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13 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Using that wide a definition the US military are protestors - cuz they do not like what is going on somewhere else. Just protesting. 

Do any of those serving in the military believe they are protesting in another country?

there will be plenty who have served in these ‘illegal’ wars who have believed they are acting justly, in both the best interests of the country being invaded and the US.

the beliefs are in the head of the people committing the actions, do they believe they are justified, it is unarguable that both here and in any of the us led invasions there will be people believing that what they are doing is justified.

14 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:


Thats if you take their justification for action, or protest, which we can not, so they are not protestors, they are actors committing a crime and an irrational act. 

So take a listen to the rant from the woman who was killed in the riot and ask the question, what was she going for? She was going as she had issues with her that she perceived as state failure, she may believe everything that she did was justified. 
Were there agent provocateurs involved who knew what they were up to WRT insurrection etc? Undoubtedly, this does not negate the fact that some of those involved will have believed they were fully justified in their actions.

14 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

This is fucking pointless.

 

If you want to split hairs and play semantics, fine, you do you, but’s in wrong in any way to give this any legitimacy. 

Allowing the idea that protesters were involved does not legitimise the actions of the riot.

does not legitimise the ideas of those who were carrying restraints and whatever ideas they had for using them.

But it does allow room for discussion, to air grievances, state cases and talk (why did the these people flock to Trump? Because he spoke to them, they felt relevant, even when he was calling them fucking hicks)
which is more likely to prevent further riots, than just calling them thick dickheads, who should be able to see the truth.

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9 hours ago, Anubis said:

Similar stuff gets posted every few days. It’s just saddos desperate for attention and pretending they’re in the know. I’m actually beginning to think it might be Walmart’s social media department because they always advise people to stock up on 10-14 days worth of necessities.

It’s the political extension on MatthewBet1 and ATK and the ITK crew.

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22 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Do any of those serving in the military believe they are protesting in another country?

there will be plenty who have served in these ‘illegal’ wars who have believed they are acting justly, in both the best interests of the country being invaded and the US.

the beliefs are in the head of the people committing the actions, do they believe they are justified, it is unarguable that both here and in any of the us led invasions there will be people believing that what they are doing is justified.

So take a listen to the rant from the woman who was killed in the riot and ask the question, what was she going for? She was going as she had issues with her that she perceived as state failure, she may believe everything that she did was justified. 
Were there agent provocateurs involved who knew what they were up to WRT insurrection etc? Undoubtedly, this does not negate the fact that some of those involved will have believed they were fully justified in their actions.

Allowing the idea that protesters were involved does not legitimise the actions of the riot.

does not legitimise the ideas of those who were carrying restraints and whatever ideas they had for using them.

But it does allow room for discussion, to air grievances, state cases and talk (why did the these people flock to Trump? Because he spoke to them, they felt relevant, even when he was calling them fucking hicks)
which is more likely to prevent further riots, than just calling them thick dickheads, who should be able to see the truth.


The points is not why?

 

The point is they did.

 

They attacked democratic institutions based on a demonstrable lie, they have no legitimacy  and should not be spoken of as in any way having any. America is a shit hole for its least well off, but that isn’t what’s being discussed, it’s terrorists/rioters/insurrectionists, no matter what amount of brain washing they’ve been subjected to, they still, through their own volition committed an act of sedition against the state based on demonstrably false claims, they have no right of protest or legitimate claim to grievance based on these.

 

There are not two versions of truth, there is one and one that is based entirely on a lie that has been used to weaponise idiots and the disenfranchised for whatever reason and to accept the second is to legitimate, which we can not.

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4 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

An informed, reasoned citizen does not "get it's fix" from any one source.

Fox, AON or wherever McEnany came from, Alex Jones et al, they do have choices that support the world view they have absorbed. 
some of these sources have been slowly building an alt right universe for over a decade, for the past 4 years the supposed leader of the free world along with various republican political faces have continued to push the message. 
fuck me you have a QAnon elected official.

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8 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

(1)this is their argument also, just from the opposite perspective

 

(2)agreed, but this is a separate issue on whether or not these people are protesters. The fact they are being sold a lie, gives credence to their claims of protest.

(3)The violence may (or may not, depending on how far down the rabbit hole some have gone) be legitimate, but to continue to argue the protests are illegitimate and caused by ignorance is bollocks.

these people are being sold a big lie, they are heavily wrapped in it via their media channels and aided and abetted by elected officials.

