Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The way I see it is ask yourself, you wake up the day after the election, how do you feel if...

 

(1) Labour have won, or...

(2) The Tories have another five years.

 

I'd be fucking suicidal at the latter.

 

2, is not going to happen. Look at the odds, almost impossible for all the highstreet bookies to get it that far wrong. Starmer is 1-6 to be next PM with Paddy Power. Similar the rest. 

 

The only discussion now is what sort of Labour government are we looking forward to.. Its why the serious political analysts are picking over the small print of Reeves speech last night. 

 

Excellent article on the content of her speech and what it could mean in todays Guardian below if your interested. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/20/rachel-reeves-economic-growth-reform-planning-investment

 

 

[Arniepie]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/david-lammy-says-margaret-thatcher-was-a-visionary-370705/

[Section_31]

On 19/03/2024 at 20:11, Section_31 said:

Living in present day Tory Britain and worrying about Labour is like the Elephant Man worrying about a spot.

 

Can't believe Gnasher motherfucking negged me for this.

 

 

[Section_31]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/david-lammy-says-margaret-thatcher-was-a-visionary-370705/

 

He is a helmet though, that's never been disputed by anyone.

 

 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

He is a helmet though, that's never been disputed by anyone.

 

 

 

Yeah he is a bit of a strange one Lammy. 

[Arniepie]

53 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

He is a helmet though, that's never been disputed by anyone.

 

 

Yeah 

He is another bellend who of if he was standing in Walton,I'd probably vote green

[Fugitive]

I reckon Gnasher would have defended the Nazis back in 1938 and said everyone else was corrupt, the fucking melt.

 

What a fucking sausage.

[Strontium]

No, he would have been calling the British warmongers, and demanding a peace deal.

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Fugitive said:

I reckon Gnasher would have defended the Nazis back in 1938 and said everyone else was corrupt, the fucking melt.

 

What a fucking sausage.

 

Struck a nerve aye. Or did you totally hit the wrong thread. If not she's still dead. 

 

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,thatcherism-linked-with-drug-deaths-in-nhs-report_7472.htm

 

 

It'd be futile to ask what you thought of that speech by Reeves. Or Lammys quip. 

 

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, Strontium said:

No, he would have been calling the British warmongers, and demanding a peace deal.

 

 

 

More bollocks. 

 

[Gnasher]

Back on the subject of Starmer (after learning I'd have aided Hitler in World War 2) this has not aged well. As Israel is in the Hague for committing war crimes shouldn't the Labour freinds of Israel organisation be disbanded? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

8 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

2, is not going to happen. Look at the odds, almost impossible for all the highstreet bookies to get it that far wrong. Starmer is 1-6 to be next PM with Paddy Power. Similar the rest. 

 

The only discussion now is what sort of Labour government are we looking forward to.. Its why the serious political analysts are picking over the small print of Reeves speech last night. 

 

Excellent article on the content of her speech and what it could mean in todays Guardian below if your interested. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/20/rachel-reeves-economic-growth-reform-planning-investment

 

 

Let me just remind you that vote leave won, Boris Johnson became PM and Donald Trump the leader of the “free world”

 

Absolutely nothing in politics is a given. Granted it looks highly likely that Labour will win the next election but don’t rule out anything. 
 

As much as I wish he had for human decency’s sake, if Starmer would have come out condemning Israel it would have potentially been catastrophic to Labours chances. 
 

I watched PMQs yesterday and Badenoch was next to Sunak berating Reeves who normally has a little pop back against others. Part of me wondered if she stayed silent because if she’d responded she could have been labelled with something.
 

These Tory cunts will and do find the slightest thing to ram down peoples throats when it comes to the opposition while covering their huge misgivings. Angela Rayner making a few quid on selling a house is now the retort when any financial scandal from a Tory gets brought up for example and got far more media coverage than say Jenrick making him and his mate million with dodgy land dealings. 

 

Starmer and Labour are treading on eggshells in the final stretch. 
 

Im still worried Mourdant is due to be parachuted in and a huge Tory shake up will give them a massive swing and all them red-wall lot will switch back. 

