Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

[Scott_M]

Leeds with the money for Phillips now?

 

[Scott_M]

1 minute ago, Pidge said:

Morton isn't with the training squad, I think. Doubt he's going to be here next season. Surely we're looking at another loan, if not a sale.

Foot injury apparently.

 

Although he’s been linked with Southampton virtually as soon as his loan ended. 

[TheSire]

44 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

 

Free? Cheeky bastards.

[sir roger]

1 minute ago, TheSire said:

Free? Cheeky bastards.

Anybody reading this forum would think they have overvalued him.

[CapeRed]

34 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I'm not the negotiator hired to do that specific job for this summer. I could tell you how to negotiate a technology deal though if it's helpful!

 

I think we should have been buying one more before Henderson and fab decided to leave. So my gut feel is we need 3 when they go, but it also depends a little on the defensive players we bring in. Or maybe you even bring an attacking player in and use gakpo as an 8, which is a role i actually think he could do well. 

 

The fact there isn't massive activity is irrelevant. It hasn't stopped us buying 2 players. Or other teams buying players. If you go "well there's no activity, so best we don't buy", well you'll end up with nobody or like Everton or spurs on deadline day scooping up whatever shit is left in the market. The key is have multiple solutions to each problem and go and see which ones you can get done.  

 

The season starts in 3 and a half weeks. It seem inevitable Henderson and fabinho are leaving, we have no time to waste. 

Fair enough I feel we definitely need 2 mf and a defender. I do think that Klopp had planned on having Fabinho and Hendo available  , bringing in one more mfielder with Jones and Bajcetic to kick on. That has all been thrown on its head.

[CapeRed]

36 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

To be fair mate we knew those two would be out of the door sooner rather than later anyway, if not now definitely next summer, so we should just go and get their replacements.

Of course we did yeah but not many specialist 6’s around. 

[diamondjoe]

Dragging on a bit this shit. 

Get it done. 

[BeefStroganoff]

35 minutes ago, Razoray said:

 

 

I think that should be sufficient to challenge, if the four signings are successful and we don't have a major injury crisis anywhere. The age profile of the squad will have been greatly reduced and only minor surgery would be required for the next number of years, barring a massive exodus to Saudi. 

Again its hedging your bets.

 

I think a lot of you are underestimating the demands on the team in the Europa League. Its a bloody slog fest and a drain on resources until the very late rounds. That second XI will be dumped on its arse in the Europa, and lets be honest thats the type of team, maybe even worse with more kids, that Jurgen will field in that comp.

 

We are an elite team. We should have the resources to fill the bench with a level of quality that we need, not relying on Lady Luck for injuries with a manager who demands more from his players than practically any coach in the league.

[Scott_M]

 

[Barrington Womble]

44 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

Fair enough I feel we definitely need 2 mf and a defender. I do think that Klopp had planned on having Fabinho and Hendo available  , bringing in one more mfielder with Jones and Bajcetic to kick on. That has all been thrown on its head.

 

I can't believe these lads leaving does throw it on its head. We've been too compliant with the buying clubs, well certainly for fab, but even Henderson it's because his club are being tits, we're not asking the earth for our captain with 2 years left on his deal, we've made it clear he can do one.

 

Sure I get the idea if klopp had been drawing up a line up for Chelsea 2 or 3 weeks ago he might have had one or even both of them in there, but we've almost snapped the hands off to let these guys out. We have a plan imo - and I'm sure klopp was prepared with several plans in case of this eventuality. It won't be ideal for the first quarter to half of the season, but I reckon in the long run, this is the best outcome - providing of course the owners back klopp up with the cash. 

[Trojan1892]

Should be all over Kimmich, Chelsea have had a bid of £70m turned down for Caicedo so they won’t go that much higher, don’t know why we just don’t go over the top and throw £80m at them for him.

[No2]

3 minutes ago, Trojan1892 said:

Should be all over Kimmich, Chelsea have had a bid of £70m turned down for Caicedo so they won’t go that much higher, don’t know why we just don’t go over the top and throw £80m at them for him.