(4)This isn’t Area 51 I believe shit, this is coming direct and indirect from the president of the United States.

add in the lack of policing for the capitol compared to BLM and basically a welcome mate from Hawley and co, this all goes to support their belief system.


(5)No by my rationale, they are protesting what they see is a coup by the deep state etc (whoever is the current focus of the QAnon shit) to remove Trump from a legitimate second term. Yes most of the world know this is bollocks, they however have enough references from elected and unelected officials and are so heavily invested in the big lie, that they continue to follow the thread. Even trump’s call to Georgia officials on 02/01 will have strengthened this.


1) ‘Alternative facts’ bullshit.

 

2) It gives less claim as it’s based on demonstrably false information that’s easy to falsify given five minutes of objective thought. If I’m going to run up on parliament I sure as shit would check if I’m right first. This is on them, no matter how much shit they’ve been served, they, through their own volition did this. There are larger powers at play, but the point stands that they physically did this.

 

3) There is no right to violent protest, only violent overthrow, which is it?

 

4) Agreed, it’s abhorrent, but when you’ll twist everything to fit your persecuted conspiracy everything seems like an affront, look how they turned on Pence and the rest of the traitors. They’re not thinking correctly and are dangers to the state.

 

5) This is a significant problem yes, but that’s part of the wider issue. The issue of them committing crimes against the state based on a demonstrably false conspiracy it what’s being discussed and by every objective measure they did.

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8 hours ago, Red Shift said:

The problem with the justice system in the US, from where I’m sitting, is that it is not independent. It is subservient to the political system.

 

 

 


Not the justice system, the wider justice of election victory.

 

I agree their justice system stinks.

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16 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:


The points is not why?

 

The point is they did.

 

They attacked democratic institutions based on a demonstrable lie, they have no legitimacy  and should not be spoken of as in any way having any. America is a shit hole for its least well off, but that isn’t what’s being discussed, it’s terrorists/rioters/insurrectionists, no matter what amount of brain washing they’ve been subjected to, they still, through their own volition committed an act of sedition against the state based on demonstrably false claims, they have no right of protest or legitimate claim to grievance based on these.

 

There are not two versions of truth, there is one and one that is based entirely on a lie that has been used to weaponise idiots and the disenfranchised for whatever reason and to accept the second is to legitimate, which we can not.

Sorry but the last paragraph is bollocks.

the only verifiable truths we have come from the sciences, maths, physics etc and even those are only true until they are proven false.

if you fail to accept any nuance then you commit the same foolish mistake as those on the opposite side of the coin.

this is what has gotten us to where we in the west are today.

no longer is there debate, now it is all black and white, true or false, left or right.

were labour riddled with anti-semites under Corbyn - yes / no

Jeremy Corbyn could

never be prime minister - yes / no

boris Johnson will get us through Brexit - yes / no

 

this shit needs to change, answers are not this simple.

Many more people are far closer on certain issues than others, using an iron curtain to distinguish one from another on single issues means less chance of removing the divisions, which means the spiral down will continue.

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23 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Sorry but the last paragraph is bollocks.

the only verifiable truths we have come from the sciences, maths, physics etc and even those are only true until they are proven false.

if you fail to accept any nuance then you commit the same foolish mistake as those on the opposite side of the coin.

this is what has gotten us to where we in the west are today.

no longer is there debate, now it is all black and white, true or false, left or right.

were labour riddled with anti-semites under Corbyn - yes / no

Jeremy Corbyn could

never be prime minister - yes / no

boris Johnson will get us through Brexit - yes / no

 

this shit needs to change, answers are not this simple.

Many more people are far closer on certain issues than others, using an iron curtain to distinguish one from another on single issues means less chance of removing the divisions, which means the spiral down will continue.


Don’t talk shit with arguments from false equivalence.

 

We have to understand the reason for it, we don’t have to accept it, logically accepting something which holds no truth will not happen

 

You can talk about the wider contextualised nature of it and that’s fascinating, doesn’t stop it being entirely false and based on lies and this can not be allowed to not be part of any conversation, either immediate or wider.

 

Of course I accept there is another idea, another theory, but this one is by any examination demonstrably false and should be treated as such, anything else is legitimation.

 

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GOP Chair of Nye County, Nevada, is a full-on QAnon nut. This is the problem the Republican Party have. At least a third of them are now here.

