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The Season So Far - by John Brennan


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Sunday, 27th August, 5pm, GMT. A goal down. A man down. A baying crowd. An incandescent fanbase given the transfer dealings (or lack thereof) of the summer. Staring four points out of nine down the barrel. Dar but for the grace of God go Win.

 

A week on and things seem a whole lot brighter as the international break comes around. Ten points out of 12, a 100% home record with six goals scored, a first clean sheet of the season, players coming back from injury, new signings settling in and to top it all off, real competition for places which should keep everyone on their toes.

 

When the fixtures came out, there could have been legitimate grounds for some trepidation – Chelsea and Newcastle away looked difficult on paper and Villa will take points off many teams this season.

 

Add to this seemingly tricky start the fiasco around Caicedo and Lavia and general unease around the Club and I’m sure many Reds would have been happy with seven or eight points from our first 12. To be on 10 out of 12 at this stage is great. And it means we haven’t lost since the 1st of April (no fools us!) in the League. Taking 35 points out of a possible 45.

 

Sunday – against Villa – was very impressive. From back to front, The Reds were utterly dominant. Alisson is imperious and our most important player. Without his saves last week against Newcastle, this could be a very different article.

 

On what was a momentous day for Trent – from West Derby to captaining The Reds – he showed how good he can be in that new role. A Rolls Royce of a footballer. The Virgil-less back four was more than solid. Since his sending off against Newcastle, around 150 minutes of football, we’ve not conceded. He’ll probably come straight back in but I’m not sure he should.

 

It’s from ‘6’ on though that things were really impressive. As much as we were a yard – or more! - off the pace last year, late to the tackle, gasping for breath in the middle of the park, leaving our central defence exposed, today we were everything you associate with a Klopp team. The ‘press’ was back. The hunting in packs was back. The niggle was back. The bite was back.

 

This was evident throughout the team – Matip and Gomez were highly alert, always on the front foot, something Virgil would do well to try. But it was typified by the front six, especially. The midfielders had never started together – you’d never know it. They produced sensational performances: great off the ball in terms of positional awareness and fantastic in terms of their use of the ball. The pedestrianism of much of last year is behind us and there is a new freshness there that should see us continue to progress.

 

The relentlessness of our front three set the stage for everything we did today. It’s full of pace and power and with Trent pulling the strings and Diaz and Salah making the pitch as wide as it’s been for us in a long time, goals are coming aplenty. And there seems to be a bigger spread now, taking the pressure off Mo, hopefully.

 

Look at the goals we’ve scored this season.

 

1 Mo to Diaz; 2 Jota to Diaz; 3 Dom wins pen, Mo; 4, Dom shot saved, Jota; 5 Jota to Darwin; 6 Mo to Darwin; 7 Dom; 8 Darwin for the OG; 9 Darwin to Mo

 

Those five players all heavily involved already and hopefully there is more to come from others, like Gakpo, Mac Allister (when he moves further up the park), Curtis, etc.

 

Liverpool under Klopp version 2.0 was probably forced on us a little bit earlier than we would have expected due to the Saudis’ coming in and upsetting our summer plans. For now at least, it’s working out well.

 

Up The Reds!

 

John Brennan


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Genuinely excited about this squad and where it can potentially take us.

 

Szoboszlai looks to be an inspired signing, the 8 we've needed, Mac Allister looking solid, the whole side is starting to look energised and confident.

 

It's still very early days. but the signs are promising.

 

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Couldn't agree more, the new players are class and these are exciting times. 

 

The next test for our qualities as a team is consistent away wins. We were garbage on the road last year and in our 2 away games so far we have been under the cosh for long periods (with 10 men v Newcastle admittedly).

 

Wolves is the next challenge, a tough away game but one we should expect to win if we are going to be contenders for the top. 

 

Let's see how we perform in these types of away games before we can start to dream 

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13 hours ago, beejay said:

Couldn't agree more, the new players are class and these are exciting times. 

 

The next test for our qualities as a team is consistent away wins. We were garbage on the road last year and in our 2 away games so far we have been under the cosh for long periods (with 10 men v Newcastle admittedly).

 

Wolves is the next challenge, a tough away game but one we should expect to win if we are going to be contenders for the top. 

 

Let's see how we perform in these types of away games before we can start to dream 

 

Yeah this is a good point. Need to see performances like Sunday when we're away to shite. The key to getting top four is minimising the points dropped to the bottom half. The key to winning it is beating them all twice and then holding your own away to the good sides while beating them at home.

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6 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

Yeah this is a good point. Need to see performances like Sunday when we're away to shite. The key to getting top four is minimising the points dropped to the bottom half. The key to winning it is beating them all twice and then holding your own away to the good sides while beating them at home.

The red mancs gained 1 point away from home against last seasons top nine and were in the top 4 comfortably, so this is bang on. 