Chelsea are the worst buyers in the league, Brighton are the best sellers, it will go all the way to Brightons number. Hopefully for us it drags out until closer to deadline day and he doesn't play against us.

[CapeRed]

15 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I can't believe these lads leaving does throw it on its head. We've been too compliant with the buying clubs, well certainly for fab, but even Henderson it's because his club are being tits, we're not asking the earth for our captain with 2 years left on his deal, we've made it clear he can do one.

 

Sure I get the idea if klopp had been drawing up a line up for Chelsea 2 or 3 weeks ago he might have had one or even both of them in there, but we've almost snapped the hands off to let these guys out. We have a plan imo - and I'm sure klopp was prepared with several plans in case of this eventuality. It won't be ideal for the first quarter to half of the season, but I reckon in the long run, this is the best outcome - providing of course the owners back klopp up with the cash. 

I disagree, I really don’t think the club saw this coming ( bids from Saudi) and whilst Fabinho accepting could have been envisaged I think they didn’t see the club captain being open to it and it has throw them into a bit of a turmoil . It’s up to them to deal with it now.

[Bobby Hundreds]

In future I think every club is going to have to plan for older players with short contracts looking for the oil royals big bucks. Salah and VVD next season will gather interest.

[Manny]

Kimmich would be great, he's exactly the right profile in terms of his defensive attributes (interceptions and tackles) but also from his progressive passing etc. He's also 5'10 and pretty robust, with a reasonable injury history (he generally only misses about 10% of Bayern's games and mostly they seem to be games he's rested for rather than misses).

 

Can't see it happening though:

• He's got 2 years left on his contract so he won't be cheap even if they want to sell
• He's 29 in February so only ~18 months younger than Fabinho (who's 30 in October)
• He's on around £320k p/w at Bayern

We'd be looking at shelling out over £30m a season on a 28 year old taking into account wages and likely fee; I can't see us signing off on that.

 

[Jordy Brouwer]

3 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Hasn't jones been playing a 6 type role for England. Could we have him and Trent as a double pivot with Mac Allister and Szoboszlai the other two box midfielders then its just a case of who your front 3 are. We would really need a left sided CB though. 

 

The squad seems really unbalanced.

 

I would't have Jones as a 6, no. 

[Dave D]

36 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I can't believe these lads leaving does throw it on its head. We've been too compliant with the buying clubs, well certainly for fab, but even Henderson it's because his club are being tits, we're not asking the earth for our captain with 2 years left on his deal, we've made it clear he can do one.

 

Sure I get the idea if klopp had been drawing up a line up for Chelsea 2 or 3 weeks ago he might have had one or even both of them in there, but we've almost snapped the hands off to let these guys out. We have a plan imo - and I'm sure klopp was prepared with several plans in case of this eventuality. It won't be ideal for the first quarter to half of the season, but I reckon in the long run, this is the best outcome - providing of course the owners back klopp up with the cash. 

 

Ideally we wouldnt be writing off half a season, long term or short term plans  

[El Dangerous]

I’d say it’s more likely Chelsea sign him on those sort of wages which could be great if we harbour any desire to sign Caicedo.

[Harry Squatter]

 

 

These never ending loans for the likes of this fella, Williams and Van Den Berg are a complete waste of everyone's time. There's literally no point in keeping any of them as they'll never make it here. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Oh, this is quickly moving into 'running saga' stage and looks to have enough legs to keep cunts calling each other cunts all summer.

 

Excellent news...

 

 

[3 Stacks]

Kimmich is either being put on the market because he's physically shot, or he is still spry, in which case if he's leaving Bayern, he's signing for City or Barca.

[Dave D]

33 minutes ago, Harry Squatter said:

 

 

These never ending loans for the likes of this fella, Williams and Van Den Berg are a complete waste of everyone's time. There's literally no point in keeping any of them as they'll never make it here. 

