Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[aRdja]

10 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47779783

 

Hundreds of current Labour MPs voted for Common Market 2.0?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47779783

 

Hundreds of current Labour MPs voted for Common Market 2.0?

It’s lies mate. She is a liar. Also forgetting the 21 whips the Tories jibbed for disagreeing with a racist buffoon. 

[Dr Nowt]

Sounds legit. She’s an unimpeachable source and the deal being suggested is definitely one you’d need to be a commie maniac to knock back.

[sir roger]

Can't see it being true as Corbyn doesn't really work like that , although with this roll call of horror I have my fingers crossed.

[Bjornebye]

19 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Sounds legit. She’s an unimpeachable source and the deal being suggested is definitely one you’d need to be a commie maniac to knock back.

If I wasn't on a weeks Twitter ban for calling a Tory MP a lying cunt I'd be straight on there now calling her a lying cunt. 

[sir roger]

Didn't know much about Dorries other than the I'm a Celebrity kerfuffle , but her Wiki is hair-raising.

 

The fact that she has been given a government position should be amazing but sadly is nothing out of the ordinary at the moment.

[aRdja]

49 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

 

I’ll raise you....

 

 

[sir roger]

Is O-Patz one of those hippity-hoppity singers that Paul likes ?

[Bjornebye]

15 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Is O-Patz one of those hippity-hoppity singers that Paul likes ?

2 of Westminsterz Most Wanted 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The CBI appear to have costed some random thing they'd pulled out of their arses when reaching their £200bn prediction, rather than costing Labour's actual proposed policy. 

 

They've admitted to this now. But, the incorrect £200bn figure is what will remain in people's heads. 

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The CBI appear to have costed some random thing they'd pulled out of their arses when reaching their £200bn prediction, rather than costing Labour's actual proposed policy. 

 

They've admitted to this now. But, the incorrect £200bn figure is what will remain in people's heads. 

Mission achieved then. 

 

It's at times like this that Corbyn's refusal to dance to the press's tune comes back to bite him though. Blair would have had Campbell rampaging through the airwaves with instant rebuttals.

[Jairzinho]

32 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Mission achieved then. 

 

It's at times like this that Corbyn's refusal to dance to the press's tune comes back to bite him though. Blair would have had Campbell rampaging through the airwaves with instant rebuttals.

Yes. Or rather, he has to do something. Ignoring them won't make their influence fuck off, not quickly enough anyway.

 

A Campbell figure on the BBC and Sky every 20 minutes could deal with this. As could regularly going on every single "non mainstream" media source and explaining how and why certain organisations act as they do, and how the coverage from the BBC et al doesn't scrutinise them (because they represent the same interests).

 

What you can't do is nothing.

 

Every time one of those cunts on the BBC or Sky News lies or deliberately misleads the public I would be pointing out they used to be in the Tory party, or in the case of Sky News that the station is owned by a tax dodging billionaire. Make it absolutely fucking clear for even the biggest imbecile in the country why our cunt media acts as it does.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

37 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Mission achieved then. 

 

It's at times like this that Corbyn's refusal to dance to the press's tune comes back to bite him though. Blair would have had Campbell rampaging through the airwaves with instant rebuttals.

Blair's dancing didn't come free. The price for Murdoch's support included maintaining unfair taxes and Thatcherite trade union laws and the attack on Iraq.

 

Jairz is right: Labour need to be quicker and louder in their denunciation of agenda-driven bullshit and lies. (Witness the fact that the best defence of Labour’s policies came from We Own It, not from the Labour Party.)

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Blair's dancing didn't come free. The price for Murdoch's support included maintaining unfair taxes and Thatcherite trade union laws and the attack on Iraq.

 

Jairz is right: Labour need to be quicker and louder in their denunciation of agenda-driven bullshit and lies. (Witness the fact that the best defence of Labour’s policies came from We Own It, not from the Labour Party.)

Yep- Corbyn needs to tread the middle ground between Blair's obeisance to the press, and his own 'fuck you' to them (a Third Way...). He doesn't need to kowtow to the Murdoch cunts and the likes of the Mail and Express, he does need a more pro-active policy to get his message out there though. It worked well during the election in 2017 when the BBC etc had to give him equivalent coverage, but it would be good to see on a more constant basis.

