Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[cloggypop]

There is no real sign that Britain is approaching trade talks with the European Union with a plan to succeed and it appears set to blame any post-Brexit fallout on the economic shock from COVID-19, the EU’s trade chief said on Thursday.

The tortuous talks, now focused on setting new trading terms from 2021 when London’s status-quo transition period after Brexit ends, quickly hit an impasse when they resumed last month, according to EU diplomats and officials.

“Despite the urgency and enormity of the negotiating challenge, I am afraid we are only making very slow progress in the Brexit negotiations,” European Trade Commissioner Phil Hogan told Irish national broadcaster RTE.

 

“There is no real sign that our British friends are approaching the negotiations with a plan to succeed. I hope I am wrong, but I don’t think so,” he said.

“I think that the United Kingdom politicians and government have certainly decided that COVID is going to be blamed for all the fallout from Brexit and my perception of it is they don’t want to drag the negotiations out into 2021 because they can effectively blame COVID for everything.”

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-eu-idUKKBN22J1L9

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Tory neoliberal fundamentalists are going to force the TTIP-on-steds Trade Bill through Parliament, while everyone's attention is elsewhere.

 

https://labourlist.org/2020/05/the-tory-trade-bill-threatens-parliamentary-sovereignty/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Rushies tash]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Tory neoliberal fundamentalists are going to force the TTIP-on-steds Trade Bill through Parliament, while everyone's attention is elsewhere.

 

https://labourlist.org/2020/05/the-tory-trade-bill-threatens-parliamentary-sovereignty/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

Barry Gardiner is brilliant and it's outrageous that Starmer didn't feel the need to keep him in the cabinet.

[Megadrive Man]

9 hours ago, Rushies tash said:

Barry Gardiner is brilliant and it's outrageous that Starmer didn't feel the need to keep him in the cabinet.

I really wish Gardiner had stood for leader in place of Long-Bailey, think he would have had a much better chance.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Good to see BBC News tonight highlighting some of the times Boris Johnson insisted that there wouldn't be any sort of customs checks between Britain and Northern Ireland, before concluding that Johnson must have been "confused" or lying.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Good to see BBC News tonight highlighting some of the times Boris Johnson insisted that there wouldn't be any sort of customs checks between Britain and Northern Ireland, before concluding that Johnson must have been "confused" or lying.

Even the daily heil have let piers morgan put an article up calling him a liar. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Even the daily heil have let piers morgan put an article up calling him a liar. 

These really are strange days.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The news today is reporting that several migrant boats have been intercepted in the English Channel by UKBA and 65 men and women transferred to a migrant processing centre in Dover. 

 

Apparently, the French immigration folks began to track these migrant boats almost instantly after they left French land but made no effort to intercept them and just let them cross into British waters. 

 

I'm speculating a bit, but it makes you wonder if the French would have behaved in the same way if we were still in the EU? Have they decided to effectively say "fuck it, let them get on with it themselves, that's what they wanted!" 

[Bjornebye]

Farage posted a video on twitter yesterday of him kicking off about French boats guiding a migrant vessel into British waters. I'd like to have seen the migrants jump on his boat and rip his racist body into small pieces. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Shouldn't Nige be out fulfilling his patriotic duty and picking some fruit? 

[Anubis]

More likely to crash land a light aircraft in a field of fruit.

[Mudface]

Well, this is a surprise... Good to see we're taking back control of immigration.

 

Immigration to UK from non-EU countries hit 45-year high in 2019, ONS says
The number of people moving to the UK long term from non-EU countries has hit a new record high, according to the latest estimates. As PA Media reports, last year immigration from non-EU countries rose to 404,000, the highest it has ever been since records began in 1975 when it was 93,000, data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows.

Net migration from outside the EU, the balance between the number of people entering and leaving the country, is also at its highest level (282,000) since citizenship information was first collected in 1975 (40,000). Both figures have continued to rise since 2013.

Meanwhile, EU net migration fell to 49,000, down from 75,000 recorded a year earlier and after hitting peaks of more than 200,000 in 2015.

[Gnasher]

For those on here concerned about our poor little farmers unable to fill vacancies because of our exit from the eu, Dominic Cummings father is one of them land owning farmers who allegedly received massive eu aid.  