[Gnasher]

19 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Let me just remind you that vote leave won, Boris Johnson became PM and Donald Trump the leader of the “free world”

 

Absolutely nothing in politics is a given. Granted it looks highly likely that Labour will win the next election but don’t rule out anything. 
 

As much as I wish he had for human decency’s sake, if Starmer would have come out condemning Israel it would have potentially been catastrophic to Labours chances. 
 

I watched PMQs yesterday and Badenoch was next to Sunak berating Reeves who normally has a little pop back against others. Part of me wondered if she stayed silent because if she’d responded she could have been labelled with something.
 

These Tory cunts will and do find the slightest thing to ram down peoples throats when it comes to the opposition while covering their huge misgivings. Angela Rayner making a few quid on selling a house is now the retort when any financial scandal from a Tory gets brought up for example and got far more media coverage than say Jenrick making him and his mate million with dodgy land dealings. 

 

Starmer and Labour are treading on eggshells in the final stretch. 
 

Im still worried Mourdant is due to be parachuted in and a huge Tory shake up will give them a massive swing and all them red-wall lot will switch back. 

 

I think it'd take something such a major war to save them now. They are all over the place. A change of leader might help a bit as Sunak is not cutting it at all but I think think the country is done with them. Hopefully for good. 

 

The country imo wants a center left government which is fairer to those on the bottom/middle and will not let our public services decay. So for me it's frustrating that Starmers Labour seem reluctant to offer it. Every speech/announcement seems to move the party to the right. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I think it'd take something such a major war to save them now. A change of leader might help a bit as Sunak is not cutting it at all but I think think the country is done with them. Hopefully for good. 

Yeah I agree but as I said, don’t completely rule anything out. I think they’ve left it too late for that change to have enough impact but these cunts aren’t stupid and remember they have the media in their back pocket. Or their donors do anyway 

[Gnasher]

34 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah I agree but as I said, don’t completely rule anything out. I think they’ve left it too late for that change to have enough impact but these cunts aren’t stupid and remember they have the media in their back pocket. Or their donors do anyway 

 

Hopefully. I've voted Labour all my life, my whole family have voted Labour all their lives. I'd love nothing more than the end or the Tories and a progressive center left Labour government. 

 

What I definitely do not want is anything the slightest teeny bit similar to the Thatcher era. It was not as Reeves said in her speech an era of renewal. It was an era of mass poverty and destitution. The only thing good to happen from that era was it gave birth to some brilliant UK culture that rose up against it. 

[Bjornebye]

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Hopefully. I've voted Labour all my life, my whole family have voted Labour all their lives. I'd love nothing more than the end or the Tories and a progressive center left Labour government. 

 

What I definitely do not want is anything the slightest teeny bit similar to the Thatcher era. It was not as Reeves said in her speech an era of renewal. It was an era of mass poverty and destitution. The only thing good to happen from that era was it gave birth to some brilliant UK culture that rose up against it. 

If it leads to new music like The Jam, The Specials etc then I’m all for it 

[TheSire]

18 hours ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

I'm guessing you were whingeing about the Labour opposition in 97 too, when the Tories had run the country into the ground, and didn't see the point a Labour party that promised to stick to the Tories spending budget and had Mandelson saying how incredibly relaxed he wad about people getting rich.

 

Looking back, do you think Blairs government were no different from the Tories, as so many socialists argued then?

They're only interested in rhetoric.

[Jairzinho]

I'm hoping Anubis isn't included in "they're". Because that would be pretty fucking patronising.

[Section_31]

6 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I'm hoping Anubis isn't included in "they're". Because that would be pretty fucking patronising.

 

There's nobody on here other than Gnasher whose political motivations I'd personally question. I also agree with much of what you and Anubis say.

 

I've simply compartmentalised my views. How I feel about labour's direction is insulated, I've put it away in a drawer, and all I care about right now is removing the tories. It's existential. If the Tories win again, I genuinely believe there'll be northing left of the Britain we grew up in.

 

But when I see people claiming to be from "the left" trying to organise tactical voting against Labour MPs, that blows my mind. Those people are every bit a danger to my future as tory voters, and I have nothing but contempt for their selfishness.

