Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Anubis]

Scumlit uplan…. …sorry, sunlit uplands.

 

 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Captain Willard said:

So do I. If this photo had been more widely available, the remain vote would have won by a landslide. 

You'd have had mine for one.

[Gnasher]

Where do I know this fella?

 

 

Face facts; the EU is full of rabid right wingers,

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

Barnier going for the 'low intelligence, low engagement' demographic in a bid to save his doomed run for the presidancy.

 

C'est pathétique.

 

 

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Barnier going for the 'low intelligence, low engagement' demographic in a bid to save his doomed run for the presidancy.

 

C'est pathétique.

 

 

Ahh the old point the finger at the public line. Barnier has totally changed his philosophy now he's left his comfy EU perch and has had to actually go out and meet the French voters, unfortunately for him the people can see right through his bullshit and will judge him on his record within the EU and for what he is now, a right wing EU hypocrite. 

 

Barnier has about as much chance of becoming French president as you.

[skend04]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/customers-face-permanent-food-shortages-warns-industry-leader/ar-AAOivUk?ocid=hwminus&appid=hwbrowser&ctype=news

 

Everyone getting pay rises but we don't need them as we'll not have much to spend it on.

 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just dandy...

 

All of this is a positive right?

 

'Britain’s trade with the EU fell sharply in July, with Brexit and the global pandemic driving exports £1.7bn lower than in July 2018 and imports falling by £3bn, according to official data.

 

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the fall was largely driven by declines in medicinal and pharmaceutical products, which have been particularly hit by the need for separate regulatory approval post Brexit.

 

Experts said the latest ONS figures could be a sign that the UK is losing its overall competitiveness.

 

Compared with 2018, which the ONS describes as the most recent “stable” period in UK trade, the change in trading levels is stark.

 

In July, total exports of goods, excluding precious metals, fell by £300m because of a £900m (6.5%) fall in exports to the EU, the ONS said.

 

At the same time, exports to non-EU countries increased by £700m, not enough to compensate for the overall fall.

 

Ana Boata, the head of macroeconomic research at the trade credit insurer Euler Hermes, said: “UK exporters are losing their competitive advantage.”

 

She also cited the decline in financial services, which were not covered by the Brexit trade deal, as a contributing factor.

 

“Since its peak in 2017, financial services – the UK’s biggest exporting sector – has steadily lost its market share.

 

“The UK is the only one of the 10 biggest countries to see this happen, with Brexit exacerbating the decline.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/10/uk-trade-with-eu-falls-as-brexit-and-covid-drive-down-exports

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 09/09/2021 at 09:46, Gnasher said:

 

Another thing the report shows is that lovely warm EU blanket that was supposed to save us from all the bad guys was as useful as a chocolate teapot. 

It doesn't show that at all.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

HGV drivers to be less qualified and to work longer hours.

 

What could possibly go wrong.

https://news.sky.com/story/hgv-driving-tests-to-be-relaxed-to-help-lorry-driver-shortages-ahead-of-christmas-12404161?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&s=09

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Where do I know this fella?

 

 

Face facts; the EU is full of rabid right wingers,

 

 

Really? Thank God we've distanced ourselves from those pesky right-wingers and got a Government that sends warships after desperate asylum seekers.

[Rico1304]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Ahh the old point the finger at the public line. 

Eh?

You're calling Barnier a rabid right-winger for espousing those policies, but you think it's wrong to speak ill of the people those policies appeal to?

[Rico1304]

Here’s the detail on the relaxed rules on HGV tests.  
 

https://twitter.com/ianmaher7/status/1436446788702150667?s=21

 

And GDPR

 

 

 

[Captain Howdy]

This argument really does have a fiddling while Rome Burns feel to it. Johnson to raise community change now for…ahem “social care, as if it isn’t monstrously high enough already.  People living pay check to pay check ( i.e the vast majority ) are going to be utterly impoverished from this COVID fallout. Europe really is going to be a side show of irrelevance. 

[Gnasher]

8 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Eh?

You're calling Barnier a rabid right-winger for espousing those policies, but you think it's wrong to speak ill of the people those policies appeal to?

 You still can't bring yourself to bestow constructive criticism on any of Europe's elite can you're  suffering from a mild bout of Stockholm syndrome, unfortunately for Barnier and Co the people of France are not and are rejecting out of hand the mans  muddled far right policies and his hypocritical bullshit. 

 

France already has plenty of semi fascist party's and politicians it dosnt need another need another cunt, like his EU policy of stake em high sell em low he's finding the markets full. Look at the popularity of le Penn, unfortunately same in Italy, have you ever considered why the right have gained so much support throughout Europe? its partly because of political charlatans like Barnier and Co. Barnier has spent decades expanding Europe and flooding the workmarket with cheap and ready labour, how's Hungary going? Mass immigration hurts the poor and other immigrants not because racists in France, Britain and Italy say so but because the official figures tell us so, the data tells us so, it results in wage suppression  giving the right fertile breeding ground, you really want me to post the link again showing the effects on low paid and the poor? 

 

 Barnier knows it, the very first day he had to look a voter in the eye he changes his whole political philosophy, oh come on Angry good on the French for not falling for his bullshit, he's nothing but a charlatan. 

 

Let's have a quick clance at Barniers record and try to work out why he's really bombing in the French polls and recieving the cold shoulder from French votersP.

 

Eu backing of austerity, disastrous..

 

Eu action on climate change.. Pathetic.