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/dominic-cummings-owns-farm-got-eu-subsidy

 

Capitalists help capitalists, it's what they do.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

33 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

For those on here concerned about our poor little farmers unable to fill vacancies because of our exit from the eu, Dominic Cummings father is one of them land owning farmers who allegedly received massive eu aid.  

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/dominic-cummings-owns-farm-got-eu-subsidy

 

Capitalists help capitalists, it's what they do.

And leaving the EU alleviates this situation, because...?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

For those on here concerned about our poor little farmers unable to fill vacancies because of our exit from the eu, Dominic Cummings father is one of them land owning farmers who allegedly received massive eu aid.  

 

Who?

[Bobby Hundreds]

Didn't Iain Duncan Smith receive huge EU money for land that wasn't even used as farming land. Paul Dacre the daily mail editor in cunt at the time of the EU vote claimed over half a million quid in EU subsidies for a shooting range he owned. That's something that needs to stop tax payers money being divvied out by Mps and MEPs amongst each other like a mob racket. A lot of farming subsidies can only be claimed by owners of huge sums of land so smaller farms get fucked over. Politics is so corrupt it needs completely reforming with absolute transparency at the very front.

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Didn't Iain Duncan Smith receive huge EU money for land that wasn't even used as farming land. Paul Dacre the daily mail editor in cunt at the time of the EU vote claimed over half a million quid in EU subsidies for a shooting range he owned. That's something that needs to stop tax payers money being divvied out by Mps and MEPs amongst each other like a mob racket. A lot of farming subsidies can only be claimed by owners of huge sums of land so smaller farms get fucked over. Politics is so corrupt it needs completely reforming with absolute transparency at the very front.

Yep.  Corrupt as sin but If it's the eu dishing out money to the super wealthy its generally overlooked.

[Bobby Hundreds]

48 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yep.  Corrupt as sin but If it's the eu dishing out money to the super wealthy its generally overlooked.

The corruption is those claiming it, when they know that's not what it's intended for. IDS is in public office and Dacre has spent years vilifying anybody who claims benefits.

[Chairman Meow]

29 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The corruption is those claiming it, when they know that's not what it's intended for. IDS is in public office and Dacre has spent years vilifying anybody poor people who claim benefits.

Fixed

[Gnasher]

57 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The corruption is those claiming it, when they know that's not what it's intended for. IDS is in public office and Dacre has spent years vilifying anybody who claims benefits.

Are you fucking serious l?  Are you seriously trying to whitewash the eu involvement in this fucking fraud? 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Are you fucking serious l?  Are you seriously trying to whitewash the eu involvement in this fucking fraud? 

I for one am glad unelected shysters will no longer be running this country and implementing policies that directly lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of our citizens.  We’ll be much better off on our own as those dumb fuckers in Europe won’t be able to handle it and will probably need us to help them out again. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The corruption is those claiming it, when they know that's not what it's intended for. IDS is in public office and Dacre has spent years vilifying anybody who claims benefits.

I understand after a lot of online bullying most anti eu posters have decided to call it a day on this forum but please dont piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidies-central-eastern-europe-hungary-viktor-orban-populist-oligarch-a9183911.html

 

If anyone wants to discuss the above link crack on.

[skend04]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Are you fucking serious l?  Are you seriously trying to whitewash the eu involvement in this fucking fraud? 

"YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"

 

Fucking John McEnroe over here. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I for one am glad unelected shysters will no longer be running this country and implementing policies that directly lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of our citizens.  We’ll be much better off on our own as those dumb fuckers in Europe won’t be able to handle it and will probably need us to help them out again. 

Ridiculous post  I take it you talking about Cummings but we can be against two wrongs at the same time, it's really not one or the other 

[Bobby Hundreds]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Are you fucking serious l?  Are you seriously trying to whitewash the eu involvement in this fucking fraud? 

Who is whitewashing anything. Wealthy people claiming benefits for reasons they were not intended for, doing it knowingly while attacking those who claim benefits for genuine reasons are what I think is corrupt. Channel 5 spends half it's air time on poor people claiming money, fuck all about decision makers doing it or people who set the narrative about leeches on society. I never commented on the EU I commented on the hypocracy.