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Keepers who play for shit teams often look better than they are, as do keepers who play for very defensive teams.

 

We would be absolutely mad to pay 100m for Oblak. We have to be smarter than that.

 

 

But isn't that kind of like the Tom Heaton logic?

 

Not really, Bremen's main problem is that they don't score enough. They've only let in 21 goals all season but have scored a whole 14! Only Bayern and Frankfurt have let in less goals, only Koln have scored less. If Bremen had a better forward line they would easily be in the top half of the table, comfortably. Looking at the stats for shots against they are about average with most teams. I've watched this lad every weekend on highlights and a few full matches and he is very good. 

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I tend to agree with you. If we are talking good scouting then you would seriously have to consider that Nick Pope at Burnley. I can almost here lots of people wailing about buying him though saying he's untried etc etc. Well how do you find them if you do not scout them in those circumstances. We either pay shitloads for a high profile keeper or you scout and get someone in who looks on an upward trend before someone else snaps them up.

 

Not sure about Pope, nor Butland for that matter - but yep, I think scouting is something we should not be ignoring. Same with players, Robertson and Gomez have proved the quality is there - although as Robertson has proved - some of our bellend fans need to check their whinging. 

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I dont quite follow. While i do think we could use improvements in midield too, its been semi adressed already with Keita and im sure we have someone else in mind too regardless of what happens with Can. The two biggest flaws we have/had are easily goalkeeper and central defense.

We have adressed CB. And we will adress goalkeeper. If we had the chance to sign one of the top 4-5 goalkeepers in the world, we should take it. And as long as we can afford it i have no issues with it what so ever. Infact i struggle to see how signing a midfielder would help us more since we loose games because of howlers from Lovren or our trolls in goal.

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Better how? Makes fewer saves per game, claims the ball significantly less successfully, we win fewer points with him, we concede more goals with him... what is it that people think Mignolet is doing better?

 

Saves per game is not a stat to judge keepers by as it takes no account of shots per match, or shot quality faced

 

I've not seen any stats for this season, but previously they have shown that Karius is one of the most passive keepers when it comes to claiming crosses, I think he only comes when he is sure he is going to catch it. Mignolet however is one of the more aggressive ones if memory serves, however he elects to punch the ball the vast majority of times, which would effect his claim success rate. Personally, I would prefer someone who punches a lot over someone who doesn't come at all.

 

And I don't think wowy analysis (with or without you) works here as Karius has generally played against inferior opposition, and has played so few games that any stats have very little significance anyway.

 

Both keepers, I think, have been affected by what happens in front of them, and they are probably both better than the eyes and the stats suggest, but to me, Karius looks like he is not really good at anything other than sweeper keeping and have much more confidence in Mignolet.

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Stats are a waste of time for top keepers imo.  Top keepers in a top club have to have extreme concentration, play more like a sweeper and make that game saving save when called upon.

 

Under Rafa, in the good spell, Reina's stats must have been fairly shit, he barely did a thing when we were at our best but started play and made a big save when required.

 

Our clean sheet stats were immense but that was mostly down to the unit, the defenders didnt do that much at times either

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Whilst our defence needs to improve teams are going to have shots on target ( except Everton ) be nice to have one or two saved occasionally. Top corner like a rocket is the only way a keeper should be beaten at the near post.

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Stats are a waste of time for top keepers imo.  Top keepers in a top club have to have extreme concentration, play more like a sweeper and make that game saving save when called upon.

 

Under Rafa, in the good spell, Reina's stats must have been fairly shit, he barely did a thing when we were at our best but started play and made a big save when required.

 

Our clean sheet stats were immense but that was mostly down to the unit, the defenders didnt do that much at times either

 

 

Moot point but - our defence at corners and dead balls included Hypia, Crouch, Carragher, Riise, Alonso, Gerrard, Torres - i'm sure that helps as well. 

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Saves per game is not a stat to judge keepers by as it takes no account of shots per match, or shot quality faced

 

I've not seen any stats for this season, but previously they have shown that Karius is one of the most passive keepers when it comes to claiming crosses, I think he only comes when he is sure he is going to catch it. Mignolet however is one of the more aggressive ones if memory serves, however he elects to punch the ball the vast majority of times, which would effect his claim success rate. Personally, I would prefer someone who punches a lot over someone who doesn't come at all.

 

And I don't think wowy analysis (with or without you) works here as Karius has generally played against inferior opposition, and has played so few games that any stats have very little significance anyway.

 

Both keepers, I think, have been affected by what happens in front of them, and they are probably both better than the eyes and the stats suggest, but to me, Karius looks like he is not really good at anything other than sweeper keeping and have much more confidence in Mignolet.

 

Il give you " comes out to try and claim"  more,  but he certainly isnt one of the more aggresive.

 

Ive seen more aggression in Mother Teresa...

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I'll use it again as an example. Werder Bremen paid about 2 million for that Czech keeper Jiri Pavlenka, 25yo, 6'5", brave, athletic and dominates his box when called upon. He's been the best keeper in the Bundesliga this season imo, despite playing for a shit team. He's made something like 70 odd saves from the 90 he has faced on target. 2 fucking Million. 

 

Wasn't Karuis the best (or one of the best)  keepers in Bundesliga when we signed him though?

 

I would rather spend big on a position like goalkeeper, they don't often move from club to club like players do and normally if you get a good one they will stay at the club for 7-10 years.

 

If this Allison is the real deal i would spend the money on him. We need a top keeper and no point in taking anymore risks imo

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I would like to see either of our goalkeepers behind a defence that wasn't composed of hapless clowns. Only then can you really judge them.

 

 

I would like to see Karius make a great save regardless. At least once.

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I want Oblak also - but Piston makes a good point - Oblak replaced Courtois and came from Benfica after one good season, same with Alisson, so why are we not looking at other options? Neither of those keepers have been first team starters with big clubs since a young age - it was scouting that found them.

 

But, looking at our team. You could argue the above for all players - and I think we need a keeper more than we need Lemar. 

 

I honestly couldn't tell you how our scouting set up works, if the scouts have their arses on a seat in a stadium or they just trawl the internet for info on said players and game write ups. I suppose with ready made talent at big transfer costs it doesn't really matter that much. But for unearthing that gem of a player before someone else gets in it is essential to mark your target and watch them playing live over a decent period of time under different circumstances, like strength of opponent etc. I'm sure there's quite a few of us could do a better job of scouting when it comes to the latter. 

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I would like to see either of our goalkeepers behind a defence that wasn't composed of hapless clowns. Only then can you really judge them.

 

They might argue that they'd be less likely to be seen as hapless clowns if every single mistake they made didn't result in a goal due to having someone behind them that doesn't actually make saves.

 

I think in TAA, Gomez, Matip, VVD, and Robertson we have five pretty good, or promising, defenders. Lovren and Moreno need binning, but so do Mignolet and Karius.

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Il give you " comes out to try and claim"  more,  but he certainly isnt one of the more aggresive.

 

Ive seen more aggression in Mother Teresa...

 

Data for 2014/15 suggests otherwise, he's roughly top quartile for aggressiveness.

 

Perhaps it has changed over the last season and a bit, I haven't seen any data for it though

 

karius-mignolet.png

 

Taken from here

 

https://outsidersin.wordpress.com/2016/05/29/concerning-karius-cross-claiming-analysis/

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Mkhitaryan will be the most Arsenal signing of all time.

 

Good player and everything, but he's the last thing they need.

 

Mancs style of play under Mourinho has ruined him, reckon he'd shine in an attack minded team like ourselves, City, Arsenal or Spurs. He's a proven goalscorer if played right. 

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