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Great summary John. In reality Virgil shouldn't go straight back in. As much as the shite love banging on about the Prickford shit, it really has fucked him up.  Time for Joe to show us what he's got.

Hopefully, albeit late we have a top CB lined up for January. We can't rely on Konate either.

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20 hours ago, dave u said:

 

Yeah this is a good point. Need to see performances like Sunday when we're away to shite. The key to getting top four is minimising the points dropped to the bottom half. The key to winning it is beating them all twice and then holding your own away to the good sides while beating them at home.

Yep, Turning around the Forest, Leeds, Bournemouth, Palace x2 and Southampton games gives us an extra 15 points last year, 82 in total. Comfortable top 4 allbeit not a title challenge.

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Not being wise after the event (and genuinely not wishing to sound like a smug cunt) but I still find it hard to believe just how many people were against us jettisoning Hendo and Fab this summer.

 

People seemed reluctant to believe what they were seeing from those two players; abject and risible performances week after week after week after week. It was utterly baffling to me.

 

Fab was an excellent player for us for a long time, but I can never remember any player fall so far and hard so fast. He had to go, he was broken.

 

Hendo was different, he was always bang average, mister 4 or 5 out of 10. Like driving a Ferrari with a broken gear box, he had to go, like treading water with a breeze block tied to your leg.

 

Addition by subtraction has never been truer, and this has been magnified by the excellence this far of Macca and Szobo, Henderson's and Fabinho's replacements.

 

It feels like we're now riow running out free of the incumbrances of recent seasons and things feel fresh and bright, wholly optimistic and joyful.

 

Loving my football again.

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I think the issue for me was - for years - how low the bar was set for what can be regarded as an acceptable Henderson performance.  No other player could have escaped without being called out.  I used to watch games - and rewatch them - and struggle to understand why other people could not see the cowardly football, the panic in possession, the refusal to put a tackle in, the inability to win a 50-50 ball on the ground or in the air.  Not just last season, but over seasons.  The lad was carried for seasons.  

 

But - all of this would have been forgotten about - most were glad he'd fucked off to some backwater - until his moronic cry baby interview the other day.  

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14 minutes ago, stringvest said:

I think the issue for me was - for years - how low the bar was set for what can be regarded as an acceptable Henderson performance.  No other player could have escaped without being called out.  I used to watch games - and rewatch them - and struggle to understand why other people could not see the cowardly football, the panic in possession, the refusal to put a tackle in, the inability to win a 50-50 ball on the ground or in the air.  Not just last season, but over seasons.  The lad was carried for seasons.  

 

But - all of this would have been forgotten about - most were glad he'd fucked off to some backwater - until his moronic cry baby interview the other day.  

 

Blimey, you kept all that quiet.

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15 minutes ago, stringvest said:

I think the issue for me was - for years - how low the bar was set for what can be regarded as an acceptable Henderson performance.  No other player could have escaped without being called out.  I used to watch games - and rewatch them - and struggle to understand why other people could not see the cowardly football, the panic in possession, the refusal to put a tackle in, the inability to win a 50-50 ball on the ground or in the air.  Not just last season, but over seasons.  The lad was carried for seasons.  

 

But - all of this would have been forgotten about - most were glad he'd fucked off to some backwater - until his moronic cry baby interview the other day.  

 

I'd take Fabinho back for Endo in a heartbeat.

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On 07/09/2023 at 21:16, stringvest said:

I think the issue for me was - for years - how low the bar was set for what can be regarded as an acceptable Henderson performance.  No other player could have escaped without being called out.  I used to watch games - and rewatch them - and struggle to understand why other people could not see the cowardly football, the panic in possession, the refusal to put a tackle in, the inability to win a 50-50 ball on the ground or in the air.  Not just last season, but over seasons.  The lad was carried for seasons.  

Blimey - imagine the trophies we'd've won if we'd been playing with 11 players the last six years.

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On 07/09/2023 at 20:23, Carvalho Diablo said:

Not being wise after the event (and genuinely not wishing to sound like a smug cunt) but I still find it hard to believe just how many people were against us jettisoning Hendo and Fab this summer.

 

People seemed reluctant to believe what they were seeing from those two players; abject and risible performances week after week after week after week. It was utterly baffling to me.

 

Fab was an excellent player for us for a long time, but I can never remember any player fall so far and hard so fast. He had to go, he was broken.

 

Hendo was different, he was always bang average, mister 4 or 5 out of 10. Like driving a Ferrari with a broken gear box, he had to go, like treading water with a breeze block tied to your leg.

 

Addition by subtraction has never been truer, and this has been magnified by the excellence this far of Macca and Szobo, Henderson's and Fabinho's replacements.

 

It feels like we're now riow running out free of the incumbrances of recent seasons and things feel fresh and bright, wholly optimistic and joyful.

 

Loving my football again.