 

I wouldnt mind going on loan to Andorra....

 

[Barrington Womble]

58 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

I disagree, I really don’t think the club saw this coming ( bids from Saudi) and whilst Fabinho accepting could have been envisaged I think they didn’t see the club captain being open to it and it has throw them into a bit of a turmoil . It’s up to them to deal with it now.

 

For a club that is owned by money men, and run based on value everywhere, it would be amazing if they thought money wouldn't turn players heads and make them want to leave. Money talks and money people know that more than anyone. And surely when Saudi started chucking money around everywhere when the summer started, they had to be braced for something? If they weren't ready for that, it's an absolutely massive failure. 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Dave D said:

 

Ideally we wouldnt be writing off half a season, long term or short term plans  

 

I'm not writing it off. I'm saying it won't be ideal. It can't be denied if these players leave, it will be harder in the short term. We could start the season with 3 players in midfield who've never played for Liverpool before. There's every chance if fab and Henderson had stayed, one or both would have started the season and some of the new guys could be eased in. 

[FrenchEyeGlass]

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Minutes / games of those players last season…

 

Fabinho - 3538 / 39

Hendo - 2553 / 28

Phillips - 233 / 3

Firmino - 1720 / 19

Keita - 485 / 5

Ox - 497 / 6

Milner - 1277 / 14

Carvalho - 645 / 7

Ramsey - 94 / 1

Williams - 0 / 0

VDB - 0 / 0

 

Firmino is a loss. We already signed his replacement in Gakpo (Gakpo actually played more minutes that Firmino last season). 
 

Diaz and Jota are also fit again. Doak and Gordon will likely get more minutes this season. 
 

Fabinho, Milner and Hendo will be a loss. We already have Mac Allister & Szoboszlai. Jones and Bajectic showed their worth last season. Noises from all sides are we’ll sign at least one more midfielder, which we absolutely need. I’m happy for Clarke, Morton etc to be assessed as squad members over the next few weeks (that sentence will get some of masochists inverted barbwire thongs in a twist!).
 

Phillips, Williams, VDB & Ramsey are no loss and noises from all sides are we’ll

sign at least one more defender. Personally I happy for Bradley and Quansah to be assessed in pre-season before taking next steps. 

I do get the nervousness around what we still have to do. There has been no messages from Joyce / Bascombe that were finished in the market. The absolute opposite.

 

 

I love it when this argument is bandied about because my immediate question is, how did we fare last season?

 

That's the exact point. We have had a shite squad for years. The whole point of a 'rebuild' is that you ship the shite eating up your wage bill and replace them with players who actually contribute towards you winning trophies. I'm not hoping the club buys another Naby Keita so I don't know why people keep mentioning his minutes.

 

Phillips, Williams, VDB not being a loss is also very reductive, they aren't a loss if VVD and Konate are completely injury free all season. Konate loves an injury and VVD is aging. I agree that those players aren't the ones that would be our saviors in that scenario, but the whole point is that you buy players who can be.

 

Ramsay isn't a loss until Trent picks up an injury for 12 games. Then who is at right back? And why exactly did we spend 10m on him last season given we are always bitching and moaning about being so broke?

 

It's not about the players that have been shipped out, it's the (lack of) active work we have done to rebuild the squad in parallel. We've been caught on the hop with Fab and Hendo, and this is exactly why you get your players in early, so you have the bandwidth to react to stuff like this. But we continue to be either supremely arrogant and/or inept when it comes to squad planning.

 

We now need to bring in two midfielders (one nailed on starter) and a LCB as a bare minimum. Three players to buy and just over three weeks until our first game, good fucking luck with that Liverpool FC.

[etho]

Last time I checked it seemed most clubs in Europe still have most of their business to do. Almost like the market might pick up at some stage. We also weren't planning for Fabinho and Henderson's exits so we're going to have to react to it rather than be front foot. Not disappointed with what we've done so far, with the caveat that we do see the additional recruits needed