Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Pureblood]

Would you change your vote?  

[Anny Road]

No my views have not changed and if you could see what the EU would look like, if it still exists, in 10 years, with Turkey banging on the door. I’ll be of the same opinion.

[Pureblood]

No my views have not changed and if you could see what the EU would look like, if it still exists, in 10 years, with Turkey banging on the door. I’ll be of the same opinion.

 

So even though the government is steaming ahead with a version of Brexit you don't want you would still vote the same?  It doesn't make any sense.

 

What needs to happen for you to admit that this is a terrible mistake?

[Anny Road]

A change of government is imminent.

[cloggypop]

Turkey were hardly banging on the door before Erdogan decided to become dictatorial.

[Pureblood]

A change of government is imminent.

 

A change of approach is not and time is ticking fast.

[Moctezuma]

So even though the government is steaming ahead with a version of Brexit you don't want you would still vote the same?  It doesn't make any sense.

 

What needs to happen for you to admit that this is a terrible mistake?

 

Of course it makes no sense, but people hate to admit that they are wrong so we're not going to get anywhere, they'll still be fucking squealing about how they weren't given the right information or how the E. U. is undemocratic when they are being loaded onto their buses at 3:30 in the morning to work a 14 hour a day unsecured minimum wage job in London cleaning the 0.1%'s houses or delivering take-aways, while watching their shipped in Bangladeshi co-workers being fertility tested by G4S every month so they can't have 'citizens rights'. Plus they'll groan when paying directly for their health insurance and kids school fees, while paying £20 for a tangerine, haha.

 

A few weeks after the vote I had a right go at some SWP twerp who was giving it the big one about leaving the E.U., I wonder what socialist utopia Corbyn and co. will be able to come up with in 2022 when we're an economic basket case who have had to take back all the old fucking racist cunts from Spain, with our privatised health service and deteriorating schools.

 

Fuck it I'm losing it here, just need to vent, this country is so packed full of fucking idiots who have no comprehension of our history and politics, let alone international standing, trade and diplomacy. Just a pity a nice chunk of them are in my family and their friends.

 

Fuck the old, fuck their incomprehension that domestic policy does not equal that of the E.U., Fuck the racist bams who have never even seen someone from eastern Europe, Fuck the lexit bawbags with not an ounce of pragmatism in their bones, Fuck the stupid middle class twats with their bizarre jingoistic warped view of the world, Fuck the Tory Brexiteers trying to turn us into an even more low wage economy hellhole, Fuck our propagandist press with their endless fucking lies, Fuck all the tax avoid offshore dicks trying to benefit from this, Fuck Gove, Fuck Fox, Fuck Farage, Fuck Davis, Fuck May, Fuck Redwood, Fuck Dyson, Fuck Trump, Fuck Tim Martin, Fuck Aaron Banks, oh and Fuck Gisela Stewart, Fuck Frank Field, Fuck Kate Hoey for giving a gossamer patina of respectability to the fucking right wing headcases.

 

You know they say society moves forward one coffin at a time, well it can't come soon enough for a heap of the fannybaws.

 

Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhh fucking cunts!

 

 

 

 

Ok, anger subsided... I hope everything turns out well and the government is destabilised enough that there is a election soon and Labour can come in and then peddle a softer version of Brexit (with a transition period). Even the Business community could get on board with that, which may in turn allow for them to be given an easier ride when implementing significant policies that will result in a more equal society, with greater spending nationally on infrastructure, which would benefit us all. Ok we'd have no say in European legislation, but that may be no bad thing given that our governments and our European representatives have often been the driver/influence behind the worst aspects of decision making in Brussels.

[Moctezuma]

Pity it's on te wanky guardian like

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Anna Soubry blames death threats on 'mutineers' headline

 

Ex-Tory minister Anna Soubry says her office has received 13 death threats since a newspaper front page named her as one of 15 "Brexit mutineers".

The pro-EU Remain supporter said the police took the threats seriously and had passed two cases to prosecutors.

She said she had been "really quite frightened" and blamed the threats on Wednesday's Daily Telegraph front page.

The paper's editor defended what he called "the legitimate actions and language of a free press".

The story concerned Conservative MPs planning to rebel against the government's bid to enshrine the precise date of Brexit in law.

Speaking on Broadcasting House on BBC Radio 4, Ms Soubry said her office had told her of the 13 death threats.