You are forgetting the possible shitshow at the back. How can people forgot some of the mind bogglingly bad performances from Gomez over the past few seasons and Matip's poor form last season. We might have improved the midfield but I just hope Alisson continues to be a world beater as he will need to be.

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It would take a spectacularly bad effort to be worse than Fabinho was last season.

 

That wasn't a temporary slump, that was a player in steep and terminal decline.

 

Our midfield is already massively improved by the removal of him and Henderson and there is more to come when players are settled, up to speed and have more understanding etc.

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Slight bit of revisionism on our 'reboot' going on here.

 

Mac Allister and Szloboszlai weren't replacements for Henderson and Fabinho. We already had both before we were aware of any Saudi interest.

 

Effectively, Endo and Gravenberch are their replacements. 

 

I don't think anyone has suggested that we'll miss Henderson given last season's decline, but time will tell on whether we've either adequately replaced Fabinho or evolved to a degree that we don't need that kind of player. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, El Rojo said:

Slight bit of revisionism on our 'reboot' going on here.

 

Mac Allister and Szloboszlai weren't replacements for Henderson and Fabinho. We already had both before we were aware of any Saudi interest.

 

Effectively, Endo and Gravenberch are their replacements. 

 

I don't think anyone has suggested that we'll miss Henderson given last season's decline, but time will tell on whether we've either adequately replaced Fabinho or evolved to a degree that we don't need that kind of player. 

 

 

I don't see revisionism.

 

Hard facts are Henderson and Fabinho were fucking abysmal last season and frankly the biggest culprits for how shite we were.

 

It was often embarrassing watching them get run past and through, failing to win tackles (Fabinho at least tried but usually arrived about half hour too late), getting physically dominated and bullied and making awful passes when they did have the ball - often putting us under massive pressure as a result.

 

The removal of two players with no legs, who couldn't use the ball and who offered fuck all in terms of helping us win the ball when we needed to has already seen us look better and will continue to do so.

 

Not to mention the absence of any sort of creativity or goal threat.

 

I said it at time and is stand by it 100% - the saudis did us a massive favour, a real golden brick dropped in our lap - which meant we offed those 2 and were then able to go and add Endo and Gravenberch on top of Mac Allister and Szoboszlai IMO we should have been bin bagging them anyway, but fortunately the saudis came and we got lucky.

 

I look at the midfield business over summer in totallity as opposed to who has supposedly replaced who....

 

Milner

Henderson

Fabinho

Keita

Oxlade

 

vs

 

Mac Allister

Szoboszlai

Endo

Gravenberch

 

It isn't even remotely close which list is better and which would serve us better over the course of the season in every department.

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10 minutes ago, an tha said:

I don't see revisionism.

 

Hard facts are Henderson and Fabinho were fucking abysmal last season and frankly the biggest culprits for how shite we were.

 

It was often embarrassing watching them get run past and through, failing to win tackles (Fabinho at least tried but usually arrived about half hour too late), getting physically dominated and bullied and making awful passes when they did have the ball - often putting us under massive pressure as a result.

 

The removal of two players with no legs, who couldn't use the ball and who offered fuck all in terms of helping us win the ball when we needed to has already seen us look better and will continue to do so.

 

I said it at time and is stand by it 100% - the saudis did us a massive favour, a real golden brick dropped in our lap - which meant we offed those 2 and were then able to go and add Endo and Gravenberch on top of Mac Allister and Szoboszlai IMO we should have been bin bagging them anyway, but fortunately the saudis came and we got lucky.

 

I look at the midfield business over summer in totallity as opposed to who has supposedly replaced who....

 

Milner

Henderson

Fabinho

Keita

Oxlade

 

vs

 

Mac Allister

Szoboszlai

Endo

Gravenberch

 

It isn't even remotely close which list is better and which would serve us better over the course of the season.


Not sure what points you’re arguing here.
 

Klopp had signed Mac Allister and Szloboszlai before ever he thought he’d be selling Henderson and Fabinho. 
 

He clearly knew we needed to improve in midfield and had already brought in two top class players. He’s not some lucky general who was oblivious to the issues before the Saudis came knocking.

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Not sure what points you’re arguing here.
 

Klopp had signed Mac Allister and Szloboszlai before ever he thought he’d be selling Henderson and Fabinho. 
 

He clearly knew we needed to improve in midfield and had already brought in two top class players. He’s not some lucky general who was oblivious to the issues before the Saudis came knocking.

I just don't agree with your claims of revisionism.

 

Of course everyone knew we needed major surgery in midfield and it was of course underway with the 2 lads we signed and the long overdue leaving of the crocks Keita and Oxlade. Nobody knows what else of course we might have done had the saudis not come and dropped 50m in our laps and taken 400k a week off the wage bill.....but it is probably fair to say the two statues would still be here and IMO we'd be worse for that fact regardless.

 

 

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