 

Eu action on the only socialist country in Europe, Greece (democratically elected) in their hour of need... Unforgivable.

 

Massive rise in Eu inequality..

Predictable.

 

Massive rise in European unemployment, in the 18-24 age group it went beyond 20%..

Scandalous.

 

Eu expansion into the east and baltic states... Dangerous.

 

The upper echelons of the EU are chocked full of entitled, rich capitalists so it shouldn't be a suprise when they embark down the road that rich entitled capitalists tend to take.

Maybe it's not the voter that needs to feel criticism, it's them. You and the majority of this forum may like em Angry, well i don't, and I make no apology for it.

[Arniepie]

Back in 1990 the gmnt launched an unpopular tax and 1000s took to the streets.

In 2021 this shower of cunts have done untold damage and there is barely a voice of dissent.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 You still can't bring yourself to bestow constructive criticism on any of Europe's elite can you're  suffering from a mild bout of Stockholm syndrome, 

When a post starts as dishonestly and  nonsensically as this, it's not going to be worth reading.

 

Of course, I didn't really think you'd explain the obvious contradictions in your posts, but hey ho.

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

When a post starts as dishonestly and  nonsensically as this, it's not going to be worth reading.

 

Of course, I didn't really think you'd explain the obvious contradictions in your posts, but hey ho.

OK since I've posted the link proving Barnier to be a complete hypocrite show me one small scram of criticism of Barnier on this forum, in contact their are at least two posts pointing a finger at the French public. Make of them facts what you will.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

28 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

OK since I've posted the link proving Barnier to be a complete hypocrite show me one small scram of criticism of Barnier on this forum, in contact their are at least two posts pointing a finger at the French public. Make of them facts what you will.

Show me any support for Barnier.

[Gnasher]

35 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Show me any support for Barnier.

 I didn't say their was did I? I said  "their has been not one scram of criticism of Barnie" and its true, although their has been some surreal criticism of the French public, who, let's not forget, are rejecting Barniers dog whistling. 

 

Criticism of the EU on this forum is a no no, imagine if a high profile British political figure had turned on a sixpence and said the nonsense Barnier now spouts? Imagine if Ed Davey or even Ed Millband changed tack like Barnier?

They'd be fucking slaughtered on here, and deservedly so, and whilst we're at it what Vonn der Leyen has achieved to be granted a free critics pass is beyond me.

[Moo]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 I didn't say their was did I? I said  "their has been not one scram of criticism of Barnie" and its true, although their has been some surreal criticism of the French public, who, let's not forget, are rejecting Barniers dog whistling. 

 

Criticism of the EU on this forum is a no no, imagine if a high profile British political figure had turned on a sixpence and said the nonsense Barnier now spouts? Imagine if Ed Davey or even Ed Millband changed tack like Barnier?

They'd be fucking slaughtered on here, and deservedly so, and whilst we're at it what Vonn der Leyen has achieved to grant a free critics pass is beyond me.

Seriously, you're trolling aren't you?

 

People don't give a shit about the EU and it's leaders or whatever they are.  The give a shit about being out of it's [limited and not perfect] protections against the fascist, right wing coup going on inside our own borders.

[Gnasher]

21 minutes ago, Moo said:

Seriously, you're trolling aren't you?

 

People don't give a shit about the EU and it's leaders or whatever they are.  The give a shit about being out of it's (limited) protections against the fascist, right wing coup going on inside our own borders.

Im not trolling at all, I posted a link to Michel Barnier, the person who has been on every TV screen throughout Europe and especially Britain for the past two years. OK with you? It is after all the EU thread.

 

 

I think you'll find a lot of people give a shit about the EU, maybe not so much its leaders and that's lucky for the leaders. 

 

As for your last point about the right wing takeover, I'm capable of throwing hate in two different directions to two different sets of politicians at the same time thanks. Edit: also their are other threads on here for that.

[Barrington Womble]

I wonder when people will start to realise just how hard our economy is trailing behind our rivals. It's getting brushed under the carpet as some type of covid thing, like covid didn't impact us all. 

 

GDP annualised growth

USA +4.3%

Japan +11.9%

China +6.5%

Germany +0.7%

Eurozone Agg -0.6%

UK -7.3%

[Mudface]

5 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I wonder when people will start to realise just how hard our economy is trailing behind our rivals. It's getting brushed under the carpet as some type of covid thing, like covid didn't impact us all. 

 

GDP annualised growth

USA +4.3%

Japan +11.9%

China +6.5%

Germany +0.7%

Eurozone Agg -0.6%

UK -7.3%

I'm still waiting for all the scare stories about us turning into Greece and endless articles about the deficit and the need to keep our AAA rating (although that's obviously long gone, and when it went suddenly it wasn't important any more). It's almost as though it was bullshit and lies as a cover to introduce unpalatable cuts, and that public spending during financial difficulties is actually a good idea to keep the economy afloat.

[Arniepie]

22 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I wonder when people will start to realise just how hard our economy is trailing behind our rivals. It's getting brushed under the carpet as some type of covid thing, like covid didn't impact us all. 

 

GDP annualised growth

USA +4.3%

Japan +11.9%

China +6.5%

Germany +0.7%

Eurozone Agg -0.6%

UK -7.3%

We have literally got empty shelves and there is barely a murmer.

Apparently food shortages are now some sort of bonus.

A big chunk of this country are in denial and I'm not sure when the penny is going to drop.