"That's just astonishing, isn't it?" she said.

"The police take it seriously - it's not nice, it's not acceptable and it's not necessary."

Ms Soubry had previously described the headline as a "blatant piece of bullying".

The threats had included "references to what happens to mutineers", she told the BBC, adding: "A number of tweets have said we should be hung."

She added: "If the Telegraph had not printed that headline those death threats would not have come through - that is a fact."

The government lost its majority at the general election and risks defeat when the Commons votes next month on the Brexit date issue.

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Chancellor Philip Hammond said the government would not be withdrawing its plans to press ahead with the move, adding that Parliament was "quite rightly" debating the proposals as part of the EU (Withdrawal) Bill.

'Absurd and shrill'

The BBC has contacted the Daily Telegraph for a formal response.

But in a tweet to Broadcasting House presenter Paddy O'Connell, editor Chris Evans said: "I'd urge you to distinguish between the legitimate actions and language of a free press and the illegitimate actions and language of those who make threats of violence."

He also referred to a leader article in Saturday's paper defending the headline, which it says was intended to be "arresting" and to show "that there are still forces at work seeking to stop Brexit happening".

It added: "The individuals may disagree with that observation, but we were entitled to make it and we will see during the course of the next year whether there is any merit in it.

"But the accusations of bullying are absurd and shrill."

The article also pointed out that Ms Soubry had described her inclusion in the front page as a "badge of honour".

The Telegraph's front page echoed that of the Daily Mail when it singled out three judges - labelling them "Enemies of the people" - after the High Court ruled that MPs must have a say on triggering Article 50.

The Daily Mail's piece attracted hundreds of complaints to watchdog the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

 

 

[magicrat]

Anna Soubry blames death threats on 'mutineers' headline

 

Ex-Tory minister Anna Soubry says her office has received 13 death threats since a newspaper front page named her as one of 15 "Brexit mutineers".

The pro-EU Remain supporter said the police took the threats seriously and had passed two cases to prosecutors.

She said she had been "really quite frightened" and blamed the threats on Wednesday's Daily Telegraph front page.

The paper's editor defended what he called "the legitimate actions and language of a free press".

The story concerned Conservative MPs planning to rebel against the government's bid to enshrine the precise date of Brexit in law.

Speaking on Broadcasting House on BBC Radio 4, Ms Soubry said her office had told her of the 13 death threats.

"That's just astonishing, isn't it?" she said.

"The police take it seriously - it's not nice, it's not acceptable and it's not necessary."

Ms Soubry had previously described the headline as a "blatant piece of bullying".

The threats had included "references to what happens to mutineers", she told the BBC, adding: "A number of tweets have said we should be hung."

She added: "If the Telegraph had not printed that headline those death threats would not have come through - that is a fact."

The government lost its majority at the general election and risks defeat when the Commons votes next month on the Brexit date issue.

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Chancellor Philip Hammond said the government would not be withdrawing its plans to press ahead with the move, adding that Parliament was "quite rightly" debating the proposals as part of the EU (Withdrawal) Bill.

'Absurd and shrill'

The BBC has contacted the Daily Telegraph for a formal response.

But in a tweet to Broadcasting House presenter Paddy O'Connell, editor Chris Evans said: "I'd urge you to distinguish between the legitimate actions and language of a free press and the illegitimate actions and language of those who make threats of violence."

He also referred to a leader article in Saturday's paper defending the headline, which it says was intended to be "arresting" and to show "that there are still forces at work seeking to stop Brexit happening".

It added: "The individuals may disagree with that observation, but we were entitled to make it and we will see during the course of the next year whether there is any merit in it.

"But the accusations of bullying are absurd and shrill."

The article also pointed out that Ms Soubry had described her inclusion in the front page as a "badge of honour".

The Telegraph's front page echoed that of the Daily Mail when it singled out three judges - labelling them "Enemies of the people" - after the High Court ruled that MPs must have a say on triggering Article 50.

The Daily Mail's piece attracted hundreds of complaints to watchdog the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

 

 

 

 

 

[Moctezuma]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-800-worse-off-households-food-poverty-inflation-a8064286.html

 

Households are more than £800 a year worse off as a result of Brexit-induced inflation, a new study has found.