[Anubis]

10 hours ago, sir roger said:

Didn't know much about Dorries other than the I'm a Celebrity kerfuffle , but her Wiki is hair-raising.

 

You only need to know her nickname is Mad Nad. Says it all.

[Barrington Womble]

On 14/10/2019 at 22:52, sir roger said:

Don't get the hating of Diane Abbott at all , it appears that getting a figure wrong on live radio while ignoring your diabetes medication through overwork is far more important than being proved right over Iraq , id cards and being a tireless proponent of pro-abortion choice and opponent of the racist ' Windrush ' Tory environment. One thing is for certain , she is worth 10 of Priti Patel.

 

Labour is the only party that has a sizeable split between Leavers and Remainers so has to have a more nuanced stance , but Corbyn is suggesting that he will not favour any side in a Labour Brexit referendum & I would expect MP's and members to be allowed to push their own preference but do not think there will be an official Labour position.

 

Surely you read or hear the news that Johnson's orcs are searching for any way of subverting the Benn bill , so how stupid would the opposition parties be to agree to an election in short order and then find out it would be fought after Johnson had already wangled us out on a no-Deal wheeze.

 

It may not work , but paragraph 2 outlines Labour's effort to avoid your election worry.

 

If you look at the policies of the various parties and feel somebody deserves your vote more than Labour , that is your choice and good luck with it , but the stuff you outlined is pretty weak stuff in my opinion.

 

( I am not getting into the a/s shite as it annoys me that much )

Come on Sir Rog, she was a comic figure way before getting that figure wrong. I don't think she could be taken seriously as a home secretary. Patel is a massive cunt, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't see the weaknesses within the shadow cabinet. 

[Barrington Womble]

10 hours ago, viRdjil said:

I’ll raise you....

 

 

Will the Tories have anyone left? 

[Sugar Ape]

Pretty grim reading this Twitter thread. 
 

 

[sir roger]

Can't see him standing down with an election due anytime , although there are rumours of a bit of a coup from remainers including of all people John McDonnell being pointed at over Karie Murphy being moved to Head Office from the LOTO.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Ellman has jumped before she was pushed. 

 

Another cowardly shitehawk elected on the back of Labour who won't call for a by-election. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

45 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Ellman has jumped before she was pushed. 

 

Another cowardly shitehawk elected on the back of Labour who won't call for a by-election. 

How dare you!

 

I'll have you know she's taking a principled stand against anti-Semitism!

[torahboy]

50 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Ellman has jumped before she was pushed. 

 

Another cowardly shitehawk elected on the back of Labour who won't call for a by-election. 

She's playing the anti Semitism card now. The fact that she was a right wing Blairite, more concerned with Tel Aviv than Toxteth, seems to have slipped under the media's radar. Her timing for this is designed to resurrect the anti Semitism bullshit in the run up to a possible/probable eneral election campaign. Hideous old  dybbuk deserves whatever shit gets shoved through her letter box. She could and should have fucked off at the height of the BoD's feeding frenzy last year. Utter cunt.

[sir roger]

No mention at all in the MSM that she had lost a confidence motion and had trigger meetings lined up with no real chance of avoiding having to appeal to local members she lied against to have the local party placed into special measures to save her own skin. No it's all a principled stand against anti-Semitism.

[Creator Supreme]

The usual suspects have been wheeled out supporting her on twatter, Harman, Smeeth, and little Timmy Farron. Timmy says Labour are finished as a force if there's no place for her in the party!

 

What if she were gay though Tim? How would you feel then? Tim? Tim?

 

She's a joke, one of the many reasons I'm now a green party voter and member!

[Lee909]

As much as I like what Corbyn stands for politically he has been fucking useless at attacking these bastards. You can't just let them off the hook by taking all the shit the media push and not pushing back against the anti semitism crap. 

 

Labour should be sitting nicely ahead in any polls and looking like a landslide victory come the next election. But they won't win and we will get another 5 years of these cunts because there seems more stabbing and so little fucking fight at the top.