 

https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

 

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A Letter from the Nye County Chairman

  • January 8, 2021
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Update: some have asked why I didn’t sign my name to this post.  The answer is simple: the intended audience was our rural membership and they all know me.

As I write to you today, I have no doubt that this letter will find many of you crushed under the weight of despair or perhaps lost in a maze of confusion. It is my hope that by the time you finish reading this letter you will be able to confidently join millions of others who support the president and another four years.

Let me be clear: Trump will be president for another four years. Biden will not be president. Yes, I know those are shocking words in these crazy days.

I have been approached by many saying, “It’s over…” and “Trump conceded the election…”. Nothing of the sort has taken place. Go back and listen to the videos all the way through. At no point does Trump even mention Biden’s name. At no point does he say he concedes. He does say that there will be a peaceful transition to a new administration and he does say that this is only the beginning. Those phrases are important to note. Indeed, we will have a new administration made up of a new vice president and cabinet as the current ones have all made their treason complete. I will touch on this in more detail shortly.

We do well to remember that for more than four years Donald Trump has been five steps ahead of everyone in every attempt to derail him, impeach him, or confound him. For example, he announced on election night in the early hours of the morning that he “didn’t want a dump of ballots at 4AM.” What happened in just a few short hours at almost exactly 4AM? A huge ballot dump took place which showed that he already knew that it was going to take place. That was a public word to the enemies of our country that he was on to them. Also, consider the recent incident at the capitol building in DC. Trump was late to his speaking engagement and then spoke on a number of rehashed things to the crowd of 500K+ but this created a problem. You see, if Trump had spoken on time and briefly, the MAGA crowd would have been at the capitol building with the Antifa faction and likely would have been drawn into the fray by accident and confusion due to the crowd size. With Trump speaking late and long, the MAGA crowd was PROTECTED and SEPARATED from the Antifa groups. It would be very clear that the disguised Antifa people were 95%+ of the people in the building. Again, Trump countered because he was steps ahead of them. This was clearly a staged event meant to blame Trump supporters and try to frame Trump so the 25th amendment could be used by Congress but it failed. Nevermind the numerous videos showing the police opening the gates for Antifa (they didn’t fight their way in) and then leading them throughout the building.  

I say all this as only two examples out of many that at no point has our president been in a fight of desperation.  

Now you may ask, “Why hasn’t Trump arrested anyone yet? Why did this have to go all the way to Congress?” Multiple reasons: first, Trump has been adamant in following the rule of law and the Constitution. He gives everyone, no matter how dirty, an opportunity to do the right thing (sometimes with warnings such as the phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State recently). He pushed cases through the courts, he presented evidence to the legislatures, and he even told the vice president to do the right thing. But with the betrayal by Pence and Congress, the treason is now complete and nobody can say that Trump did not allow the process to finish before acting. Second, in order to drain the swamp you have to know who are the swamp creatures. They can blend in very well with the crowds. But the false event in the capitol revealed the final traitors for who they were regardless of party affiliation. Trump flushed them out of hiding.  

I need to take a moment to speak on Pence. With his treason completed, many of you may not know of his dealings and political posturing prior to the infamous day in the capitol. Pence was already wheeling and dealing way back during the 2016 election season with…wait for it….Paul Ryan. Remember Ryan? The RINO speaker of the house? Look at these emails that were recently revealed:

Pence was also involved with a scheme to oust Trump sometime during his first four years that was orchestrated by Rod Rosenstein and supported by the Clintons. The plan: get rid of Trump, become president and then appoint Rod Rosenstein as the new VP. Why would they want that? Because they felt Pence could be controlled. See these links for the 3 part series for more information:

More could be said but I don’t want this letter to become more of a book than it already is. Suffice it to say that when Trump said at the DC rally that he hoped Pence would do the right thing, he already knew what he was going to do but was, yet again, giving the man space to choose to do the right thing.