A report by the Centre for Economic Performance has revealed that the average household is paying £404 a year extra due to price inflation.

At the same time the average worker has lost £448, the equivalent of one week’s pay, due to a stagnation in wage growth.

Dr Thomas Sampson, who co-authored the research, said: “Even before Brexit occurs, the increase in inflation caused by the Leave vote has already hurt UK households.

“Our results provide compelling evidence that, so far, UK households are paying an economic price for voting to leave the EU.”

Dr Sampson’s research suggests Scotland, Wales and especially Northern Ireland have been worst hit by the rise in inflation but the effect has been less pronounced in Remain-voting London.

According to the report, the largest inflationary effects have been on products which are typically imported from overseas.

These include bread and cereals, milk, cheese and eggs; coffee, tea and cocoa; beer and wine; furniture and furnishings; and jewellery, clocks and watches.

The rise in food prices has prompted concerns that the “five-a-day” recommendation is becoming increasingly out of reach for millions of the lowest paid Britons.

The Food Foundation, a think tank fighting against nutritional inequality, released a report earlier this year which claimed that in a no-deal Brexit scenario price rises would mean the poorest 10 per cent of the population could spend half of their entire food and drink budget to meet current Government guidance for fruit and veg.

The report goes on to identify 16 of our 50 favourite fruit and veg which could be grown more in the UK, meaning less reliance on imports and more competitive prices.

Anna Taylor, executive director of the Food Foundation, said: “The Government faces a clear choice to boost British harvests of fruit and veg or the NHS will reap the consequences.”

She added: “It is absolutely crucial that the Government grabs the bull by the horns before the Brexit boat sails.”

[skend04]

Barnier confirms the London's passport rights for Euro clearance are going. Financial crisis part 2 here we come.

[Strontium]

All those people who insist we'd be better off without The City will now get to see their hypothesis tested in a real-world setting.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Hope the move is like the crimson permanent assurance.

[Kidder Bukowski]

What the fuck are you talking about, shit-for-brains?

 

Google is no substitute for actual knowledge. Though I can well believe you are above using Google, as it's patently clear you don't do even the most cursory level of research.

 

I'll let you into a little secret - I also read books. Maybe you can criticise me for learning things from them too.

 

What is it with people wearing ignorance as a badge of honour on this forum?

Listen you fucking big tart, You may well read books but what you don't do is take anything valuable from them. I would put my mortgage on myself having read more books than you but do you know what? A lifetimes reading has left me a better, more humane person where it would appear to have left you bereft of any qualities apart from being an auld contrarian.

 

How can a professed liberal defend (the indefensible) actions of the Tory party? You seem to like calling anyone who disagrees with you thick but while intelligence is hard to quantify your posts suggest a desperation for praise. Not for one minute do I believe that you believe half the shite you post!

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Brexit: Electoral Commission reopens probe into Vote Leave

 

The Electoral Commission has re-opened an investigation into Vote Leave's EU referendum spending.

The campaign paid £625,000 to clear bills allegedly run up by university student Darren Grimes with a digital agency days ahead of last June's vote.

A separate group, Veterans for Britain, received £100,000 from Vote Leave.

The campaign denies attempting to get round spending limits - the Electoral Commission initially accepted this but now says it has new information.

Mr Grimes, at the time a fashion student at the University of Brighton, set up a group called BeLeave, to give young pro-Brexit campaigners a voice during last year's referendum.

As a registered campaigner, he was allowed to spend up to £700,000. He initially spent very little but in the 10 days leading up to the 23 June vote he ran up a £675,315 bill with Aggregate IQ Data, a Canadian marketing firm that specialises in political campaigns.

Obscure group

Money to clear the bill was not given to Mr Grimes but sent directly to Aggregate IQ by Vote Leave, which separately spent £2.7m with the same firm, more than a third of its £6.8m budget.

Mr Grimes also received £50,000 from an individual Vote Leave donor in the final 10 days, making the previously obscure campaigner's group one of the best-funded at the referendum.

Vote Leave Campaign director Dominic Cummings was quoted on Aggregate IQ's website as saying "we couldn't have done it without them".

In total, AIQ was given £3.5m by groups campaigning for Brexit, including Vote Leave, the Democratic Unionist Party and Veterans for Britain.

Vote Leave would have gone over its campaign spending limit if it had spent the money it donated on behalf of Mr Grimes itself.

