lack of leadership of the party. The middle one is down to the fact the labour party membership in electing Corbyn need to accept someone of his history will be deeply unpopular with the British media. It might not be fair, but it's a fact. All of this problem is completely and utterly self inflicted by labour.  

It’s self inflicted because, essentially, Labour members decided to elect a leader who is critical of the crimes Israel is committing and because they aren’t in control of the corporate media narrative? It’s their fault for electing a leader with morals who is hated by the corporate media? 

 

Wtf. 

[Barrington Womble]

14 minutes ago, moof said:

It’s self inflicted because, essentially, Labour members decided to elect a leader who is critical of the crimes Israel is committing and because they aren’t in control of the corporate media narrative? It’s their fault for electing a leader with morals who is hated by the corporate media? 

 

Wtf. 

Did you expect Corbyn would get an easy ride off the British media? It was 100% obvious to me they would never allow him to be prime minister because of his "old 80s" labour background. Everyone who voted for him as leader needs to accept this, they selected an leader who could never be prime minister because our press would never allow it. 

 

I expected after Corbyn was elected for him maybe to try and change the conversation for a year or two and then step aside, because he simply has no chance of being elected. That's why all the career politicians in the labour party hate him too. They want to be in government, not failing to beat the worst government in history. 

[moof]

Fucking outstanding. Needless to say, Barry, as with almost everything else, you and I aren’t going to agree on this.