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

There's nobody on here other than Gnasher whose political motivations I'd personally question. I also agree with much of what you and Anubis say.

 

I've simply compartmentalised my views. How I feel about labour's direction is insulated, I've put it away in a drawer, and all I care about right now is removing the tories. It's existential. If the Tories win again, I genuinely believe there'll be northing left of the Britain we grew up in.

 

But when I see people claiming to be from "the left" trying to organise tactical voting against Labour MPs, that blows my mind. Those people are every bit a danger to my future as tory voters, and I have nothing but contempt for their selfishness.

Owen Jones ripped up his membership today with a big piece in the Guardian.

 

I can’t wait for the Big rainbow/green trot party of the UK to come romping home now, any minute.

[Jack the Sipper]

28 minutes ago, TheSire said:

They're only interested in rhetoric.

 

They certainly don't seem to be interested in compromise or reality.

 

There's a lot to be said for taking the best option available, than ending up with the worst because the best isn't on offer. It's adult behaviour. I wasn't overly taken with Corbyn or his front bench, yet I got behind them and voted Labour (and had it out with other Labour voters who couldn't get behind them under Corbyn) because, well, the stone-cold reality is that the next government was going to be them or the Tories, and another five years of them cunts didn't bear thinking about.

 

And now we've all seen the results of those five years. Yet  there's people, on the left, who've convinced themselves that they're both the same (some argue Labour are worse because 'you know where you stand with the Tories'), and campaigning to vote for a hung parliament! Leaving aside the impossibility of doing that, what kind of cunt who claims to care about the poor, the disadvantaged, the downtrodden, would turn down the once in a lifetime opportunity to drive a big fucking stake through the heart of the Conservative Party? Yet, here we are.

 

[Jairzinho]

15 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

There's nobody on here other than Gnasher whose political motivations I'd personally question. I also agree with much of what you and Anubis say.

 

I've simply compartmentalised my views. How I feel about labour's direction is insulated, I've put it away in a drawer, and all I care about right now is removing the tories. It's existential. If the Tories win again, I genuinely believe there'll be northing left of the Britain we grew up in.

 

But when I see people claiming to be from "the left" trying to organise tactical voting against Labour MPs, that blows my mind. Those people are every bit a danger to my future as tory voters, and I have nothing but contempt for their selfishness.

 

I think we share pretty similar views. Where we possibly differ is that I believe the degree of drift to the right for Labour is simply unnecessary. There are policy areas where they are long way to the right of the general public, even taking into account a month of pre election Murdoch cuntery. And my fear is that it isn't out of pragmatism, it's out of actual ideological position. That we're going to waste a term of Labour government.

 

However, like you, the country has become so utterly, utterly fucking shit that I would probably rejoice in the relative normality of John Major's government for a few years. Such has the bar been lowered.

 

As for the Twitter people, I simply don't give a fuck. These are basement dwelling nonces, on the right and the left. A complete fucking irrelevance. They don't represent anything, and certainly don't have the power to do anything.

[Section_31]

7 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Owen Jones ripped up his membership today with a big piece in the Guardian.

 

I can’t wait for the Big rainbow/green trot party of the UK to come romping home now, any minute.

 

I saw that. I'm amazed he was still a member, he was urging people to 'confront starmer in the street' about 18 months back, so his views haven't changed. 

[Jairzinho]

8 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Owen Jones ripped up his membership today with a big piece in the Guardian.

 

 

[Gnasher]

13 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

There's nobody on here other than Gnasher whose political motivations I'd personally question. I also agree with much of what you and Anubis say.

 

I've simply compartmentalised my views. How I feel about labour's direction is insulated, I've put it away in a drawer, and all I care about right now is removing the tories. It's existential. If the Tories win again, I genuinely believe there'll be northing left of the Britain we grew up in.

 

But when I see people claiming to be from "the left" trying to organise tactical voting against Labour MPs, that blows my mind. Those people are every bit a danger to my future as tory voters, and I have nothing but contempt for their selfishness.

 

You may have put your views on Labour's direction "away in a drawer"  but others might want to discuss it as they find it important, especially after a major speech like the one Reeves delivered the other night.