The campaign group said it made the donation to Mr Grimes because it was coming up to its £7m spending limit and wanted a way of using £9.2m it had raised from individuals and companies on campaigning activities.

The Electoral Commission said in March this was an "acceptable method of donating under the rules" and after a "detailed look" at the case it did not find reasonable grounds to suspect an offence had been committed.

'Extraordinary'

The new probe will look at whether the spending returns delivered by Mr Grimes, Veterans for Britain and Vote Leave were correct - and whether or not Vote Leave exceeded its spending limit.

A group of campaigning lawyers, The Good Law Project, has threatened the commission with legal action over its original decision to drop the investigation, claiming the watchdog was not doing its job properly.

Jo Maugham QC, of the Good Law project, said: "We are 18 months after the referendum vote. It is extraordinary that only now is the Electoral Commission taking a serious look at whether the rules were complied with. And only in response to legal action."

Matthew Elliott, who was Vote Leave's chief executive, was not available for comment.

Bob Posner, the Electoral Commission's director of political finance and regulation, said: "There is significant public interest in being satisfied that the facts are known about Vote Leave's spending on the campaign, particularly as it was a lead campaigner with a greater spending limit than any other campaigners on the 'leave' side.

"Legitimate questions over the funding provided to campaigners risks causing harm to voters' confidence in the referendum and it is therefore right that we investigate."

In April, the Electoral Commission launched a separate investigation into spending during the referendum by Leave.EU, the campaign backed by then-UKIP leader Nigel Farage and donor Arron Banks.

It is also investigating spending by the anti-Brexit campaign Britain Stronger in Europe.

[Gnasher]

There was never the remotest possibility that the fantasies of "Lexit" could be realised. The Leave vote was always a vote to consolidate more power into the hands of the Tory Government, while giving a boost to the right wing of their party and to parties of the far right.

Remain and reform was always the best option for progressives and Socialists.

Sorry but your last sentence is utter twaddle. Progressive socialists? Like who? Mandelson and Blair?

 

It's not that long ago (before the labour party was taken over by your 'progressive socialists that it was in the party manifesto that we would pull out in the next parliament.

 

What do you think progressive socialists make of the eu ttip privatization bullshit? You think the social progressive people who faught for and created our nhs would have welcomed the eu proposals?

[Gnasher]

All those people who insist we'd be better off without The City will now get to see their hypothesis tested in a real-world setting.

 

Do you insist on being an insufferable cunt on purpose?

 

As you well know through the austerity the lid/con government inflicted on us this past decade that we need no reminders off the likes of you what a banking collapse falls like.

 

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/163850bn-official-cost-of-the-bank-bailout-1833830.html

[cloggypop]

London's loss of the EMA is Amsterdam's gain then.

[skend04]

London's loss of the EMA is Amsterdam's gain then.

You forgot to add the EBA too along with our seat on the ICJ. We seem to be doing a lot of losing under the Tories recently.

[Rico1304]

TLabour Remain MPs livid that Labour frontbench whipped MPs to vote with government on amendment to Customs Bill that would have kept open option of UK remaining in EU single market and customs union

[skend04]

TLabour Remain MPs livid that Labour frontbench whipped MPs to vote with government on amendment to Customs Bill that would have kept open option of UK remaining in EU single market and customs union

I've never known such a period of political pygmies running the country. Logistics companies are crying out that it's impossible to set up a proper customs system in the timescales talked about yet there go the MPs doing their best to resemble the 3 monkeys.

[Anubis]

1. It was a one line whip - advisory only but feel free to vote how you like;

 

2. The right of the LP were so upset by it that only 28 of them turned out to vote;

 

3. An explanation of why from Barry Gardiner.

 

 

 

4. It's a cult!

[Boss]

TLabour Remain MPs livid that Labour frontbench whipped MPs to vote with government on amendment to Customs Bill that would have kept open option of UK remaining in EU single market and customs union

 

Propaganda driven nonsense.

[Strontium]

TLabour Remain MPs livid that Labour frontbench whipped MPs to vote with government on amendment to Customs Bill that would have kept open option of UK remaining in EU single market and customs union

Not a surprise, at the end of the day, despite the 'Tory' rhetoric against his predecessors, Corbyn has voted with the Tories in Parliament more than Blair etc ever did.