Now, nobody has been more supportive of Trump than Lin Wood. This man’s career has been fighting defamation lawsuits which means that he doesn’t say things, no matter how outrageous they may seem, without them being true as he knows the consequences of slander. With this in mind, Lin Wood has become a fountain of information and leaks of hitherto unknown information revealing some of the depths of corruption and evil in our highest offices. This is the same man who recently said that arrests are coming over the next few days. He called Pence a traitor well before the counting of the elector votes on the 6th. But did you know that he also said that the president, following the capitol incident, left DC on a “Doomsday” aircraft (used for communications in the event of a nuclear war) with his family and was in Abilene, TX. This aircraft was confirmed by both flight trackers and eyes on the ground. In short, he is a trustworthy source of information. If you have a means to follow Lin Wood on Parler, I would highly recommend that you do so to stay abreast of things taking place.  You can also listen to this podcast: Podcast 

So, what comes next? I don’t have the particulars but I can give you milestones to watch for as the coming days unfold:

  1. Expect the emergency broadcast system to be activated. The FCC just recently released a memorandum speaking to the requirements under Federal law to send messages from the president to the public. See this link
  2. Expect confusion. We are in a battle for our republic against elites that are attempting the very coup that they are accusing Trump of doing. In battle, there will be disinformation but know that plans are being fulfilled.
  3. Expect high profile arrests to take place over the next 12 days and at any time. You may wake one morning to find someone in high office is no longer there.
  4. Expect this to be a bumpy ride to the very end. This is not a television show where things are resolved in 45 minutes.  
  5. Expect more bombshell evidence to be released between now and Jan. 20th.
  6. Expect some sort of internet blackout or outage: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Gmail are likely going to be affected. If you don’t have alternate forms of communication established now, it would be a good idea to start forming them even if it’s just checking on your nextdoor neighbors.  
  7. Expect Trump to be inaugurated on Jan 20th!
  8. Expect the executive order from 2018 and/or the Insurrection Act to be enacted. This DOES NOT mean martial law. Remember that we have been under a state of emergency since 2018 which gives the president many powers to act.

These things may happen out of the order listed and some may happen multiple times. As I have been watching closely, many things have been and are in play as we speak. Remember that Trump has not and will not give up. He actually takes his oath of office to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic very seriously. This is why they are so panicked in DC: they know that Trump will fight while Congress just rolls over.  

I’ve mentioned this before but it bears repeating. None of us would have believed what we all now know except that Trump and his team have painstakingly taken the time to show the public. Want to show what Congress thinks of you? Highlight that the stimulus bill only sent $600 to each American but billions to other countries (payoffs, money laundering). Want to show the extent of collusion with the CCP at all levels of government? Bring multiple lawsuits against the election fraud from the local courts all the way to the Supreme Court which will show just how brazenly treasonous the judges are. Want the public to see how rigged the election system has been for many years? Present the evidence openly as we have seen. Even this week we have sworn testimony out of Italy that the Leonardo defense contractor used satellites to change the votes from our election in the USA from Italy. These Dominion voting machines were actively sending data to Germany, Serbia, China, Iran, and now Rome. This corruption is MUCH bigger than any of us expected but none of us would have believed it until now. This is why things seem to have taken so long. 

Now, the American public is awake and ready to take back their long forgotten responsibilities to hold the elected officials accountable. I have heard from many of you how upset you are with the obvious and willful disregard for the truth and for justice.

As the days unfold, let’s maintain communications among ourselves and try to help our neighbor to understand what is happening. Turn off the television as they have demonstrated they are clearly only falsifying the media to maintain control over your thinking. Do not despair but pray for our country, for Trump and his supporters, and for a national repentance to be stirred nationwide.  

The next 12 days will be something to tell the grandchildren! It’s 1776 all over again!

 

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2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

GOP Chair of Nye County, Nevada, is a full-on QAnon nut. This is the problem the Republican Party have. At least a third of them are now here.

 

https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

 

 


You have to ask about who’s leading who here?

 

Are they ‘really’ in to it, or are they using it to consolidate their position, neither are great, the second is insidious, the first blows my fucking mind.

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The comments section under that letter is something to behold. Contributions from the UK, Germany and Switzerland as well. I’d like to ask McDonnel, Cruz,  Hawley et al the same question from the end of Cabaret - so, do you still think you can control them?

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48 minutes ago, Anubis said:
  1. Expect Trump to be inaugurated on Jan 20th!

..... These things may happen out of the order listed and some may happen multiple times.

 

So, Trump might be inaugurated multiple times!!!

 

Just to be sure, I guess.

 

 

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They’re threatening Amazon drivers because Amazon employees urged the company to cut ties with Parler...

 

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10 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hahahaha fuck me they are Everton fans on acid 

Livarpool lid, watch Sky News - coming out in the next 3 days, Klopp's a lizard.

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